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 Post subject: Re: Sign Myles Garrett
PostPosted: Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:02 pm 
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Racial slur or not, does not justify his actions. Is that what the player mentality is coming to now? You can attack any player and just claim "RACIAL SLUR"??

Kyle Long did the same thing in training camp this year and everyone thought it was funny.


I do not recall anything about Kyle Long and a racial slur, but for obvious double standard reasons, it would be thought of as funny.

No, Long ripped out a player's helmet and threw it at him. Then he ran into a corner and puked.


He swung a helmet at a rookie and got into a pushing match with Hicks.


I do not understand how any of this has to do with Garrett accusing Rudolph of a racial slur.


It doesn't

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 Post subject: Re: Sign Myles Garrett
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I'm saying what Garrett did isn't that bad. He should NOT have never been suspended for the year.


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 Post subject: Re: Sign Myles Garrett
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If Rudolph had actually said anything there would've been word from other players on the field.

Still, I like Garrett's attitude. I like that he's a wild dog on the field. I hate quarterbacks, too.


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 Post subject: Re: Sign Myles Garrett
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I'm saying what Garrett did isn't that bad. He should NOT have never been suspended for the year.


I guess attacking your own teammate is treated differently than attacking a player on a different team. You would think the NFL would leave it up to the team to discipline a fight that happens in house at training camp.


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 Post subject: Re: Sign Myles Garrett
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Frank Coztansa wrote:
They did. Months ago.

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Steelers quarterback Mason Rudolph said Sunday that Myles Garrett's claim that he used a slur toward him is "totally untrue."

It was reported Thursday that Garrett alleged during his appeal hearing that Rudolph used a slur just prior to the fight at the end of the Browns' Week 10 win over the Steelers.

"It's totally untrue," Rudolph told reporters after Pittsburgh's 16-10 win over the Bengals, a game in which he was benched in the second half. "I couldn't believe it and I couldn't believe that he would go that route after the fact. It is what it is I think I've moved on. One day it was tough, but moved on. We're good to go now."

The NFL issued a statement Thursday that it found no evidence to support the allegations against Rudolph, but Garrett later issued a statement in which he said "I know what I heard."

When asked if there was any room for interpretation to what he could have said to Garrett, Rudolph said "absolutely not. There was nothing. Not even close."


So the lifting of the suspension didn't change anything then.

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 Post subject: Re: Sign Myles Garrett
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I don't know. He was suspended 6 games. I think that is about right. Garret does something like this again, it should be a 16 game suspension.

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Frank Coztansa wrote:
Garret does something like this again, it should be a 16 game suspension.


If he does it again, he should be arrested.

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Rudolph should sue this dumbfuck for defamation and assault.

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 Post subject: Re: Sign Myles Garrett
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Rudolph should sue this dumbfuck for defamation and assault.

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 Post subject: Re: Sign Myles Garrett
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lol, the mensa candidates trying to play Message Board - DiCaro law, cute. Do you even know what defamation is?


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 Post subject: Re: Sign Myles Garrett
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lol, the mensa candidates trying to play Message Board - DiCaro law, cute. Do you even know what defamation is?


You clearly don’t.

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 Post subject: Re: Sign Myles Garrett
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lol, the mensa candidates trying to play Message Board - DiCaro law, cute. Do you even know what defamation is?


You clearly don’t.


What would the world do without Google? :lol: :lol:

Defamation is the oral or written communication of a false statement about another that unjustly harms their reputation


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 Post subject: Re: Sign Myles Garrett
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Rudolph should sue this dumbfuck for defamation and assault.

Looks like he's thinking about it. According to Pro Football talk:

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In a world filled with #fakenews and social-media rumor mongering, it’s still a no-no to tell lies about someone in a manner that harms their reputation.

For that reason, Browns defensive end Myles Garrett may end up on the wrong side of the “v” in a lawsuit filed by Steelers quarterback Mason Rudolph.

Rudolph’s agents and lawyer, Timothy Younger, has published a statement on Twitter that makes clear the possibility that Rudolph will be suing Garrett for defamation of character, based on the allegation that Rudolph used a racial slur before Garrett attacked Rudolph with his own helmet.

“Mr. Garrett maliciously uses this false allegation to coax sympathy, hoping to be excused for what clearly is inexcusable behavior,” Younger writes. “Despite other players and the referee being in the immediate vicinity, there are zero corroborating witnesses — as confirmed by the NFL. Although Mr. Rudolph had hoped to move forward, it is Mr. Garrett who has decided to utter this defamatory statement — in California. He is now exposed to legal liability.”

The reference to California isn’t gratuitous or accidental. The civil courts in California are regarded as being more favorable to the rights of those who make claims, both as to the juries who resolve the cases, the trial judges who hear them, and the appeals courts that craft the applicable legal principles.

Younger’s statement also mentions that Garrett’s attack on Rudolph constitutes battery. (Not assault.) A lawsuit could, in theory, include a battery claim, which would guarantee that the same jury that hears about the alleged racial slur will see the striking of Rudolph on the head with his own helmet, repeatedly. Which will tend to inflate the eventual verdict.

One thing for Younger to consider will be whether suing Garrett in civil court for battery (or assault) would give Garrett’s lawyers a basis for pulling the case into the broad reach of the NFL/NFLPA labor deal, which possibly prohibits players from suing each other for things that happen on the gridiron, forcing them instead to submit any grievances through a non-judicial process that would involve no judge, no jury, no California.

Garrett will have no such luck when it comes to a statement made in the offseason, far away from any football function or facility. He definitely is exposed to legal liability for what he said about Rudolph, unless Garrett can prove that what he said is true.

Of course, because Rudolph is a public figure, he’ll need to prove that Garrett acted with actual malice. And it will take more than Younger using the term “maliciously” in his statement. Under the law, “actual malice” arises in the defamation context when the person utter a false statement with actual knowledge that the statement is false or with reckless disregard to whether or not the statement is true or false.

The argument would (or at least could) be that Garrett made the public claim that Rudolph uttered a racial slur knowing that Rudolph previously had denied it and knowing that the NFL, which has microphones blanketing the field, had no evidence of it. Even if Garrett subjectively believes he heard it, at some point he needs to consider the broader evidence and ask himself whether he simply believes he heard something that wasn’t said.

Of course, it’s too late for that kind of backtracking now. Both sides are locked in to their stories, and this one ultimately could be decided, two or three years from now, by a group of people who will see the video of the battery (assault), hear the witnesses tell their stories about racial slurs that were or weren’t uttered, and decide whether Garrett violated Rudolph’s rights, as created and developed by the State of California.

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