A lot of workers other than the players rely on NBA games for their paychecks

Of course, but the potential of layoffs, which may have happened anyways, is far different than shutting down schools.

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Mark Cuban is taking care of his people. I don't expect cheap ass Jerry to do the same.

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Once again, that is not open to debate. It is agreed upon. What is not agreed upon is your claim that there is little downside to shutting down a billion dollar industry, that people will not go hungry. You only thought about players and owners. That's as far as you thought when you said that. The reaches of the game go further than the players. It goes as far as the people that work in the stadium, selling concessions. Working the gate. Cleaning after the crowd leaves. The bars in the area. Not just the owners. The people serving and cleaning and supplying those places too. The parking lot workers. There will be businesses lost if this lasts longer than a few weeks. There will be jobs lost. People will be hungry. Closing down nba, NFL, mlb ect ect is not done with "very little downside". You didn't think that through which was the only point in my reply.

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I mean, if we really want to shift the discussion here to the potential layoffs here we can.

They probably would happen with lowered attendance anyways, and a global recession would further continue it and if hospitals are overrun with people then it likely extends far longer than a situation where things are shut down for a few weeks and then things start to return back to normal. Also, many of these employees in the short term will still be paid and others will get unemployment insurance.

Compare that to what happens when school is closed on Monday and people who eat free at school for free aren't given that food and they have no one to watch them as their parents are still working.

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It seems to me we are canceling things and cocooning in order to protect vulnerable people in our society. Great. But in doing so we are obviously going to harm other, different vulnerable members of our society.

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Of course we are. It's unreal that so many people are jumping onto this groupthink shit.

But like I said yesterday, it is sort of interesting to watch a widespread case of mass hysteria happening in real time. Generally I've only read about shit like that on Wikipedia.

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Thank you for pointing out that companies have employees.

Now, let's get back to the point that many students rely on schools to provide them meals and it is a big problem to shut down schools because of that whereas pro sports venues do not provide meals to anyone free of charge.

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For what could be the third time I'll say I agree shutting down schools is a hard choice and ultimately may be necessary. For what could be the fourth time I'll say that sports venues do indeed provide meals to people via employment.

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What's the difference? Either way you're talking about children going hungry

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He never thought beyond players and owners. Everything hes saying since then is trying to cover that up instead of saying shit man yeah maybe there are repercussions for shutting down three or 4 multi billion dollar industries.

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There are many differences. The first is in terms of scope. A 3 or 4 week disruption in income will likely not force kids to go without food. If anything, unemployment insurance would likely fill that need if the employer does in fact lay them off instead of providing some amount of compensation. Also, I think it's a little bit of a leap of logic to think that a 3 week disruption in income would end the concept of lunch for a child but even if it did, they would likely already be getting a free lunch at school. So, that actually is a reason why keeping schools open would be more important!

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Do you believe that your employer provides you a house?

I think your response here is quite telling. I don't view compensation for labor as a charity case where whoever has chosen to hire me for my services is providing me my meals as compared to a school that provides meals to students regardless of any benefit to themselves.

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So you think paycheck to paycheck living isn't real, or that United Center stadium workers don't fit in that category. Interesting.

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Its not just JERRY??

Its beat writers, journalists, people who work in the TV trucks, camera operators, team employees like equipment guys, locker room attendants, bus drivers, scorers, etc etc.

Shutting down these leagues affects MANY who work directly for and indirectly for each sport.

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It's a wide range. I am sure that many United Center workers have very little in savings. However, they may be paid for a short term stoppage like that, or they may get unemployment.

As I said though, if they are living paycheck to paycheck like that, their children are likely receiving free school lunch so it's kind of a moot point.

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It's not a moot point at all, unless it's ok for the children to only eat 5 meals a week and ok for their parents to starve.

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Also, if we shut down the schools kids are going to go hungry seems like a pretty terrible argument considering schools shut down for 3-4 months out of the year anyway.

If we are banning crowds of more than 250 the schools should have been some of the first places to close.

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At first I wasnt going to respond to this nonsense post but I really don't want you to think my silence on it was acknowledging some kind of gotcha. Your question is another silly straw man construction. If you want to debate what I'm posting about, stop talking about school lunches. Not once have I said a word about the problem with shutting down schools. My only problem with what you're saying, again, is that you are wrong about how you can shut down over 30 billion dollars worth of industry with "very little downside".

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Followed immediately by churches, and chain restaurants like Cheesecake Factory which I'm sure serves more that 250 at a time on a busy weekend, or large bars like Pinstripes. I don't think the governor thought thru what hes really saying. When he threatens to use force to shut down peaceful gatherings, that's a whole different animal. Shutting down town halls during a huge election cycle? Think hes gonna send in the police to break up a political rally? Should he? What longterm ramifications could that precident set?

The point of this thread, again, is to ask where you are on potential abuses of emergency powers. Is this an abuse of emergency powers? Does this threat call for invoking emergency powers and if so what should those limitations be?

I'm of the opinion that this could be reasonably be construed as an abuse of power. It was set in motion by similar abuses of power by Bush with the ridiculous Patriot Act. This is, in my opinion, another step in the desensitization of the american public to grave abuses and irresponsible suspension of rights.

What could the next logical steps be? If this does not stem the tide of infection, what could the next step be?

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You complain about straw men arguments and then say this? Just stop.

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Wow. That was a fail. I expect better. C'mon man.

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Post the quote where I said that you can shut down over 30 billion dollars worth of industry with "very little downside".

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You said the NBA, which is about an 8 billion dollar industry, but with NHL, MLB, doing the same right now, we're talking close to 25 billion of revenues, that doesn't include associated revenues like the local markets around arenas, travel, hospitality... or the ad revenue of the networks, and it doesn't include the nfl should they follow suit, which if this isn't stemmed in a few short months could also be affected.

Unless these seasons are just started up again in a few weeks. Do you think the risks will be over by then?

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Obviously designed to help Biden. Both Bernie and Trump draw well more than 250 to their rallies.

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I was referring to the expected short term shut downs that should be done within a month. I've referenced this many times about how the unemployment would be short lived. So yes, what you did was a straw man.

The risk of hospitals being overrun and unable to treat sick patients will likely be over by the middle of April.

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Yeah, but the people that attend Biden rallies actually vote too.

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We really dont know that this will be over by april. Something tells me we haven't even seen the beginning of this infection. We've got what a couple tens of thousands of cases? CDC seems to believe half of the nation will get it at minimum. Some believe that summer will slow the infection rate, but will see a resurgence in fall or early winter similar to 1918. Should that be the case, we'll have to go through this again right when those seasons are ramping back up.

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The initial shutdown is designed to slow down the initial spike that would overwhelm hospitals and force them to turn away patients with Coronavirus and with other medical issues that would otherwise require hospitalization. It's impossible to give an exact date on that but it won't be a long term issue.

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