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You can tell this is bullshit when crowds of more than 250 are banned, but schools shall remain open.
Schools at least for now are staying open because schools are more important than an NBA game.

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The argument was never about the "importance" of the NBA vs. school. It was about the logic of closing one vs. not closing another. If you are banning all gathering of more than 250 people keeping the schools open seems like a poor choice. To prove it was a poor choice they chose to close them the next day.

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You can tell this is bullshit when crowds of more than 250 are banned, but schools shall remain open.
Schools at least for now are staying open because schools are more important than an NBA game.
Doesn't this kind of make it sound like the logic is that NBA games were canceled because they're not as important as schools being open? That's absurd, right?

The importance of open schools had nothing to do with the decision to cancel NBA games. NBA games were canceled, first voluntarily by the league that puts them on, then effectively by government decree, to help stop the spread of the virus among large congregations of people.

Seems like the argument BRick should be making is that keeping schools open is more important than helping to stop the virus spread because....why?


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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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You can tell this is bullshit when crowds of more than 250 are banned, but schools shall remain open.
Schools at least for now are staying open because schools are more important than an NBA game.
Doesn't this kind of make it sound like the logic is that NBA games were canceled because they're not as important as schools being open? That's absurd, right?

The importance of open schools had nothing to do with the decision to cancel NBA games. NBA games were canceled, first voluntarily by the league that puts them on, then effectively by government decree, to help stop the spread of the virus among large congregations of people.

Seems like the argument BRick should be making is that keeping schools open is more important than helping to stop the virus spread because....why?


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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Doesn't this kind of make it sound like the logic is that NBA games were canceled because they're not as important as schools being open? That's absurd, right?
No.

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The importance of open schools had nothing to do with the decision to cancel NBA games. NBA games were canceled, first voluntarily by the league that puts them on, then effectively by government decree, to help stop the spread of the virus among large congregations of people.
It was a response to WFR asking why schools are still open but other events of 250 people or more are not allowed. You are acting like I just made it up out of nowhere.

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Seems like the argument BRick should be making is that keeping schools open is more important than helping to stop the virus spread because....why?
I already explained why schools are more vital than other gatherings of large groups of people and therefore the decision was harder and happened later.

I have never said that schools must stay open. I simply pointed out that the cost associated with closing schools is far greater so it isn't a shock that the decision to close schools came later than other events that were more easily cancelled. Then it became "WORKERS RECEIVE PAYMENT WHICH THEY THEN USE TO BUY LUNCH FOR THEIR KIDS!".

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Seems like the argument BRick should be making is that keeping schools open is more important than helping to stop the virus spread because....why?
I already explained why schools are more vital than other gatherings of large groups of people and therefore the decision was harder and happened later.
Except again you're falling back to comparing the apparent "need" for one large gathering of people over another, without explaining why that one large gathering is so important that allowing the virus to spread among its ranks is acceptable. This doesn't necessitate a comparison to the importance of NBA games, can you tell us why schools are so important that keeping them open supersedes efforts to stop the spread of the virus?


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Except again you're falling back to comparing the apparent "need" for one large gathering of people over another, without explaining why that one large gathering is so important that allowing the virus to spread among its ranks is acceptable. This doesn't necessitate a comparison to the importance of NBA games, tell us why schools are so important that keeping them open supersedes efforts to stop the spread of the virus?
I believe shutting down the schools was the right decision. My post was about why schools had not yet all been cancelled but plenty of other large gatherings of people had already been cancelled. The process of what to cancel happened over a period of time. It's like asking why the Big Ten Tournament was cancelled but high schools remained open. One was an easier decision than the other.

So, you are asking a question that there is no reason to answer.

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One thing we have declared for certain: getting loaded on Bourbon Street is more important than both the NBA and schools.

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One thing we have declared for certain: getting loaded on Bourbon Street is more important than both the NBA and schools.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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You can tell this is bullshit when crowds of more than 250 are banned, but schools shall remain open.
Schools at least for now are staying open because schools are more important than an NBA game.

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The argument was never about the "importance" of the NBA vs. school. It was about the logic of closing one vs. not closing another. If you are banning all gathering of more than 250 people keeping the schools open seems like a poor choice. To prove it was a poor choice they chose to close them the next day.

Bump for WFR.

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Mayor just dropped the hammer on bars. No more than half a capacity and max of 100 patrons allowed.

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Mayor just dropped the hammer on bars. No more than half a capacity and max of 100 patrons allowed.


Any limits on Cuervo?

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Mayor just dropped the hammer on bars. No more than half a capacity and max of 100 patrons allowed.


Good luck enforcing that.

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Mayor just dropped the hammer on bars. No more than half a capacity and max of 100 patrons allowed.


Good luck enforcing that.


I can think of one strip of bars it will be enforced today.

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Restaurant and bar ban effective Monday evening. NOW it's illegal.

Hope you all complained enough about other encroachment on civil liberties.


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Restaurant and bar ban effective Monday evening. NOW it's illegal.

Hope you all complained enough about other encroachment on civil liberties.


Bar ban yes; pickup/delivery still open for restaurants.

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Restaurant and bar ban effective Monday evening. NOW it's illegal.

Hope you all complained enough about other encroachment on civil liberties.


Bar ban yes; pickup/delivery still open for restaurants.

Most bars and restaurants operate on a knife edge of profitability. This will absolutely drive places out of business.

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I’m hoping Sam will check in with real world thoughts on this.

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Restaurant and bar ban effective Monday evening. NOW it's illegal.

Hope you all complained enough about other encroachment on civil liberties.


Bar ban yes; pickup/delivery still open for restaurants.

Most bars and restaurants operate on a knife edge of profitability. This will absolutely drive places out of business.


It's okay though because PANIC.

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I'm guessing this was not legal.

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Most bars and restaurants operate on a knife edge of profitability. This will absolutely drive places out of business.


It's like 3-5% of every dollar on food or something. Most places need that bar rev. It's like 20-30% of profit I think.


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Most bars and restaurants operate on a knife edge of profitability. This will absolutely drive places out of business.


It's like 3-5% of every dollar on food or something. Most places need that bar rev. It's like 20-30% of profit I think.


You must have the bar revenue

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I’m hoping Sam will check in with real world thoughts on this.

He mentioned in the chat his business will be affected but not as much as bars and non carry out places.

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I thought about this shutdown some more. It may be the correct thing to do. The real problem I have with it is the arbitrary way it has been done and even more than that, the language used by Pritzker.

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The time for persuasion and public appeals is over. This is not a joke. No one is immune to this.


When did he try to persuade anyone? He's issuing mandates like a king. There was no real public appeal. He offered rough guidelines to constituents and when they said "fuck you" he got angry like the rich brat he is and threw a temper tantrum. Guys like Pritzker aren't used to not getting their way and they don't like it.

Of course, now other governors are able to issue proclamations of their own. In fact, if they don't, they stand to look bad if this thing really does spread like wildfire.

Again. maybe this is the right thing to do. But I guarantee that Pritzker has not really examined it and weighed the odds, measured the risk/reward. If thousands of people start getting sick anyway, then he's just destroyed a bunch of people economically on top of the health crisis. He doesn't know. He gave some basic guidelines based upon what he was hearing and when The People chose not to follow them he threw a fit.

I don't want Donald Trump to be a dictator. And I don't want JB Pritzker to be one either.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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You can tell this is bullshit when crowds of more than 250 are banned, but schools shall remain open.
Schools at least for now are staying open because schools are more important than an NBA game.

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The argument was never about the "importance" of the NBA vs. school. It was about the logic of closing one vs. not closing another. If you are banning all gathering of more than 250 people keeping the schools open seems like a poor choice. To prove it was a poor choice they chose to close them the next day.


If you are trying to stop a pandemic from spreading then you can't say well this large gathering is really "important" otherwise canceling other large gatherings is meaningless. Now shut the fuck up.

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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
You can tell this is bullshit when crowds of more than 250 are banned, but schools shall remain open.
Schools at least for now are staying open because schools are more important than an NBA game.

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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
The argument was never about the "importance" of the NBA vs. school. It was about the logic of closing one vs. not closing another. If you are banning all gathering of more than 250 people keeping the schools open seems like a poor choice. To prove it was a poor choice they chose to close them the next day.


If you are trying to stop a pandemic from spreading then you can't say well this large gathering is really "important" otherwise canceling other large gatherings is meaningless. Now shut the fuck up.
It was the correct decision to ultimately cancel schools too. I was explaining why both choices didn't happen at the same time. As I said, it was about the "importance" of the events being cancelled which was clearly something you didn't get.

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Mayor just dropped the hammer on bars. No more than half a capacity and max of 100 patrons allowed.


Any limits on Cuervo?

You mean besides the limit on quality?

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
One thing we have declared for certain: getting loaded on Bourbon Street is more important than both the NBA and schools.


I did it just last week. I know it is cliche but I really do enjoy Hurricanes and Pat O'Briens garden area is a completely pleasant place to have a drink when it isn't crowded. I did see a rat running on top of the wall, which was offputting.

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