Most of the experts say if you have an open QB competition you really don't have a QB. It would seem there would be conflicting rooting interests between Nagy and Pace, Nagy wanting to win now and favoring Foles, where Pace hoping beyond hope that the guy he has staked his career on Mitch winning the camp battle.

Foles is good enough to push (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky but not good enough to push him aside.

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I apologize for which talking head it was on the radio recently but they agree with you in a sense. They also said they would not be surprised if the competition never ends. By that he meant that at any point for any week they might switch the QB back and forth.

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The timing of the Foles acquisition speaks volumes. It was not until after the disastrous free agency, in which the Bears got older and worse than they were before, that they decided to trade for Foles.

They are basically banking on Foles to save them. For him to find his magic and put the team on his back. They cannot publicly condemn (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky because (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky has been an extraordinarily good soldier for them, especially considering all the shit he gets from fans and the media. But this shit is settled, Foles is going to start.

Now with a better free agency? A free agency where they best player they acquired (aside from Foles) was not Germain Ifedi or Tre Roberson? Things may be more flexible. If they had added Clowney, a player that is younger and way better than Quinn that looks like he will make the same money as Quinn, or spend the Trevathan+Graham money on Conklin then things would be more flexible. They'd have a better roster, there would be an avenue for you to squint and think they could recreate some of the 2018 magic.

But now the defense is old, decrepit and injury prone. Their once vaunted pass rush is now almost entirely over-the-hill. Even Mack is falling apart.

The offense is just fucking horrible, the Bears have the worst offensive line in the NFL. Charles Leno and Bobbie Massie are perhaps the two worst starters in the whole league.

So its all on Foles now. The guy who took a Philadelphia team everyone left for dead in the wake of the Wentz injury and then had an absolutely insane playoffs in which he was instrumental to them winning a Super Bowl (not being carried like Flacco or Broncos Manning)...well if he could do that then maybe he could carry the Bears the same way. That's at least the thinking of Pace and Nagy, who know they are almost certainly out of a job when this five-win roster fulfills its promise.

Foles left handed would be good enough to push (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky aside.

And given his salary, Foles will be the starter. (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky has his chance and blew it.

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Of course, what the Bears are failing to realize about Foles in Philadelphia is that is that Philly had arguably the best OL in the NFL that year. There's a big gap between Lane Johnson/Jason Peters and Charles Leno/Bobbie Massie.

You're not wrong. But there is also a big gap between Nick Foles and Mitch Trubiksy. Its too bad some who have an eye for greatness are blind in said eye.

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Bears fans know that Foles is making less than (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky this year. Bears fans also know that Foles hasn't been better than (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky for most of his career.

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If Foles comes in and the offense is top 20 it will validate Nagy as a competent NFL coach and shift most of the blame for last year to Mitch and Pace. Nagy almost has to go with Foles, another bottom 5 performance from his offense likely get both him and Pace launched. There were a few honest voices telling everyone that Mitch was struggling in camp last year and that continued throughout the season, is it possible for him to improve dramatically this year, highly unlikely given his body of work over the past few years. Seems as though the sooner they cut bait on Mitch the better.

There's really no room for improvement. Its an old, bad roster.

Nagy, despite being a very good players coach, has been running the same plays every single game for two years. I doubt he stops any time soon.

If this winds up being the case then it’s further indictment that they didn’t go out and get the right guy. It would also be a spotlight on amateur hour coaching if they’re that close and constantly switching between them. If there’s not much difference you pick one and stick with him (unless injury) in the name of keeping the offense as consistent as possible.


Off topic, this is actually a decently deep QB draft class and the Bears should seriously be considering spending one of their 2nd round picks on a QB. I know all the ‘need to win now’ reasons that it’s not likely, but it wouldn’t be a bad move all things considered. I think there’s a day 2 QB (or two) that will emerge from this class as a good/great player down the road.


As an example (but not guarantee on how good he’ll be) I like Fromm the Georgia QB. At worst he’s a starting quality game manager. But he could develop into more than that. There’s a few others too.

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Fromm reminds me of Jake Locker, another guy who should have never been invited to any NFL camp.

I'd go Hurts and Hopkins with the second round picks.

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Pace is not going to take a developmental quarterback with either of the second round picks. That doesn't help him keep his job. He needs to get this roster from five wins to ten wins and he has only two second picks to do it with.

If the bears go 7-9.. Pace is back with Nagy another year.. Our ownership is bottom of the barrel.

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If the Bears dont make the playoffs they'll both be gone. Pace's deal only runs through the 2021 season and they will let the new guy pick the coach.

Had the Bears been more lenient with Trestman and Emery I'd agree with you, but they dont keep people around past their welcome. Its their saving grace.

When dorks like Frank understand this, pigs will fly.

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The offensive line is the problem and the reason if not fixed will be the total ruination of the Bears next season. Foles is not a great quarterback and is certainly not a mobile one. He will get maimed with the offensive line that the Bears will have in all likelihood.

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With the big iron on his hip

He sure played better in the second half of the season when he obviously got healthy(er). He played good despite having as bad an offensive line ever in Bear's history and two running backs that couldn't catch simple little passes and were either too small or too slow to hit a hole.

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Oh, he might have went on livin'
But he made one fatal slip
When he tried to match the Ranger
With the big iron on his hip

Come-on. They have an older over-all team and if they are seriously attempting to win a division title, they better use their draft picks on at least two OTs or on one OT and one G. They need more than that in my estimation but this is where their picks need to be focused on.

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Oh, he might have went on livin'
But he made one fatal slip
When he tried to match the Ranger
With the big iron on his hip

Here is a fact: If the Bears had a average offense last year, they would have made the playoffs and most likely won a playoff game. Nagy will say all the right things but he is slow rolling the eventual "Foles is our guy" announcement. Pace has no say here. He screwed up the QB draft pick and if the Nagy/QB position doesn't work this year, he is gone.

I still can’t explain it completely but the biggest failure from last year versus the year before was off line.

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A lot of contributing factors to the O lines woes last year. Leno had a terrible year, he looked at step slow and not sure how he gets quicker this year. Moving Daniels to C backfired, he was still undersized and got little movement, he also likely missed line calls which would not have been a big deal if the QB was able to make the calls. They didn't realize Long was done, they must have thought they could get one more year out of him, but years of injuries took away diminished his ability. Massie was outplayed by a journeyman, he is just a replacement level player. That left Whitehair as the only solid piece. The other consistent issue was Mitch's inability to recognize defenses and get the ball out on time, he also tends to leak out of the pocket laterally rather than step up in the pocket, making the poor OT play even more evident.

No way Pace AND Nagy stay if we go 7-9. Only way they both stay is if we make the playoffs. 7-9, one of them is gone.

Since we are on the topic of Pace saving his job I had a bit of a realisation that he actually has a much easier path to coming back for at least another season than trying to build a playoff team out what is one of the worst rosters in the NFL.

He could draft a quarterback who is what we all wish (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky was.

The way it looks now Herbert and/or Tagovailoa could fall. They can also both go top-five, but its certainly not a certainty that they will. This is not a year where it is fated that quarterbacks run off the board immediately. If one falls to about fifteen then the Bears are in a position where the two seconds and a 2021 first would be enough for the trade-up.

This team, even with Nick Foles, is not winning more than six games realistically. The schedule isn't out yet but we have our opponents, if its a tough start to the season they could easily begin the year 0-5. At that point the rookie will get their shot, and if they look great there's no way Pace or Nagy gets fired. People will grant them a reprieve to assemble a roster around them.

I don't think that it is a bad roster. They really have one bad part of the roster and that is the offensive line. It is fixable but I don't understand why they haven't treated it as a priority not only this off season but literally 10-12 off seasons in a row.

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But he made one fatal slip
When he tried to match the Ranger
With the big iron on his hip

Depends what side of the ball you are looking at. Our defense is really good, on offensive our roster is decent, at best.

That's how I see it also. I really do not understand what Pace has done in this off season. Why he has spent so much money on the defense and little on offense just doesn't make sense to me. If they had even a decent Oline they bringing in Foles would make sense to me. I have nothing bad to say about Foles. He is okay and has skill and is tough. But he isn't a miracle worker and the Bears offensive line will offer him no protection.

The other real weakness to the offense is the lack of a running game and that again is directly due to the offensive line. All f the gadget plays also don't really help.

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But he made one fatal slip
When he tried to match the Ranger
With the big iron on his hip

The defense is about to fall off a cliff. Their rush is falling apart, Mack isn't the player he was when he first arrived in Chicago anymore and the Quinn signing is the very definition of acquiring a guy for what he used to be and not what he will be. Hicks is old and cant stay healthy, Nichols cant stay healthy, Goldman cant stay healthy...RRH may honestly be their best pass rusher who has a reasonable shot of playing more than ten games this year.

Roquan's great, could be an All-Pro. Kyle Fuller is an elite CB and Eddie Jackson is about as good a free safety as you'll find. Other than that? Mostly average, mostly old and almost entirely declining.

The offense is a disaster. Worst OL in the sport.

They are doomed. First overall isn't out of the question.

Stop being so oblivious to the rest of the league. Sure, we won't be a Super Bowl contender this year, but saying "First overall isn't out of the question" is pretty extreme. If you honestly think we are actually in a position right to be the worst team in the league this year (1-15 or 2-14) you obviously are not paying attention to what is happening around the rest of the NFL.

Yeah, the defense is definitely upper tier in all of football. I still have hope for the team but a lot depends on the draft and unfortunately they don't have good draft picks to make a big difference. So unless they happen to strike gold with their two 2nd round picks and find two good Olinemen, their offense isn't going to be even decent. Foles and Graham are not going to make up for a shitty offensive line and mediocre running backs.

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An Ode to the Texas man who shot an Antifa terrorist:

Oh, he might have went on livin'
But he made one fatal slip
When he tried to match the Ranger
With the big iron on his hip