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 Post subject: Re: Bears DRAFT
PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2020 5:29 pm 
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:lol: Kmet would make me happy

He is not going to be there, but what is your issue with him?

I trust the folks telling me no TE is worth taking in this class with anything higher than a day 3 pick. It’s supposedly the weakest TE class in modern history. 2021 should be a good class. Also, TEs never contribute as rookies so it would be essentially worthless to their 2020 chances.

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I don't think Pace can even identify a viable TE.


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tbh Kmet may suck but he just has to be better than JP Holtz and Jimmy Graham's corpse.


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"Every year" Justin Herbert comes around, yet last year he would've been the runaway first overall pick. And his arm is way better than Burrow's, Burrow just has crazy hype for a bunch of reasons.


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"Every year" Justin Herbert comes around, yet last year he would've been the runaway first overall pick. And his arm is way better than Burrow's, Burrow just has crazy hype for a bunch of reasons.

Kyler would have been the 1.1 still. Close to zero chance Herbert is as good as he is.

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Burrow has crazy hype for a reason - he just put up the most impressive season by a college QB ever and it’s not a particularly close contest.

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I am really interested in seeing how Burrow does. He seems to be a can't miss guy. But would it really be surprising if he crashes and burns?

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I am really interested in seeing how Burrow does. He seems to be a can't miss guy. But would it really be surprising if he crashes and burns?

Yeah it would surprise me.

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Burrow has crazy hype for a reason - he just put up the most impressive season by a college QB ever and it’s not a particularly close contest.

Burrow has maxed out intangibles and still a world class arm. If my post made it sound like Burrow shouldn't go 1.1 then you're taking it the wrong way. Best prospect since Luck, right?


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I didn't watch Burrow during the season but that National Championship game showed me that the kid is football mature beyond his years and will be a stud. I would trade multiple first round picks for him.

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He's one of the all-time great draft prospects. His pocket presence is literally NFL quality already, in his head he seems to have played last year already at the higher level.

But, his arm isn't as good as Herbert's. That's just a statement of fact.


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I think they're going quarterback early. Maybe at 2.43, maybe even higher than that. They've got their eyes on someone.


It's clear they need help on the OL. An OG would probably bring the most immediate impact, but a OT would be hard to pass. CB and S are positions where a 2nd round pick can compete for starting jobs on Day 1.

They do need WR help, and this draft is deep there. I do expect them to count on internal development from Ridley and Wims moreso.

TE would still be a solid move, just not confident in them going that route.

Wouldn't be opposed to them trying to turn these 2nd round picks into 4 or 5 picks, not sure if a team like Miami/Jacksonville would overpay to move into one of the Chicago picks; occasionally, you do get a stupid team who will overpay in giving a future pick as well to get somebody that they really want. Pace has been pretty active in years past so wouldn't be surprised if he attempts to get an extra pick or two in the first 3 rounds by moving down.


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Burrow has crazy hype for a reason - he just put up the most impressive season by a college QB ever and it’s not a particularly close contest.

Burrow has maxed out intangibles and still a world class arm. If my post made it sound like Burrow shouldn't go 1.1 then you're taking it the wrong way. Best prospect since Luck, right?

Seems that way.

Kyler is/was a much better prospect than most ever gave him credit for tho.

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He's one of the all-time great draft prospects. His pocket presence is literally NFL quality already, in his head he seems to have played last year already at the higher level.

But, his arm isn't as good as Herbert's. That's just a statement of fact.


Burrow played against SEC defenses full of first round picks all last year, and Herbert played in the PAC 12. Burrow picked up the RPO in one off season and ran it better than Mitch, was advocating for Bears to pick him after watching a few of his games early in the year but once they started winning there was no way he was slipping into second round. That said, he was able to get away with throws in college that will turn into picks in the NFL. Herbert has better physical tools, but Burrow is way ahead of him between the ears where it counts, we've all seen how a physically gifted QB that can't read defenses works out on the NFL level.


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Rodgers and Luck came from the PAC
Mahomes played in the no-defense Big Ten


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Rodgers and Luck came from the PAC
Mahomes played in the no-defense Big Ten

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TEs never contribute as rookies so it would be essentially worthless to their 2020 chances.



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Rodgers and Luck came from the PAC
Mahomes played in the no-defense Big Ten


Hmmm...would think success playing against defenses full of future NFL players would be a little better indicator than putting up numbers against pedestrian PAC 12 defenses.


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Rodgers and Luck came from the PAC
Mahomes played in the no-defense Big Ten


Hmmm...would think success playing against defenses full of future NFL players would be a little better indicator than putting up numbers against pedestrian PAC 12 defenses.

On the other hand Manning came from the SEC. Brady, Wilson and Brees from the Big Ten. Rivers from the ACC.

The lesson for me here is that there really is no correlation. Its hard to look at Burrow and say it doesn't matter that he throws for five hundred yards in a half against some of the best defenses in the country, but in a way it doesn't. Level of competition does not seem to be important.


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Rodgers and Luck came from the PAC
Mahomes played in the no-defense Big Ten


Hmmm...would think success playing against defenses full of future NFL players would be a little better indicator than putting up numbers against pedestrian PAC 12 defenses.

On the other hand Manning came from the SEC. Brady, Wilson and Brees from the Big Ten. Rivers from the ACC.

The lesson for me here is that there really is no correlation. Its hard to look at Burrow and say it doesn't matter that he throws for five hundred yards in a half against some of the best defenses in the country, but in a way it doesn't. Level of competition does not seem to be important.


It is more art than science, these guys come in as moldable clay, all the top guys have similar traits, but no one can predict how these guys are going to react to the NFL.


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Kiper’s latest mock has the Bears taking Kmet at 43, and Penn state WR KJ Hamler at 50.

Idk if Mel got the memo about the offensive line.

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Kiper has been struggling this season IMO. I listen to his podcast with McShay and I wonder if his contacts in teams scouting departments have retired or if he's not willing to put in the work anymore. It just doesn't seem like he's putting in the work like Brugler or Jeremiah.

Jeremiah did his pre-draft conference call and took a Bears question about taking a QB in round 2. He was against that and said the Bears just need to get better and taking a QB in the 2nd round wouldn't make them better. He seemed a little exasperated about the missing picks. He didn't mention trading down but did say later he thought the sweet spot was round 3. I see the value in round 2 for offensive tackle so I'd stay if I was them. Its possible Jones, Jackson, Cleveland, and Wilson make it into the 2nd.

Supposedly a scout told Rappaport the mocks are way off this year...worse than he's ever seen them so who knows...


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The CBS mock has the Bears taking QB Eason from Washington and some safety in the second.

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My preference is to take tackles, but if Swift or (more likely) Taylor falls to them at 43 would you pull the trigger?

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My preference is to take tackles, but if Swift or (more likely) Taylor falls to them at 43 would you pull the trigger?


Jonathan Taylor? The RB?

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B Mac wrote:
My preference is to take tackles, but if Swift or (more likely) Taylor falls to them at 43 would you pull the trigger?

We've talked about this before and Dobbins would be a pretty popular pick among the Bears fans on the bored.


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My preference is to take tackles, but if Swift or (more likely) Taylor falls to them at 43 would you pull the trigger?


Jonathan Taylor? The RB?

Yeah sorry. Swift will go first, but Taylor could end up being better.

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My preference is to take tackles, but if Swift or (more likely) Taylor falls to them at 43 would you pull the trigger?


Jonathan Taylor? The RB?

Yeah sorry. Swift will go first, but Taylor could end up being better.


Taylor has been run hard at Wisconsin, 310 carries ( avg) for three seasons. I think Montgomery is good, just can't keep running him out of the shotgun.

I'd like to see Hurts in the second round and the best available Tight End or WR available with that other pick.

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