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Would you deny that the Han are a particularly supremacist people?


They've managed to grow and maintain a population dominance for nearly 2 millennia. I did just learn that the population of Taiwan is 97% Han, compared to mainland China's 92%.

Is Taiwan on the "obliteration list"?

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I want to be clear that I am not talking a shooting war or any sort of global conflagration. I am fairly certain that can be avoided as long as the USA maintains to current balance of power. From there we can blockade the PRC into famine.


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The Han Chinese is a menace to the planet and must be destroyed. Full stop, this is the great struggle of our times. They cannot be bargained or reasoned with, the Carthiginian solution is the only way.

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Would you deny that the Han are a particularly supremacist people?


They've managed to grow and maintain a population dominance for nearly 2 millennia. I did just learn that the population of Taiwan is 97% Han, compared to mainland China's 92%.

Is Taiwan on the "obliteration list"?

Canton will eat dogs too, they aren't absolved of guilt. But at least the Cantonese recognize the PRC's complete amorality and were standing up to it this time last year.


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Also, I dont think the Zhuang or Uyghurs really have done anything to deserve suffering under Han rule any longer.


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"Well, say what you will about the Germans really starting to feel themselves, but if you look back, they have done a lot!"

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"Well, say what you will about the Germans really starting to feel themselves, but if you look back, they have done a lot!"

That's essentially the point we are at. This is the Kristallnacht moment, where even the apologists have to kind of fess up and admit there is a colossal problem here. No longer can people really claim ignorance, or worse yet try and equivocate on behalf of the PRC.

What matters is unity, both within the US and within our coalition. If that means a democrat president? So be it. I dont care. The only thing this decade will be remembered for is how it deals with China. It is literally the only issue that matters.


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Also, I dont think the Zhuang or Uyghurs really have done anything to deserve suffering under Han rule any longer.


What about the Manchu or are they getting what they deserve?

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Also, I dont think the Zhuang or Uyghurs really have done anything to deserve suffering under Han rule any longer.


What about the Manchu or are they getting what they deserve?

The eventual plan is to probably give all of this people homeland, or create homelands for them. Similarly to how the Allies broke up Prussia after the war, make sure to divide out their strategic resources and most powerful cities and engage in some forced migration. Then just carve it up and dole it out to the ethnic groups.


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Also, I dont think the Zhuang or Uyghurs really have done anything to deserve suffering under Han rule any longer.


What about the Manchu or are they getting what they deserve?

The eventual plan is to probably give all of this people homeland, or create homelands for them. Similarly to how the Allies broke up Prussia after the war, make sure to divide out their strategic resources and most powerful cities and engage in some forced migration. Then just carve it up and dole it out to the ethnic groups.


Umm, I think China has designs on more territory not less. Plus they’re making their own islands in the South China Sea.

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Umm, I think China has designs on more territory not less. Plus they’re making their own islands in the South China Sea.

By all means give them what they want. I'm sure they'll stop at the Sudetenland.


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Modern history has shown that the U S. is capable of influencing the Chinese political and economic systems in ways that were beneficial for the United States

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Modern history has shown that the U S. is capable of influencing the Chinese political and economic systems in meaningful ways.

The Chinese have just pretended to play along so we'd leave them alone with their death camps and territorial expansions.

The parallels between Nazi Germany are honestly remarkable, right down to the reeducation camps for the Uyghurs, the claiming that Hong Kong is "Chinese" and deserves to be part of China (literally history repeating itself there) and the totalitarian style of government. Its the same damn thing! People have been bitching about a tiny percentage of Nazi's brooding in the UP and mom's basement when they missed the roughly one billion of them consolidating power in Asia.


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long time guy wrote:
Modern history has shown that the U S. is capable of influencing the Chinese political and economic systems in meaningful ways.

The Chinese have just pretended to play along so we'd leave them alone with their death camps and territorial expansions.

The parallels between Nazi Germany are honestly remarkable, right down to the reeducation camps for the Uyghurs, the claiming that Hong Kong is "Chinese" and deserves to be part of China (literally history repeating itself there) and the totalitarian style of government. Its the same damn thing! People have been bitching about a tiny percentage of Nazi's brooding in the UP and mom's basement when they missed the roughly one billion of them consolidating power in Asia.


I don't think you quite grasped the point.

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Oh yeah, just like Germany totally followed the Washington Naval Treaty and respected the Danzig Corridor. China doesn't actually cooperate, they just appear to.


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1B people "consolidating" power?

I think you missed the last 2000 years.

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1B people "consolidating" power?

I think you missed the last 2000 years.

Uh, I think you've missed the last two thousand years. China has spent an inordinate amount of type doing what could be considered the opposite of consolidating power. How many dynasties have they gone through and civil wars have they had? The idea of "China" being this unified is a pretty recent phenomenon.

The Germany comparison actually continues to be very apt, as it was really Bismarck getting the HRE to stop bickering and come together as one broadly German nation and drop its petty squabbles for the first time in history.


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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... china-ties

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NSA Robert O’Brien was asked on Fox & Friends when the administration is going to get more aggressive with China over its handling of coronavirus.

“Well, I think we're being pretty tough on China,” he replied. “Look, there are lawsuits that have been filed by folks out there.”

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By SUMMER BALLENTINE Associated Press April 21, 2020 — 2:20pm


COLUMBIA, Mo. — The state of Missouri filed a lawsuit Tuesday against the Chinese government over the coronavirus, alleging that nation's officials are to blame for the global pandemic.
The lawsuit, filed in federal court by the state's top prosecutor, alleges Chinese officials are "responsible for the enormous death, suffering, and economic losses they inflicted on the world, including Missourians."
"The Chinese government lied to the world about the danger and contagious nature of COVID-19, silenced whistleblowers, and did little to stop the spread of the disease," Attorney General Eric Schmitt said in a written statement. "They must be held accountable for their actions."
Lawsuits against other countries are typically fruitless because U.S. law generally prohibits them with rare exceptions, said Ashley Deeks, an international law expert at the University of Virginia School of Law.
Missouri Democratic Party Executive Director Lauren Gepford called the lawsuit a "stunt" by a Republican attorney general who is up for re-election this year.
The number of Missouri deaths statewide rose by 16 Tuesday to 215, according to Johns Hopkins University's Center for Systems Science and Engineering. The number of cases rose by 156 to 5,963.
For most people, the coronavirus causes mild or moderate symptoms, such as fever and cough that clear up in two to three weeks. For some, especially older adults and people with existing health problems, it can cause more severe illness, including pneumonia, and death.

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By SUMMER BALLENTINE Associated Press April 21, 2020 — 2:20pm


COLUMBIA, Mo. — The state of Missouri filed a lawsuit Tuesday against the Chinese government over the coronavirus, alleging that nation's officials are to blame for the global pandemic.
The lawsuit, filed in federal court by the state's top prosecutor, alleges Chinese officials are "responsible for the enormous death, suffering, and economic losses they inflicted on the world, including Missourians."
"The Chinese government lied to the world about the danger and contagious nature of COVID-19, silenced whistleblowers, and did little to stop the spread of the disease," Attorney General Eric Schmitt said in a written statement. "They must be held accountable for their actions."
Lawsuits against other countries are typically fruitless because U.S. law generally prohibits them with rare exceptions, said Ashley Deeks, an international law expert at the University of Virginia School of Law.
Missouri Democratic Party Executive Director Lauren Gepford called the lawsuit a "stunt" by a Republican attorney general who is up for re-election this year.
The number of Missouri deaths statewide rose by 16 Tuesday to 215, according to Johns Hopkins University's Center for Systems Science and Engineering. The number of cases rose by 156 to 5,963.
For most people, the coronavirus causes mild or moderate symptoms, such as fever and cough that clear up in two to three weeks. For some, especially older adults and people with existing health problems, it can cause more severe illness, including pneumonia, and death.

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This is one of the best (and strangest) interviews I have ever seen. This guy represents capitalism at its most brutal. The beauty of it is, he doesn't give a fuck. I kept waiting for him to offer some kind of spin or to dissemble, but he wouldn't, he didn't. There are multiple points in the interview where Tucker just can't believe the guy is saying what he's saying. He was honest and cold as a fucking iceberg:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qei0aY2vww8

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This is one of the best (and strangest) interviews I have ever seen. This guy represents capitalism at its most brutal. The beauty of it is, he doesn't give a fuck. I kept waiting for him to offer some kind of spin or to dissemble, but he wouldn't, he didn't. There are multiple points in the interview where Tucker just can't believe the guy is saying what he's saying. He was honest and cold as a fucking iceberg:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qei0aY2vww8


The social distance warriors are targeting Tucker now.

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Carlson is lying, which should be obvious without even doing a moment's worth of historical research. If quarantines are a brand new thing that no one has ever considered before, why do we have a word for the practice?

Humans figured out quarantines worked before they even knew why they worked. The CDC website I found after a Google search for "history of quarantine" explains that the "practice of quarantine, as we know it, began during the 14th century in an effort to protect coastal cities from plague epidemics," by holding ships at anchor for 40 days before docking.


This sounds like a travel ban, not whatever we are doing now.

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Quarantine refers to sick people. When we lock up the healthy it's known as prison.

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Quarantine refers to sick people. When we lock up the healthy it's known as prison.


It continues to show the repressive, fascist tendencies that have emerged on the left. If you don't agree with us you are a deplorable monster. If you disagree with stay at home orders you are trying to kill people. It unrecognizable to me.

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It continues to show the repressive, fascist tendencies that have emerged on the left. If you don't agree with us you are a deplorable monster. If you disagree with stay at home orders you are trying to kill people.
Yeah if there is one thing which the stay at home order has continued to show, it's that it is the product of the
"repressive, fascist tendencies on the left".

Ah that repressive, fascist left is at it again
https://www.newsweek.com/americans-back ... er-1496997
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It unrecognizable to me.

:lol: :lol: So apparently is anything which even sniffs of being factual. You are so stupid that you make Chas appear rather learned on this stuff. At least he actually reads as opposed to surfing for the posts of woke Twitter feeds all the time.
Support for stay at home restrictions is one of the very few things that can actually be considered bi-partisan at current.
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MORE THAN 80 PERCENT SUPPORT NATIONAL STAY-AT-HOME ORDER BEING ISSUED: POLL
The vast majority of Americans would support a national stay-at-home order being issued amid the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic, according to a new poll.

The latest survey by Quinnipiac University found 81 percent of U.S. adults backed a national stay-at-home order, with 17 percent opposing the idea.

Democratic voters and Independents were more likely to support the issuing of such an order, with 95 percent of Democrats and eight-in-ten Independents approving the idea.

Republicans told pollsters that they backed the idea of a national stay-at-home order, with 68 percent supporting the idea and 31 percent saying they would oppose it.


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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
It continues to show the repressive, fascist tendencies that have emerged on the left. If you don't agree with us you are a deplorable monster. If you disagree with stay at home orders you are trying to kill people.
Yeah if there is one thing which the stay at home order has continued to show, it's that it is the product of the
"repressive, fascist tendencies on the left".

Ah that repressive, fascist left is at it again
https://www.newsweek.com/americans-back ... er-1496997
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
It unrecognizable to me.

:lol: :lol: So apparently is anything which even sniffs of being factual. You are so stupid that you make Chas appear rather learned on this stuff. At least he actually reads as opposed to surfing for the posts of woke Twitter feeds all the time.
Support for stay at home restrictions is one of the very few things that can actually be considered bi-partisan at current.
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MORE THAN 80 PERCENT SUPPORT NATIONAL STAY-AT-HOME ORDER BEING ISSUED: POLL
The vast majority of Americans would support a national stay-at-home order being issued amid the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic, according to a new poll.

The latest survey by Quinnipiac University found 81 percent of U.S. adults backed a national stay-at-home order, with 17 percent opposing the idea.

Democratic voters and Independents were more likely to support the issuing of such an order, with 95 percent of Democrats and eight-in-ten Independents approving the idea.

Republicans told pollsters that they backed the idea of a national stay-at-home order, with 68 percent supporting the idea and 31 percent saying they would oppose it.


The "must not overwhelm the medical system" became something else. When the mission statement changes mid-stream through the propaganda of fear, it's wrong and I don't care what the polls say. The polls say that because the politics of fear worked. NY's boat LEFT. That's all I need to know that the mission statement CHANGED!


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Also, I dont think the Zhuang or Uyghurs really have done anything to deserve suffering under Han rule any longer.


What about the Manchu or are they getting what they deserve?

The eventual plan is to probably give all of this people homeland, or create homelands for them. Similarly to how the Allies broke up Prussia after the war, make sure to divide out their strategic resources and most powerful cities and engage in some forced migration. Then just carve it up and dole it out to the ethnic groups.


Umm, I think China has designs on more territory not less. Plus they’re making their own islands in the South China Sea.

wanting more territory to grow their population.Hmm,where did I hear that before? Lebensraum? Yeah,these fucks need to be stopped.

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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
It continues to show the repressive, fascist tendencies that have emerged on the left. If you don't agree with us you are a deplorable monster. If you disagree with stay at home orders you are trying to kill people.
Yeah if there is one thing which the stay at home order has continued to show, it's that it is the product of the
"repressive, fascist tendencies on the left".

Ah that repressive, fascist left is at it again
https://www.newsweek.com/americans-back ... er-1496997
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
It unrecognizable to me.

:lol: :lol: So apparently is anything which even sniffs of being factual. You are so stupid that you make Chas appear rather learned on this stuff. At least he actually reads as opposed to surfing for the posts of woke Twitter feeds all the time.
Support for stay at home restrictions is one of the very few things that can actually be considered bi-partisan at current.
Quote:
MORE THAN 80 PERCENT SUPPORT NATIONAL STAY-AT-HOME ORDER BEING ISSUED: POLL
The vast majority of Americans would support a national stay-at-home order being issued amid the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic, according to a new poll.

The latest survey by Quinnipiac University found 81 percent of U.S. adults backed a national stay-at-home order, with 17 percent opposing the idea.

Democratic voters and Independents were more likely to support the issuing of such an order, with 95 percent of Democrats and eight-in-ten Independents approving the idea.

Republicans told pollsters that they backed the idea of a national stay-at-home order, with 68 percent supporting the idea and 31 percent saying they would oppose it.


The "must not overwhelm the medical system" became something else. When the mission statement changes mid-stream through the propaganda of fear, it's wrong and I don't care what the polls say. The polls say that because the politics of fear worked. NY's boat LEFT. That's all I need to know that the mission statement CHANGED!



Had the stay at home measures not taken effect the medical system would have been overwhelmed. Is that not is what is lost in all of this? There have been 50,000 deaths in 5 weeks and that's with Shelter in Place rules in effect. There is no doubt in my mind that it would be at least double if they weren't in place. Every single day the same people come here to bash those that actually attempted to be proactive when study after study has shown that being proactive (and early) helped to stall or curb the effects numbers wise.

Sheltering has worked as best as can be expected. People are advocating for "just open it up" even as its painfully obvious that we do not have the equipment to treat the numbers effected by this right now. The media didn't create the panic. Neither did the politicians. The panic was created by the people that serve as gotos for information on this stuff.

That is who I happen to really be listening to on this stuff. That's what they are trained and paid to do.

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