RAIDERS could be in play with one of their three picks in the 3rd round.

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How long will it take a new GM to gut the Bears of every Pace move?

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I don't think that speed showed up in games. His hands weren't great either. Pre combine he was probably a 3-4 rounder.

All that being said, I'd be more than happy to have him to see what he is. There is so much potential there. I also think there is a lot of bust potential.

The truth is, there are probably 10-15 WR that I would be absolutely thrilled to have at #50 (really hoping for one of those OT to drop to 43). For me, this is a draft that is dummy proof. Best WR and BPA in round 2. If necessary, package some of those 6th or 7ths along with the 5th and move into the 4th for a falling SS.

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Pace did not take long to erase the legacy of Emery almost entirely. Pace has been better than Emery by quite a bit, but I dont think much of his handiwork will be around two years from this time.

I've seen Reagor connected to the Bears at 50 today.

He's the natural fit since they need that Z receiver to replace Gabriel.

I would really prefer they just go for the best player though. Mims wont be there at 2.43, which is a damn shame, but Shenault probably will.

Fact is Robinson hasn't signed that extension yet and I'm not sure he will. Anthony Miller is way better than his production has been, but he's already heading into his age twenty-six season and will be a free agent in two years. Its a golden opportunity to draft a cornerstone wide receiver and they instead draft the guy who doesn't necessarily have the best profile but instead replaces Taylor Gabriel most effectively? It'd be one thing if this were a team that was one Taylor Gabriel away from a complete roster, but that's not the case.

Reagor is going to be a much better pro than Shenault.

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I try not to harp on guys for trading up too much because its an uncertain landscape in the draft and there's a pick value to giving yourself some control over your own destiny.

But at the same time this year feels like the chickens coming home to roost for the Bears, who have traded away an inordinate number of draft picks during the Ryan Pace era. The Mack and Anthony Miller trades were good, I cannot fault either of them. The Bears wound up getting a vastly better 2018 second round pick than 2019 second round pick and it cost them only 4.105 to do it. Doesn't hurt that the player they drafted has been really great and has basically been destroyed by poor quarterback play and a stagnant offensive philosophy. Two firsts for a guy who will be the best football player in the world for one season is worth it to.

But aside from those it feels like every year the Bears are playing catch-up trying to scrounge together enough draft capital to have a viable rookie class, and every time they do it costs them more and more assets from the next year which only compounds the problem. Even last year, when all they really had was a third round pick, they did this to trade up and grab David Montgomery. Now that's cost them one of their fourth round picks, which I'll tell ya they could really use something between 2.50 and 5.163.

And now I'm almost certain they'll do it again this year and at some point we'll really have to pay the piper and basically not have a draft class. And unlike last year, where that was mostly the case, there will be no Khalil Mack to show for it.

It'll just be a year where they have like three picks, all outside the top one-hundred and its going to set them back massively.

agreed

would love if he is there

he is the anti Claypool where he didn't have a good combine but he looks much faster on tape

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Shenault could be really good though. The best ability is availability I get that but his injuries were a shoulder, toe, and core. The toe surgery has a high success rate and most players never have an issue again. The core injury is caused by overwork. He ran at the combine when injured...how many guys do that? Working out too much and running at the combine when injured tells me the guy is ultra-competitive. I would be very pleased if he was there at 80 especially if we picked up Ruggs earlier. He would have to get past Denver twice though for that to happen so Mayock will need to move up.

like I've said, I think it's splitting hairs because I like any of the top 15 or so WR as a Day 1 starter next year. I like about the top 35 to be year 1 contributors.

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The only reason the Bears should be looking to draft WR in this class is because its probably the best crop at the position in draft history. Its probably the one position (though I think are OK at guard) they are set at on offense.

But the Bears are so bereft of talent, particularly bereft of talent under age twenty-five, that I have no problem with them taking what would a top-fifteen pick any other year at 2.43 or 2.50. That's why I hate this Reagor idea, they aren't drafting him because he presents the most potential they are looking at him because he replaces Taylor Gabriel; as if that fucking matters on this shitty six win team.

Yeah I've never seen anything like it. It couldn't have worked out better for the Raiders as they had the worst receiver group in the league last season. If some of those tackles drop it could work out well for the Bears too.

I think there are so many that are legit top-five overall pick quality that its depressed the value of Ruggs, Lamb and Jeudy since everyone has a favourite. Burrow and Young are obviously a class unto themselves, but the next three best player in this draft might very well wide recievers.

Its why the Hopkins trade made some sense until the Texans traded for Brandin Cooks.

I heard one expert say the quality is great but the top isn't elite on the level of Julio Jones (on his draft day). He didn't think any deserved top 5 but 13 deserved top 64.

I disagree with the opinion. I absolutely love CeeDee Lamb.

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I think you are misguided to consider any speed WR pick just a replacement for Gabriel.

Any of these second round guys will immediately be better than Gabriel, fill a definite need and meet BPA

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Lamb/Hopkins is one of the few times where a player comp to an all-pro feels dead on the money.


The point I'm trying to make here is going to Reagor isn't going BPA, its going need. There's bigger star potential with other guys who should be available there, and really the Bears should be in the business of trying to rebuild a roster with some young talent regardless of the particulars.

Lamb is playing chess when everyone else is playing checkers. I've never seen a receiver work zones like he does. I think he's separated himself from the rest. I'll be surprised if he's there at #12 sadly.

Simms says its impossible to comp Lamb with one player. He says Hopkins before the catch and Jarvis Landry after. That's pretty good...

Which of these tackles in the top 10 will be available when the Bears pick?

https://walterfootball.com/draft2020OT.php

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Those first four guys could all go in the top ten feasibly.

After that its a crapshoot.

Just watched some video of him. Wow.

Jeudy is a better route runner and played against exponentially better talent. He's the reson that Ruggs is a first round pick. You guys sound like the guys fooled by the numbers like with the LSU bunch.

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Then Isaiah Wilson or Prince Tega Wanogho have to be the picks then. I would prefer Wanogho because he isn't a snail.

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If Justin Jefferson dropped to the Bears I'd faint.

It looks like the reports of a big run on tackles is going to be true so most will probably be gone. I would guess Wanogho and Peart would still be there. Adams had back surgery and will be lucky to be drafted. Saahdiq Charles wasn't on the list but might be their best option. He has some off-field issues and was suspended but he's been getting a lot of buzz the last couple of days. The Bears have been in contact with him.

Tackle
1. Prince Tega Wanogho 
2. Isaiah Wilson

WR:
1. Denzel Mims
2. Stephen Guidry
3. Quez Watkins
4. Donovan Peoples-Jones
5: Dezmon Patmon

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I am certain they will draft a quarterback, the only question I have is whether they'll trade up to get him. Then I think they'll draft wide receiver, Mims or Shenault if they are there would be a dream but I dont think they'll slide to 2.50. Claypool seems likely.

Pace isn't going to draft an OT. Too much bust potential, he's in job saving mode and this needs to be an all-time rookie class for him to stand a prayer of being the Bears GM this time next year.

Jeudy is the better route runner but he's also more of a finesse player and I think Lamb fits what the Raiders are doing better. I like Jeudy but Lamb is better after the catch and he's better on contested plays. Jeudy also had some drops...probably not too concerning but something to consider. I think Ruggs is going in the first round because of his 4.27 and his good (especially for a speed guy) hands.

I knew the Raiders would be looking at receiver in the draft so I watched every game Lamb, Ruggs, Jeudy, and Jefferson played this season. An 85" screen and DVR is almost like watching the 22's most of the time. Some of Lamb's best plays aren't on youtube as they weren't for huge gains. They were off-schedule plays where he was able to find an open area in the zone for Hurts to hit for a 1st down.

If the Raiders take Jeudy I'll be fine with it.

I doubt he gets past 20 especially in light of concern over Jeudy's knee surgery that came out today.