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He put himself in a position after the Mack trade where he needed to make safe picks, and hope he drafted solid pros.

Instead he kept trying to prove how smart he is while continuing to burn draft capital.

You cant really draft "safe" picks when you only pick within the top fifty once in two years.

What Pace did, ultimately, was leverage three years worth of resources into one season. He flicked on the GM afterburners. That made them probably the best overall team in the league for one year, certainly the best defense. But a crucial mistake in drafting the wrong quarterback the year before and a bad kicker undid all that.

Now we are paying the piper for that 2018 team though. That's what these two drafts and free agent periods have been. Had the Bears won a Super Bowl it would've been a worthwhile deal with the devil, but it sure feels like a shitty tradeoff now.


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The last time the Bears had at least one pick in each of the first three rounds of the draft was 2016. They have gone four drafts now without a full bucket of top one-hundred picks. That's a recipe for disaster.


A big reason for that is the Khalil Mack trade, which you loved.


The Mack trade is/was worth it. The Bears are on the precipice of mediocrity because the (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky trade failed and not because of the Mack deal.

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The last time the Bears had at least one pick in each of the first three rounds of the draft was 2016. They have gone four drafts now without a full bucket of top one-hundred picks. That's a recipe for disaster.

That draft was terrible.
Leonard Floyd
Cody Whitehair
Jonathan Bullard (uniquely bad pick)
Nick Kwiatkoski
Deon Bush
Deiondre Hall
Jordan Howard (his best pick of this draft)
Deandre Houston-Carson
Daniel Braverman (who i believe literally does not have a professional statistic at all but Pace thought he was a Julian Edleman type)

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Pace and Nagy are all in next year. If they don’t win a playoff game both should be gone.

Well Green Bay drafted for 2022 for some reason so the division is there.

Vikings are the big winners. Bears are circling the drain and the Packers committed a soft form of franchise suicide.

We’ll see how it all turns out. If Love is good this was an outstanding draft for GB

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The last time the Bears had at least one pick in each of the first three rounds of the draft was 2016. They have gone four drafts now without a full bucket of top one-hundred picks. That's a recipe for disaster.

That draft was terrible.
Leonard Floyd
Cody Whitehair
Jonathan Bullard (uniquely bad pick)
Nick Kwiatkoski
Deon Bush
Deiondre Hall
Jordan Howard (his best pick of this draft)
Deandre Houston-Carson
Daniel Braverman (who i believe literally does not have a professional statistic at all but Pace thought he was a Julian Edleman type)

That's not a really bad draft though. Nine players, four of them definitely quality starters (I never got the hate for Leonard Floyd). Bush, Houston-Carson and Bullard are good rotational player or specia lteams too. The only really shitty pick was Deiondre Hall and Braverman.

I would say that's a "good" draft. No superstar talent, but you find a lot of starters who you are happy with. Howard, Floyd, Whitehair and Kwiatkowski are all good players.


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Antarctica wrote:
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Pace and Nagy are all in next year. If they don’t win a playoff game both should be gone.

Well Green Bay drafted for 2022 for some reason so the division is there.

Vikings are the big winners. Bears are circling the drain and the Packers committed a soft form of franchise suicide.

:lol: talk about going to extremes. Vikings had a nice draft on paper but we all know how that can go. They also have had some losses before the draft. The Packers had a bad draft as it looks now but we all know that could change real quick if Love is good.

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The last time the Bears had at least one pick in each of the first three rounds of the draft was 2016. They have gone four drafts now without a full bucket of top one-hundred picks. That's a recipe for disaster.

That draft was terrible.
Leonard Floyd
Cody Whitehair
Jonathan Bullard (uniquely bad pick)
Nick Kwiatkoski
Deon Bush
Deiondre Hall
Jordan Howard (his best pick of this draft)
Deandre Houston-Carson
Daniel Braverman (who i believe literally does not have a professional statistic at all but Pace thought he was a Julian Edleman type)

That's not a really bad draft though. Nine players, four of them definitely quality starters (I never got the hate for Leonard Floyd). Bush, Houston-Carson and Bullard are good rotational player or specia lteams too. The only really shitty pick was Deiondre Hall and Braverman.

I would say that's a "good" draft. No superstar talent, but you find a lot of starters who you are happy with. Howard, Floyd, Whitehair and Kwiatkowski are all good players.

Floyd is a bust. They even moved up to get him. Not a bad player, but not a move up to get him first rounder.

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The last time the Bears had at least one pick in each of the first three rounds of the draft was 2016. They have gone four drafts now without a full bucket of top one-hundred picks. That's a recipe for disaster.

That draft was terrible.
Leonard Floyd
Cody Whitehair
Jonathan Bullard (uniquely bad pick)
Nick Kwiatkoski
Deon Bush
Deiondre Hall
Jordan Howard (his best pick of this draft)
Deandre Houston-Carson
Daniel Braverman (who i believe literally does not have a professional statistic at all but Pace thought he was a Julian Edleman type)

That's not a really bad draft though. Nine players, four of them definitely quality starters (I never got the hate for Leonard Floyd). Bush, Houston-Carson and Bullard are good rotational player or specia lteams too. The only really shitty pick was Deiondre Hall and Braverman.

I would say that's a "good" draft. No superstar talent, but you find a lot of starters who you are happy with. Howard, Floyd, Whitehair and Kwiatkowski are all good players.



It was a decent draft. The problem throughout his drafts, though, are the fact that he didn't draft offensive linemen. I really do not know what the hell is wrong with this guy but he really has fucked up the offense in his tenure here.

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Floyd is a bust. They even moved up to get him. Not a bad player, but not a move up to get him first rounder.

Floyd was statistically unproductive. Great against the run and in coverage and had his moments in the rush. We downgraded when we replaced him with Quinn.

He really surprised me in a lot of ways. I expected him to be kind of a soft-type of end who would shy away getting too involved but nah, he was like the total opposite. He almost never got blown off the ball or pushed back. We'll miss him.


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If the Bears miss Floyd, they are in trouble.


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The league is careening back towards running the ball. Guys like Floyd are really more valuable than ever.

Well not EVER, but in recent memory.


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The league is careening back towards running the ball. Guys like Floyd are really more valuable than ever.

Well not EVER, but in recent memory.

That’s why the Packers may have had a good draft.

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The league is careening back towards running the ball. Guys like Floyd are really more valuable than ever.

Well not EVER, but in recent memory.

That’s why the Packers may have had a good draft.

Running the ball wasn't a problem for them last year, it was stopping the run.

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The league is careening back towards running the ball. Guys like Floyd are really more valuable than ever.

Well not EVER, but in recent memory.

That’s why the Packers may have had a good draft.

Running the ball wasn't a problem for them last year, it was stopping the run.

They couldn’t consistently move the ball against SF in either matchup. This should help with that.

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The league is careening back towards running the ball. Guys like Floyd are really more valuable than ever.

Well not EVER, but in recent memory.

That’s why the Packers may have had a good draft.

Running the ball wasn't a problem for them last year, it was stopping the run.

They couldn’t consistently move the ball against SF in either matchup. This should help with that.

So you think Dillon is the starting RB this season?

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The league is careening back towards running the ball. Guys like Floyd are really more valuable than ever.

Well not EVER, but in recent memory.

That’s why the Packers may have had a good draft.

Running the ball wasn't a problem for them last year, it was stopping the run.

They couldn’t consistently move the ball against SF in either matchup. This should help with that.

So you think Dillon is the starting RB this season?

By 2021 I think he will be. I think he’ll contribute a lot this season. 10-12 touches a game.

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A Packer friend of mine said the Dillon pick is a homerun, he is the next Emmitt Smith. So you got that going for you. Of course this is the same guy who has posted probably 50 mock drafts on those simulators over the last 3 weeks. And on one of those mock drafts he had two of the OL guys right that the Pack actually selected, so he is doing a victory lap bragging about his GM skills.

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how about stop fucking trading away the next year to fill holes in the current year. i mean a 5th for a 4th. it would be nice to head in to a draft with 12 picks... its not only the bad teams who amassed picks this year


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A Packer friend of mine said the Dillon pick is a homerun, he is the next Emmitt Smith. So you got that going for you. Of course this is the same guy who has posted probably 50 mock drafts on those simulators over the last 3 weeks. And on one of those mock drafts he had two of the OL guys right that the Pack actually selected, so he is doing a victory lap bragging about his GM skills.

Dillon could be special. Rare size/speed combo.

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how about stop fucking trading away the next year to fill holes in the current year. i mean a 5th for a 4th. it would be nice to head in to a draft with 12 picks... its not only the bad teams who amassed picks this year


Operating the draft like you’re the Patriots when you’re more like the Bengals is ridiculous.

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Umm, yeah, trading away your first round picks kind of precludes having a full draft class. It also obviously decreases your chances of drafting a star player at a manageable price.

You can still draft seven or eight players without a first round pick. Bears had offers for 2.43 and 2.50 this year, even just one of those trades would've meant one more player. Why did they need to give up a 2020 fourth to get Montgomery (who kinda wound up being bad) last year?

Besides, what point are you trying to make? That these trade-ups are good?


:?:

You have historically liked the tradeups and only now seem to be concerned about their cost because the trades didn't work out like you thought they would.

Keep in mind that this shift in your views has occurred only a few days after you urged the Bears to trade up in the 2020 draft so they could select Justin Herbert.

I appreciate prolific posters like you who keep conversations moving forward.

But sometimes your sudden changes in direction make you sound like a hysteric with a damaged short-term memory.

So this is really you wanting to make some personal comment on me. If you want to do that you can, but maybe a PM (I wont read it so dont bother) or another thread? There are other places. Dont cloud it in some sort of draft commentary.


Don't get pissy with me because you can't hold a thought in your head for more than a few days without directly contradicting it.

Coherence is a good thing. And while you may vehemently disagree with this view today, I'm sure you'll enthusiastically endorse it tomorrow.

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I'm not getting pissy with you. But really, there's plenty of corona virus talk dominating the board for you to vent your angst over. Leave the football out of it, if being a fan is really this serious of business for you, then I'm actually sorry.


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Does Pace seem like the type that would stand up to a coach that is fighting for a player? Some of these coaches think they can coach up anyone and its a GM's job to save them from themselves.


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Does Pace seem like the type that would stand up to a coach that is fighting for a player? Some of these coaches think they can coach up anyone and its a GM's job to save them from themselves.


No way. Pace is a "consensus" guy.


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I really wanna know how that Kerrith Whyte thing went down. Did Nagy or Pace reject him?


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Maybe the Bears will hire Daniel Jeremiah. He's expected to be the next TV draft analyst that gets a GM job.


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how about stop fucking trading away the next year to fill holes in the current year. i mean a 5th for a 4th. it would be nice to head in to a draft with 12 picks... its not only the bad teams who amassed picks this year


That's what is killing this team, I was hoping ownership told him no more giving away picks.

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Floyd was a bust, he'll never be on a better situation than he was here..and looked below average.

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He is bad at the draft.


Evidence supports this statement much more than any Bear fan would like to admit.

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Next year's picks will be more valuable because of the number of players that will be in the supplemental. I'm sure Pace took that into consideration...


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