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Would have been smart to draft Hurts, I don't think Nagy was ever a believer in Mitch.

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Would have been smart to draft Hurts, I don't think Nagy was ever a believer in Mitch.

He should thank him for his coach of the year trophy.

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Would have been smart to draft Hurts, I don't think Nagy was ever a believer in Mitch.

He should thank him for his coach of the year trophy.


Absolute crap. It was an excellent d that year. The d regressed to good last year which exposed the putrid offense.

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Would have been smart to draft Hurts, I don't think Nagy was ever a believer in Mitch.

He should thank him for his coach of the year trophy.


I think that Nagy is to be blamed quite a bit for not developing (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky a bit and sort of using him as his personal whipping boy. I guess his mind set is to blame (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky for the offense's failure and not to consider his inept play calling. (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky has never been developed. He's a very good athlete yet they don't let him use his legs as a weapon, especially considering how bad his offensive linemen are.

I guess that Nagy will face increased scrutiny by the fans this season when he puts Foles in as the starting qb. In Foles he has a proven commodity in the position as a guy who has won a Super Bowl. Lets see how he does with those fat tubs of goo called Offensive Tackles and who knows at guard. I think that Foles will get maimed out there. I hope he doesn't but I just do not see this offense succeeding with Foles or anyone else at QB.

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Would have been smart to draft Hurts, I don't think Nagy was ever a believer in Mitch.

He should thank him for his coach of the year trophy.


Absolute crap. It was an excellent d that year. The d regressed to good last year which exposed the putrid offense.


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Would have been smart to draft Hurts, I don't think Nagy was ever a believer in Mitch.

He should thank him for his coach of the year trophy.


Absolute crap. It was an excellent d that year. The d regressed to good last year which exposed the putrid offense.

(Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky was pretty good too especially for a second year player. Your hate for him clouds your judgement.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Would have been smart to draft Hurts, I don't think Nagy was ever a believer in Mitch.

He should thank him for his coach of the year trophy.


Absolute crap. It was an excellent d that year. The d regressed to good last year which exposed the putrid offense.

(Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky was pretty good too especially for a second year player. Your hate for him clouds your judgement.


He was Mr. Inconsistency in 2018. He had some REALLY good games, but also had some horrible games. Our defense allowed him to have those horrible games and still finish 12-4.


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I think my judgement is fine given I was skeptical of him to start with and then called him a bust after the third or fourth game of this season. Since then the Bears have possibly traded for his replacement and are slow to pick up his option. He's thankfully on his way out eight months too late. Pretty clear I've been fine here.

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I think my judgement is fine given I was skeptical of him to start with and then called him a bust after the third or fourth game of this season. Since then the Bears have possibly traded for his replacement and are slow to pick up his option. He's thankfully on his way out eight months too late. Pretty clear I've been fine here.


Foles is a decent short term band aid replacement.... definitely not a long term solution.


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I think my judgement is fine given I was skeptical of him to start with and then called him a bust after the third or fourth game of this season. Since then the Bears have possibly traded for his replacement and are slow to pick up his option. He's thankfully on his way out eight months too late. Pretty clear I've been fine here.

You wanted him gone right now. You were further off than most people. Everyone wanted competition for him.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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I think my judgement is fine given I was skeptical of him to start with and then called him a bust after the third or fourth game of this season. Since then the Bears have possibly traded for his replacement and are slow to pick up his option. He's thankfully on his way out eight months too late. Pretty clear I've been fine here.

You wanted him gone right now. You were further off than most people. Everyone wanted competition for him.


Had we made a move mid-season to get someone else then we'd win 10 games at least. The difference between 8-8 and 10-6 was having a QB capable of moving the team down the field for at least 20 more points over the course of five losses in particular. It was correct to want him gone.

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veganfan21 wrote:
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I think my judgement is fine given I was skeptical of him to start with and then called him a bust after the third or fourth game of this season. Since then the Bears have possibly traded for his replacement and are slow to pick up his option. He's thankfully on his way out eight months too late. Pretty clear I've been fine here.

You wanted him gone right now. You were further off than most people. Everyone wanted competition for him.


Had we made a move mid-season to get someone else then we'd win 10 games at least. The difference between 8-8 and 10-6 was having a QB capable of moving the team down the field for at least 20 more points over the course of five losses in particular. It was correct to want him gone.


He struggles to, or is unable to read varying zone defenses.

He was pulled from the Rams game for a poor performance. That hip story was a crock of shit.

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veganfan21 wrote:
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I think my judgement is fine given I was skeptical of him to start with and then called him a bust after the third or fourth game of this season. Since then the Bears have possibly traded for his replacement and are slow to pick up his option. He's thankfully on his way out eight months too late. Pretty clear I've been fine here.

You wanted him gone right now. You were further off than most people. Everyone wanted competition for him.


Had we made a move mid-season to get someone else then we'd win 10 games at least. The difference between 8-8 and 10-6 was having a QB capable of moving the team down the field for at least 20 more points over the course of five losses in particular. It was correct to want him gone.


I totally disagree. He was pretty hobbled at the beginning of the year. The offensive line was a shambles all last year and there was also no running game. I think that you will be totally disappointed next season with the offense while Foles is their quarterback. Are you going to blame Foles for it like you blame (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky when it happens? :eye: :eye: :eye:

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Seacrest wrote:
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
veganfan21 wrote:
I think my judgement is fine given I was skeptical of him to start with and then called him a bust after the third or fourth game of this season. Since then the Bears have possibly traded for his replacement and are slow to pick up his option. He's thankfully on his way out eight months too late. Pretty clear I've been fine here.

You wanted him gone right now. You were further off than most people. Everyone wanted competition for him.


Had we made a move mid-season to get someone else then we'd win 10 games at least. The difference between 8-8 and 10-6 was having a QB capable of moving the team down the field for at least 20 more points over the course of five losses in particular. It was correct to want him gone.


He struggles to, or is unable to read varying zone defenses.

He was pulled from the Rams game for a poor performance. That hip story was a crock of shit.


Correct - he can't read at all or throw with precision. Biggest bust in Chicago sports history given where was drafted and the trade. Thanks, Pace. Still can't believe he's got ardent supporters here simply because keeping him around doesn't cost much. That's like keeping expired milk in the fridge because it's not taking up space you need at the moment.

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The Hawk wrote:
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veganfan21 wrote:
I think my judgement is fine given I was skeptical of him to start with and then called him a bust after the third or fourth game of this season. Since then the Bears have possibly traded for his replacement and are slow to pick up his option. He's thankfully on his way out eight months too late. Pretty clear I've been fine here.

You wanted him gone right now. You were further off than most people. Everyone wanted competition for him.


Had we made a move mid-season to get someone else then we'd win 10 games at least. The difference between 8-8 and 10-6 was having a QB capable of moving the team down the field for at least 20 more points over the course of five losses in particular. It was correct to want him gone.


I totally disagree. He was pretty hobbled at the beginning of the year. The offensive line was a shambles all last year and there was also no running game. I think that you will be totally disappointed next season with the offense while Foles is their quarterback. Are you going to blame Foles for it like you blame (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky when it happens? :eye: :eye: :eye:


I know you disagree - you have blind faith in (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky so your positions aren't that reasonable or supportable. You just state things about him.

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veganfan21 wrote:
Seacrest wrote:
veganfan21 wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
veganfan21 wrote:
I think my judgement is fine given I was skeptical of him to start with and then called him a bust after the third or fourth game of this season. Since then the Bears have possibly traded for his replacement and are slow to pick up his option. He's thankfully on his way out eight months too late. Pretty clear I've been fine here.

You wanted him gone right now. You were further off than most people. Everyone wanted competition for him.


Had we made a move mid-season to get someone else then we'd win 10 games at least. The difference between 8-8 and 10-6 was having a QB capable of moving the team down the field for at least 20 more points over the course of five losses in particular. It was correct to want him gone.


He struggles to, or is unable to read varying zone defenses.

He was pulled from the Rams game for a poor performance. That hip story was a crock of shit.


Correct - he can't read at all or throw with precision. Biggest bust in Chicago sports history given where was drafted and the trade. Thanks, Pace. Still can't believe he's got ardent supporters here simply because keeping him around doesn't cost much. That's like keeping expired milk in the fridge because it's not taking up space you need at the moment.


Curtis Enis (considering we were torn between drafting him and Randy Moss), and Cade McNown come close.


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He is not the biggest bust in Chicago sports history, not even the biggest bust in Chicago Bear history.

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PortageP_Chi wrote:
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veganfan21 wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
veganfan21 wrote:
I think my judgement is fine given I was skeptical of him to start with and then called him a bust after the third or fourth game of this season. Since then the Bears have possibly traded for his replacement and are slow to pick up his option. He's thankfully on his way out eight months too late. Pretty clear I've been fine here.

You wanted him gone right now. You were further off than most people. Everyone wanted competition for him.


Had we made a move mid-season to get someone else then we'd win 10 games at least. The difference between 8-8 and 10-6 was having a QB capable of moving the team down the field for at least 20 more points over the course of five losses in particular. It was correct to want him gone.


He struggles to, or is unable to read varying zone defenses.

He was pulled from the Rams game for a poor performance. That hip story was a crock of shit.


Correct - he can't read at all or throw with precision. Biggest bust in Chicago sports history given where was drafted and the trade. Thanks, Pace. Still can't believe he's got ardent supporters here simply because keeping him around doesn't cost much. That's like keeping expired milk in the fridge because it's not taking up space you need at the moment.


Curtis Enis (consider we were torn between drafting him and Randy Moss), and Cade McNown come close.


(Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky was drafted higher.

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At least (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky had SOME minimal success. The other 2 were just flat out horrible.


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He is not the biggest bust in Chicago sports history, not even the biggest bust in Chicago Bear history.


Let's hear your case against.

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Conclusion: bust

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He is not the biggest bust in Chicago sports history, not even the biggest bust in Chicago Bear history.


Let's hear your case against.

Cost:

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Return:

uneven second year
dogshit third year
possibly benched during the fourth year or part-time starter

Conclusion: bust


He has absolutely not been the player that we all hoped he would be. But he is a not a bust. He was the QB of a team that won the division and went to the playoffs.

Busts are players like Kevin White, David Terrill, Stan Thomas that never do anything worthy of note.

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(Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky would be an all-pro if he got drafted by the Chiefs.

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RFDC wrote:
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He is not the biggest bust in Chicago sports history, not even the biggest bust in Chicago Bear history.


Let's hear your case against.

Cost:

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Fourth rounder

Return:

uneven second year
dogshit third year
possibly benched during the fourth year or part-time starter

Conclusion: bust


He has absolutely not been the player that we all hoped he would be. But he is a not a bust. He was the QB of a team that won the division and went to the playoffs.

Busts are players like Kevin White, David Terrill, Stan Thomas that never do anything worthy of note.


As discussed above, the key driver of the playoff run was an outstanding defense. The second they regressed the team went down the drain. And even though the regression was minimal (they still were a top 5-7 defense this year), the putrid play of (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky this time was the key driver behind missing the postseason. Again, you know this, they lost games to teams that scored 10 points and 17 points (x2). You didn't have to score much to beat the Bears. As GB said, all you had to do was "let (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky play QB." That means he's useless which to me makes him clearly a bust.

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RFDC wrote:
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RFDC wrote:
He is not the biggest bust in Chicago sports history, not even the biggest bust in Chicago Bear history.


Let's hear your case against.

Cost:

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Third rounder
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Return:

uneven second year
dogshit third year
possibly benched during the fourth year or part-time starter

Conclusion: bust


He has absolutely not been the player that we all hoped he would be. But he is a not a bust. He was the QB of a team that won the division and went to the playoffs.

Busts are players like Kevin White, David Terrill, Stan Thomas that never do anything worthy of note.

Curtis Enis and Cade McNown are probably 1 and 2.


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(Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky would be an all-pro if he got drafted by the Chiefs.


Do you think he deserves a statue outside of Soldier Field today?

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veganfan21 wrote:
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He is not the biggest bust in Chicago sports history, not even the biggest bust in Chicago Bear history.


Let's hear your case against.

Cost:

2nd overall pick
Third rounder
Third rounder
Fourth rounder

Return:

uneven second year
dogshit third year
possibly benched during the fourth year or part-time starter

Conclusion: bust


He has absolutely not been the player that we all hoped he would be. But he is a not a bust. He was the QB of a team that won the division and went to the playoffs.

Busts are players like Kevin White, David Terrill, Stan Thomas that never do anything worthy of note.


As discussed above, the key driver of the playoff run was an outstanding defense. The second they regressed the team went down the drain. And even though the regression was minimal (they still were a top 5-7 defense this year), the putrid play of (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky this time was the key driver behind missing the postseason. Again, you know this, they lost games to teams that scored 10 points and 17 points (x2). You didn't have to score much to beat the Bears. As GB said, all you had to do was "let (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky play QB." That means he's useless which to me makes him clearly a bust.


I am in no way saying he has been good. I just do not see him as a bust. He played meaningful games as the QB. That is not a bust.

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veganfan21 wrote:
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(Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky would be an all-pro if he got drafted by the Chiefs.


Do you think he deserves a statue outside of Soldier Field today?


He deserves a statue in Pace's basement.


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RFDC wrote:
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RFDC wrote:
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He is not the biggest bust in Chicago sports history, not even the biggest bust in Chicago Bear history.


Let's hear your case against.

Cost:

2nd overall pick
Third rounder
Third rounder
Fourth rounder

Return:

uneven second year
dogshit third year
possibly benched during the fourth year or part-time starter

Conclusion: bust


He has absolutely not been the player that we all hoped he would be. But he is a not a bust. He was the QB of a team that won the division and went to the playoffs.

Busts are players like Kevin White, David Terrill, Stan Thomas that never do anything worthy of note.


As discussed above, the key driver of the playoff run was an outstanding defense. The second they regressed the team went down the drain. And even though the regression was minimal (they still were a top 5-7 defense this year), the putrid play of (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky this time was the key driver behind missing the postseason. Again, you know this, they lost games to teams that scored 10 points and 17 points (x2). You didn't have to score much to beat the Bears. As GB said, all you had to do was "let (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky play QB." That means he's useless which to me makes him clearly a bust.


I am in no way saying he has been good. I just do not see him as a bust. He played meaningful games as the QB. That is not a bust.

Is Mark Sanchez a bust? Blake Bortles? RGIII? Christian Ponder? These QBs played "meaningful" :roll: games...


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(Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky would be an all-pro if he got drafted by the Chiefs.


Do you think he deserves a statue outside of Soldier Field today?


Come-on. I say that you are not reasonable in ignoring all of the deficiencies about the people other than Mitch that are some real causes of the ineptness of the offense. Throwing in Foles, a Super Bowl winner , isn't going to solve anything for the Bears. What I also know is that Pace and Nagy should have already been fired for their decisions as coach and general manager.

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RFDC wrote:
veganfan21 wrote:
RFDC wrote:
He is not the biggest bust in Chicago sports history, not even the biggest bust in Chicago Bear history.


Let's hear your case against.

Cost:

2nd overall pick
Third rounder
Third rounder
Fourth rounder

Return:

uneven second year
dogshit third year
possibly benched during the fourth year or part-time starter

Conclusion: bust


He has absolutely not been the player that we all hoped he would be. But he is a not a bust. He was the QB of a team that won the division and went to the playoffs.



My concern is that we cut him, and find out it was Nagy all along.

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