Packers had a horrible draft. Worst draft in the division. Vikings had the best draft, Lions did good.

Nobody knows how anybody did yet

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Obviously no one knows how anyone did until mid-season. In terms of addressing needs and where their players were drafted, Packers had a horrible draft. Which is why there are DRAFT grades, and MID-SEASON grades.

Drafting for need is rarely smart. If the Packers got good players they had a good draft. Nobody knows how any of these teams did yet.

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per your criteria a lot of teams failed.

Unless you a team that is right there in the heart of your Super Bowl window or you're looking for a quarterback you should never draft for need. Actually, if you want to find a spot where Ryan Pace's career took its turn it may be when he started to feel pressured to draft certain positions.

This is my position. I thought your position is that there's no luck involved in drafts.

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You’re confusing the two. Nobody knows how these picks will turn out but that doesn’t mean it was luck. Certain GMs are better at drafting than others.

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I used to have this kind of mystical view of scouting but its really softened. You can just watch guys and see big differences in them, with YouTube its super easy to queue up a roll of a great pro player's college highlights compared to that of a recent draftee. There is definitely something to it, its not some sort of fuzzy science. The two biggest wild cards are whether players can handle the pressure and speed of being a pro, and then whether they will be able to still put in all the work that it takes while also being paid a lot of money.

How are GMs better at drafting than others if no one knows how the picks will turn out?

There's certainly credit to be given to a GM who fixates on someone, moves up/down to get him, and then sees that player turn into a star. But I'm not going to call KC's GM a genius because Chicago was dumb enough to draft some guy with 12 games on tape from a basketball school over Mahomes.

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Its very strange what's going on in Green Bay unless they have a plan to unload Rodgers. He looks like he has at least 3 good years left in him so why they're drafting Rashan Gary and Jordan Love is beyond me. When I watch the Packers I see Rodgers playing with guys that can't get open or win contested plays. Great QB's like Rodgers and Manning make front offices think they're smarter than they really are.

It usually takes around 3 years to fully grade a draft. Maybe even 4. Unless your just cutting guys a year or two in.

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It's a perfectly timed move, like Rogers ~ Farve.

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That was a different era though. QB has never been easier than it is today. QB's and receivers can barely be touched anymore. Mahomes played the final game of his rookie season. This move is way early. Are the Packers better next season with Tee Higgins or Jordan Love? The Saints are in a similar position and they're still going for it. I don't care...I have no feelings towards the Packers it just seems strange they made this move now.

Agreed it’s strange but you can never devote to many resources into QB. It’s too important. If Rodgers goes down again I’d certainly like seeing Love more than Tim Boyle

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Whitehair was by far the best pick.

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...which succinctly explains why that draft sucked.

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Probably. This year will tell a lot after Nick Kwiatkowski gets a full year of playing a regular role.

I also add that you need to find guys who love football. There are plenty of ultra talented Eric Ebrons out there who, if they just cared about their craft, could be great but are happy to collect a paycheck for 10 years being OK. You get the Burton types hiding behind a general diagnosis of mental illness because they got their money and don't want to put themselves in danger over a stupid game so they get the fibromialgia of the psychological world.

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Absolutely. And if you cant find a guy like George Kittle who just lives and breathes football then find someone who is just a mean motherfucker with bad intentions who needs the game so he get that energy out.

Its another thing to be wary of with the Kmet pick. Is a baseball player like that really going to still be in love with football after his first game dealing with Harrison Smith?

I've got high hopes. We've had the worst linebackers in the league for quite some time. Last season QB's had a perfect rating vs. our linebackers in something like 12 games. They were just as bad in rush defense. Now we have 2 guys that are smart and fast. I think Kwiatkoski's speed is underrated...he ran the same time as Littleton at the combine. He'll be wearing the green dot so it will be refreshing to see our defense actually line up correctly instead of waving their arms and running around in circles before the snap.

He's underrated in coverage, but that doesn't necessarily mean he's great in coverage. He definitley has gotten better every year, there's no doubt about that. His best trait by far is his blitzing ability, he's elite as an interior blitzer.

I am really let down that Trevathan was brought back instead of him. The Bears developed the guy for four years into a good linebacker and now, at the doorstep of what I think could be a Pro Bowl caliber year for Kwiatkowski, they let him walk.

I agree even though I believe Whitehair is a Pro Bowl guard.

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Starting caliber edge player, above-average quality starting guard (I think Whitehair would really shine if he was surrounded with better talent), a pro bowl quality runningback for a year or two and a guy who developed into a good middle linebacker (who is still getting better). Then two quality special teams players. Even Bullard was effective in the rotation.

The only two true busts were Hall and Braverman.

That's a damn good draft I dont care what anyone says.

Kwiatkowski developed into a quality player. The Bears traded up to get a serviceable edge rusher that can only sack Rodgers. Not sure if I'm willing to call it a good draft just because a few guys can still play in the NFL. I guess compared to what we had been getting it was good.

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VIRGINIA I beg you to please stop employing GMs like this!!!!

FFS stop!!!

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