Yeah I don't know about that. I think he is who he is no matter the coach. He is somewhat like Grossman. Had some good moments along the way, but was never able to become the QB many hoped. So I guess Foles is like the next Kyle Orton.

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
--yet I can't look away."

Looks like we will find out after next year.

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(Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is very certainly the biggest bust in franchise history. And while Nagy sucks, I dont think he's the entirety of the problem.

Trubinsky is dumb. Nagy's shit is too complicated for him. Dumb guys can still do well. Just need someone hand hold and whisper what to do like Goff (another dumb guy).

Tomorrow you will be telling us how Tribusky is going to be the comeback player of the year.

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
--yet I can't look away."

(Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky could probably do ok in a very simple offensive scheme as a game manager. But it's Year 4 and there are still questions about his ability to read a defense.

Yeah, I know. I just think that he was on a fairly good development curve until last season where the Bear's offense took a big shit and everyone pretty much blamed (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky. I think he was hurt. Terry Bradshaw commented on it last season as did other announcers. I think he was hurt and that the Bear's covered it up. All that I do know for a fact, though, is that the Bear's have a terrible offensive line including a dozen tight ends that cannot block worth a shit and no quarterback in the world can fix that problem. The Bears are doomed and it is too bad because they wasted a damned good defense in the process.

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Oh, he might have went on livin'
But he made one fatal slip
When he tried to match the Ranger
With the big iron on his hip

Just look at this objectively. The Bears have not picked in the top three much. Only Benson and Enis are really competing with Mitch for King of the Busts.

Sorry, but no one comes close to Cade McNown as King of the Busts in Bears history.

Not a draft but Mirer trade was really bad.

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Eleventh overall. No notable QB's selected in the first round after him.

(Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky was second overall and the best quarterback was picked ten picks after him.

I actually dont fault Pace massively on the (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky miss though. To me its the cheap way to fault him, because I dont actually really doubt his scouting prowess much at all.

I guess we judge "busts" in different ways.

For me, (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky actually produced, and got us some wins and a playoff appearance. Also, (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky would have been more of a bust if he was the CONSENSUS top QB. He was over drafted and is not considered as big of a bust because no one else placed him as high as we did. If he was ranked higher by everyone else, he would be more of a bust. He is more of a bust, because Pace made him a bust, not because he did not live up to a hype, which was overblown by Pace alone. If he was ranked as top QB by every team, and produced how he has, I would agree that he is more of a bust.

(Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky - 41 games, 23 wins, 18 losses, 48 TDs, 29 Ints, 85.8 rating, 1 playoff appearance
McNown - 15 games, 3 wins, 12 losses, 16 TDs, 19 Ints, 67.7 rating

The D won 90% of (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky wins. He's a massive bustout. It would be easier to swallow if not for the trade up. I still think Pace is a moron, he can't wheel n deal.

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Definitely agree that he is a massive bust and D won most of the games, but I just don't agree he is the biggest bust in Bears history.

Considering what we gave up..he's easily the biggest buster.

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If you judge busts solely on how much we gave up to acquire them, then yes, (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is the biggest bust.

If you judge busts on where they were drafted, and how horribly they played, then Cade McNown or Curtis Enis would be the biggest bust.

Mitch was drafted before both of them, and we gave up picks to move from three to two.

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That was my point. If you judge how much we gave up to get them, then (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is the biggest bust, but not when it comes to how bad they were.

True, McNown was drafted a bit later, 11th overall, but compare their stats. Without taking into account how much we gave up to get them, and solely on their performance and considering they were both 1st round selections in the top 15, McNown was much, much worse.

You don't hold it against a player for what was given up for him. That's not his fault.

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Exactly. My point is at least (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky hung around here for 3+ seasons, kept us in games and had a playoff appearance. Our defense played a huge part in that, but he was a decent game manager at times.

Cade McNown was 12th overall, only started 15 games in 2 seasons, and finished with a 3-12 record and a 67.7 rating.

Curtis Enis was drafted 5th overall, only started 18 games with a 3.2 YPC.

It's not any players fault where they were drafted, but biggest bust takes both into account.

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I do not believe how much we gave up for (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky outweighs how horrible McNown and Enis were in comparison to (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky on the field.

It's at least partially their fault where they are drafted. I don't he told Pace to trade a bunch of picks to move up one spot. He probably told him to draft him.

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A generational quarterback went in the same draft as (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky. The gap between what happened vs. what could have been is among the greatest ever in NFL history. (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky isn't just the biggest bust in Bears history, he's among the biggest busts in NFL history. He may go down as the biggest bust of the modern era since he was taken over Mahomes.

Even ignoring the dumb trade, (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky at 3 is a bust.

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Kyrie Irving will never win anything as a team's alpha: check
T.rubisky is a bust: check
Ben Simmons is a liability: check
The Fields Cult is dumb: double check

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I am actually struggling to think of a bigger bust than (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky since 2000. Russell is the obvious one, but the likes Pat Mahomes and Deshaun Watson weren't drafted the same year as Russell. The only other first round QB that year was Brady Quinn...so its not like the Raiders are kicking themselves over what may have been that much.

It depends on if you look at picks in a vacuum (i.e. the pick itself and what number) vs who was drafted after the pick. The latter is inherently revisionist to me. If you take the first definition then there have been plenty of busts. Tim Couch, Akili Smith, Jemarcus Russell, etc.

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Kyrie Irving will never win anything as a team's alpha: check
T.rubisky is a bust: check
Ben Simmons is a liability: check
The Fields Cult is dumb: double check

2013 CSFMB ROY

Brady Quinn, Akili Smith, Jamarcus Russell, Winston, Mariota....they all had some opposition / prediction of not being NFL eliite QB's.

Tim Couch is a good call. He was a bust. Mitch is a tough one...as a Bears fan of course it's a bust, but nationally there was no shortage of writers questioning has resume.

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I'm a Mitch hater but to be fair to him there was no consensus best QB in that draft. I personally didn't want him because of his short history at UNC, he didn't even beat out the competition to start there at first, and what QBs really go to UNC/ACC anyway.

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Kyrie Irving will never win anything as a team's alpha: check
T.rubisky is a bust: check
Ben Simmons is a liability: check
The Fields Cult is dumb: double check

2013 CSFMB ROY

That's right. I also do not begrudge the money paid to these guys either. I judge guys on what they do on the field as well as their treatment of other people. (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky , to me, has worked hard on the field despite a pathetic offensive line and lack of a running game. I do not think that the guy is anykind of a "bust" He's got great mobility and has used his legs to make first downs despite no blocking.

I think Pace decided to make him a whipping boy for his failure to build an offense. It didn't have to happen and shouldn't have. They had a lot of money a couple of years ago and failed in how they spent it. In a league where offense is king over-all, what the hell has he done? He's failed. It would be one thing if he had some blockers in front of Mitch and a running back who could make tough yards and break a few on occasion but they don't. So how can anyone call this guy a BUST? He's young and will probably be riding the bench. I don't wish Foles any bad luck but I still am rooting for Mitch.

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An Ode to the Texas man who shot an Antifa terrorist:

Oh, he might have went on livin'
But he made one fatal slip
When he tried to match the Ranger
With the big iron on his hip