Right. The disconnect is they aren’t burning the flag or disrespecting it. A Green Beret specifically counseled Kap on kneeling being the best way to silently protest while not disrespecting the anthem or the flag.

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The right way to view Kaepernick from day one was as a cheap opportunist who's on-field career was clearly over and resorted to picking at racial scabs to stay relevant. What he didn't wasn't in itself disrespectful, except I guess to our collective ability to call people on their obvious bullshit. Which let's be fair Americans are about as good at that as they losing weight.

Either that’s wrong, or he’s spent millions of his own dollars and a lot of his own time supporting the facade which, whatever at the end of the day it’s still a good cause. Don’t get this argument.

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Dude's a brand sell out. From day one this is what it was about. It was all a work.

Racial equality brought to you by Nike. Get back to work Ling or you get the stick again.

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So? That's one Green Beret's opinion. His opinion is shared and not shared by millions. I'd bet there are millions that don't give a crap what he does. They all have the right to believe whatever they believe. The NBA bans it, why?

So a Green Beret’s opinion, an honorable vet, not a shitbag, means a lot. It’s not just one man’s opinion. Even if his fellow vets disagree that voice carries weight among them.

It’s interesting because I have 100+ old Army buddies on FB and there’s been some interesting interaction. I’ve seen some good old boys change their minds a bit and I’ve seen some other ugly fights between guys who used to call each other brothers. There’s never going to be a consensus on this, even within the military

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I don't get how you can have American flag thongs and other undergarments and that's fine, but kneeling before the flag, which presupposes respect of what the flag represents, is disrespectful.
I personally wouldn't kneel but the whole thing is protesting how society in the view of some is not living up to what the flag represents, not that what the flag represents is unworthy of respect.

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It was political exploitation for both sides, look no further than FF's preceding post on it. It riled people up because that's what it was meant to do. I dont think even Kaepernick thought it would catch on as much as it did, but oh boy did he lean in once he sensed the opportunity.

All those opinions are important and valid. The disagreers are just as important voices.

I mostly agree with vegan.

The best part of the whole thing was when they asked Marshawn Lynch his thoughts on it at the time and he said something like “I don’t give a fuck dawg I sit down half the time anyway” and then multiple clips of him just sitting chillin during the anthem the previous year or two came up

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Marshawn is great.

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That's awesome. He has every right to not give a shit.

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I think we can all learn a lot from this. Many on this board should make a similar statement.

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Has Kaep ever apologized for having his opinion ?

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

Why would he?

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Exactly .

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

All opinions are not equally valid or informed.

Someone says the Earth is flat? They're a moron. It's not enlightened to give it credence.

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I hear Bernise naturally going off right now and read earlier comments here as well as listened to the Bree's comments aren't people getting it wrong generally?

For instance, Bernsie says the Kap protest was kneeling during the anthem against police brutality, BLM full stop. It was not in any way against the flag and troops etc. I see that completely and it has been discussed over and over.

So if Brees says his view of the anthem is one way and explains how he feels about the matter as well as includes he understands civil rights matters might view differently whys is it wrong.

I did not Brees say Kap is wrong and and was going to act to get him or anyone to not do it. He said he strongly disagrees. Isn't that just the definition of difference of opinion?

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I don't get the hate toward Brees. He just said he doesn't believe in disrespecting the flag. Nothing wrong with that.

He's entitled to his opinion. Just because Lebron and others who have criticized him have a different opinion doesn't mean they are right or have the upper moral ground. If anything, they are showing their intolerance, which is fascist in of itself. They are guilty of what they are accusing.

This is a fair viewpoint and respectful of the differing opinions of others.

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That was my initial feeling and appreciate what you wrote even though to vegan. I have to say I can't do this today if there is some sort of making this entire matter about Brees. You can fill us in RR but wasn't he a champion of the majority of New Orleans people in the Katrina times?

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Some people generally don't get it. One random this morning, responding to Sportscenter's post about Stephen Jackson's video about Brees, said 'Respect for America and the flag comes #1. What did America ever do to you?'

No one wants to be held responsible for the sins of the father, and they shouldn't be. But you just can't pretend they didn't happen either. And while I've always believed, to some extent, groups of people like segregating themselves and want to be their own, unique identity... no one can honestly claim that the established systems aren't more difficult on some people than other people. And race is one of those determining factors.

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Does Lebron even realize that what the flag represents in liberty is what gives him the right to have an opinion and to express his views?

See Buddy I think it it people that share your opinion that are doing some conflating of the anthem thing. If as Kap said it is not about flag or anthem and it was a tool to bring attention to his cause. Then being against his choice of tool doesn't automatically dismiss his cause, sins of the father etc etc.

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Do you even realize that to many, the flag doesn't represent that at all, or better yet, that a few stitched together pieces of cloth isn't what gives him those rights?

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That also makes it an impactful thing to protest with. If the freedom fighters storming the state capitol of Michigan with guns can basically use it as a prop then so can Kaepernick.

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