If the owners did nothing wrong, they have nothing to worry about in terms of a grievance. Just set the schedule and get started.

The owners fucked up. That's really all there is to it. Don't sign shit and recant. Don't then try to RE-negotiate in bad faith. It's out in public they want as few regular season games as possible. Their BUSINESS is GAMES. The don't want GAMES.

Bans on mass gatherings and travel restrictions must be lifted — allowing games to be played in front of fans while offering profitable avenues for teams in the form of gate receipts and concessions. There is a chance, however, that teams in heavily affected areas would have to play their games on neutral sites.

Considering New York and Seattle has become the epicenter of the COVID-19 pandemic in the United States, that could mean the Mets, Yankees, and Mariners could face the possibility of playing their home games elsewhere if baseball is ready to return sooner rather than later.

While playing in front of packed stadiums is the initial hope, part of the agreement lists that the commissioner and union would still be able to revisit the idea of playing in empty stadiums.

Why would they take the chance though? It's happening naturally that time is running out for much more than 60 games anyways. Plus, they'd rather have an agreement that is better for both sides.

Yes it is.

When this is all over, which is not going to be for a while, Trump will be re-elected President.

Well they have already conceded they have to give them full prorated pay. So they stalled for two months to shorten the season as much as possible. So why should the players let them off the hook? If they did nothing wrong just implement the season and take your chances with a grievance.

Well they have already conceded they have to give them full prorated pay. So they stalled for two months to shorten the season as much as possible. So why should the players let them off the hook? If they did nothing wrong just implement the season and take your chances with a grievance.

They didn't stall anything. The union negotiated with them and continues to do so today. The league also has offered many concessions whereas the union has yet to offer a single one in response.

Still though, why would they not wait until a 50 game season is inevitable based on timing and also make a grievance far less likely to succeed because of it?

The last deal the owners offered was a good deal. Do you disagree?

Yes it is.

When this is all over, which is not going to be for a while, Trump will be re-elected President.

Well after stalling for two months they offered but as many games as you could play with the time left.

The owners are at fault. The owners have handled this poorly.
The players are not at fault, but have also handled this poorly.

You can only say the players are at fault if the owners DIDN'T hold up the season and offered to play based on current agreement. It didn't happen that way as the owners have been dicking around with this entire season and have not been negotiating in good faith.

The owners want to cancel. They're too chicken to just do it because they know there will be backlash.

Laurence Holmes is a fucking weirdo, a nerd in denial, and a wannabe. Not a very good radio host either.

The owners are at fault. The owners have handled this poorly.
The players are not at fault, but have also handled this poorly.

You can only say the players are at fault if the owners DIDN'T hold up the season and offered to play based on current agreement. It didn't happen that way as the owners have been dicking around with this entire season and have not been negotiating in good faith.

The owners want to cancel. They're too chicken to just do it because they know there will be backlash.

What was wrong with the 60 game season proposal the players seem reluctant to accept?

If you want to say both are at fault and admit that this is 99% the owner's fault and 1% the players fault, then all right

It's more fun to be a victim

There will never be an effective vaccine. I'll never get one anyway.

Jesse Rodgers out there scoopin' fools'

I have MANY years of experience in trying to appreciate steaming piles of dogshit.

I guess it is the same for everyone, but it really sucks for teams to lose a year of prime production from your core guys. The Sox have guys locked up on team friendly deals and it seems like they are going to miss out on one of those years with nothing to show for it. I guess on the positive side of that the Cubs are a year closer to being done with Heyward.

I guess it is the same for everyone, but it really sucks for teams to lose a year of prime production from your core guys. The Sox have guys locked up on team friendly deals and it seems like they are going to miss out on one of those years with nothing to show for it. I guess on the positive side of that the Cubs are a year closer to being done with Heyward.

We lose a lot of rights when we look the other way when it doesn't affect our lives or it isn't a cause we agree with.

MLB deserves its diminishing status in our culture. It can't get out of it's own way.

I have MANY years of experience in trying to appreciate steaming piles of dogshit.

Who makes up the 38 players who voted? That seems like an odd total number who voted

I have no idea how you justify the players turning that deal down.

Yeah good point. This may net help the Cubs. Not sure how the Bryant thing will play out, but that was going to be a problem all year.

I have no idea how you justify the players turning that deal down.

Has it been decided how a cancelled season affects service time? I read something about how the Mookie Betts Deal could be a disaster for L.A. if he can become a free agent in 2021 without having played a game for the Dodgers. On the other hand, both Betts and Bryant could have their free agency delayed another year - cutting their value.

Yes it is.

When this is all over, which is not going to be for a while, Trump will be re-elected President.