Well the owners could protect themselves by just continuing to offer proposals.

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Hawaii (fuck) You

What did they stand up for?

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

That is why we are down to 60 games now and why there will be a grievance filed

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Owners stepping up and still doing 60 games. Well done owners.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Where'd you read that?

Where's your link

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Don't know who this guy is but he seems upset.

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Because he's a dope. The players are going to win big after they file their grievance.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

On what grounds?

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Yeah, I don’t see the players winning. Whether you agree with the owners or not, they couldn’t have started the season much earlier than now (no other major pro league has), and they can’t play baseball in December.

They are hemmed in by circumstances and the calendar.

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They'll say the owners didn't bargain in good faith and pushed back the start of the season by basically submitting the same offer 3 or 4 times.

The start could have been July 1st. That would've added roughly 20 games.

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The players kept countering.

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I agree with Rick on this one. The players don't really seem to have a case.

No leagues have started outside of PGA, and that is a much different sport where social distancing has more or less always existed outside of fans.

The players kept countering. The MLB offer did change each time, even if it wasn't major. And there weren't any major changes to those offers because...

The March agreement highlighted the term 'economic feasibility' at least 6 times. The owners never agreed to being forced into a situation where they would lose vast quantities of money while the players...don't really give up anything at all.

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Rick Hahn is the best GM in baseball.

The wage issue. The owners kept proposing wage cuts despite a contract. There's this thing called collective bargaining. You don't get to renegotiate wages just because. The NLRB frowns upon that.

THIS.

Then there's the fact that the owners are trying to make significant changes like universal DH, expended playoffs, division re-alignment.

It's too much. This is not the time for overhauling the game. Their multiple offers were re-brands of the same shitty financial adjustment that the players rightfully were going to reject.

The correct answer was for Manfred to impose a season. Drop Inter-league play. Schedule based on Division and league only. DH stays as it is. Playoffs remain as it stands....this could have done with games starting on JULY 4. Boom.

You address playoffs and DH at the next CBA. The owners were absolute morons through all of this. The players should have made this as simple as possible and said, "impose a season schedule starting july 4 with 3 weeks of spring training and we'll be there. Save your other changes for the next CBA".

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You have to have inter league play. There are 15 teams in each league.

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Except the players were willing to discuss all that. What they weren't willing to do was discuss wages and made that clear from day one.

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I saw this at a Kane County Cougars game last summer. This is by far the dumbest sports rule I have ever seen in my life. How about we just make the pitcher throw with his other hand?

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What a terrible idea.

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I'd rather they accepted tie games than use this California Rule bull.

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

The MLB's latest offers included fully prorated player salaries and salary advancement forgiveness.

Players have asked for revenue sharing in past negotiations. Clearly players aren't averse to sharing the upside...they seemingly do not want to share the downside. There are many aspects to this that are once in a lifetime...owners were making the best decisions based on long term viability and honoring the bulk of the contracts over the life of them. How is Trout getting his $400M if MLB folds?

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The items you brought up in your first sentence were items the players have wanted. Universal DH adds 15 higher paying jobs. Division realignment helps travel schedules. Expanded playoffs is increased revenue for all, including players.

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Rick Hahn is the best GM in baseball.

The owners and players had an agreement in March. The owners decided to renege on that agreement over the past couple of months by asking the players to take a pay cut and agree to other measures that favored the owners. The players declined. The owners then decided at the 11th hour to honor the pay language in their March agreement, BUT they wanted other measures that were favorable to them. The players countered by asking for a 15% increase in games. The owners refused to counter their proposal and told the players to take their final offer or leave it. The players left it.

Why should the players give the owners more than they agreed to in March without getting any new concessions for themselves?

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Be well

GO BEARS!!!

long term viability ship has sailed. baseball is a dying sport.

They should let fans sign up before hand and be the runner for these innings. Mask and all.

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This was all part of the collective bargaining because of the pandemic. The players stayed firm on only getting prorated salaries. The owners offered other solutions that kept the salaries the same on a per game basis.

If anything, the players argued in more bad faith than the owners. The owners made concessions. The only concession the players made was to play even more games.

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Once again, the agreement in March assumed fans to be in the stands. This is an undeniable fact. The owners didn't go back on any agreement.

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