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For singling out the NBA in the same way MANY of the Anti NBA guys on here are want to do regarding their relationship with China.
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In a letter sent Tuesday to Silver, Sen. Marsha Blackburn (R-Tenn.) expressed “concern” over the NBA’s dealings with a country governed by a Communist regime that has abused human rights, squashed pro-democracy protests and hidden details on the coronavirus outbreak. Sports Illustrated obtained a copy of the two-page letter.

Blackburn is giving Silver a July 21 deadline to respond to three questions she poses at the letter’s end regarding China Central Television’s ban on NBA games, the league’s relationship with Chinese state-owned enterprise Alibaba and the league’s training center in the controversial region of Xinjiang. The relationship between China and the United States is at a “pivotal moment,” she writes, and it could eventually lead to a new Cold War.

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For singling out the NBA in the same way MANY of the Anti NBA guys on here are want to do regarding their relationship with China.
https://www.si.com/nba/2020/07/01/senat ... lationship


Nothing she said was false.


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For singling out the NBA in the same way MANY of the Anti NBA guys on here are want to do regarding their relationship with China.
https://www.si.com/nba/2020/07/01/senat ... lationship


Nothing she said was false.


Why does the NBA need to clarify its relationship with China when other entities in this country do not?

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For singling out the NBA in the same way MANY of the Anti NBA guys on here are want to do regarding their relationship with China.
https://www.si.com/nba/2020/07/01/senat ... lationship
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In a letter sent Tuesday to Silver, Sen. Marsha Blackburn (R-Tenn.) expressed “concern” over the NBA’s dealings with a country governed by a Communist regime that has abused human rights, squashed pro-democracy protests and hidden details on the coronavirus outbreak. Sports Illustrated obtained a copy of the two-page letter.

Blackburn is giving Silver a July 21 deadline to respond to three questions she poses at the letter’s end regarding China Central Television’s ban on NBA games, the league’s relationship with Chinese state-owned enterprise Alibaba and the league’s training center in the controversial region of Xinjiang. The relationship between China and the United States is at a “pivotal moment,” she writes, and it could eventually lead to a new Cold War.


It is hypocritical of the NBA.

For a politician to call someone out for hypocrisy is laughable though.

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For singling out the NBA in the same way MANY of the Anti NBA guys on here are want to do regarding their relationship with China.
https://www.si.com/nba/2020/07/01/senat ... lationship


Nothing she said was false.


Why does the NBA need to clarify its relationship with China when other entities in this country do not?

The NBA holds itself to a higher standard.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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For singling out the NBA in the same way MANY of the Anti NBA guys on here are want to do regarding their relationship with China.
https://www.si.com/nba/2020/07/01/senat ... lationship


Nothing she said was false.


Why does the NBA need to clarify its relationship with China when other entities in this country do not?

The NBA holds itself to a higher standard.


No it doesn't. They criticize certain aspects of American society. That's about it. It rankles the "America the Perfect" crowd and now certain people are coming after them. I have watched the NBA my entire life and have never gotten the impression that they were any more moral or immoral than any other sports league.
They have been a tad more inclusive than other leagues but that doesn't mean they are any more moral.

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The NBA is putting political groups and catch phrases on courts and jerseys. They are politicizing their sport. Even the UK is waking up as the labour party and broadcasters are pointing out the radical ideas of BLM.


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The NBA is putting political groups and catch phrases on courts and jerseys. They are politicizing their sport. Even the UK is waking up as the labour party and broadcasters are pointing out the radical ideas of BLM.


They also politicized it when they instructed their players to stop wearing hoodies, gold chains, and jerseys on the sideline too. Bet you didn't have an issue with that however.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
long time guy wrote:
Phil Leotardo wrote:
long time guy wrote:
For singling out the NBA in the same way MANY of the Anti NBA guys on here are want to do regarding their relationship with China.
https://www.si.com/nba/2020/07/01/senat ... lationship


Nothing she said was false.


Why does the NBA need to clarify its relationship with China when other entities in this country do not?

The NBA holds itself to a higher standard.


No it doesn't. They criticize certain aspects of American society. That's about it. It rankles the "America the Perfect" crowd and now certain people are coming after them. I have watched the NBA my entire life and have never gotten the impression that they were any more moral or immoral than any other sports league.
They have been a tad more inclusive than other leagues but that doesn't mean they are any more moral.

How about this? We shouldn't take social commentary seriously by influential NBA players while they openly court Chinese dollars. Is that fair?

LeBron is willing to go after Drew Brees and his poorly thought out comments but he isn't willing to call out the NBA for banning kneeling or China for anything and getting mad at another NBA person for saying something that cost him business meetings.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
long time guy wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
long time guy wrote:
Phil Leotardo wrote:
long time guy wrote:
For singling out the NBA in the same way MANY of the Anti NBA guys on here are want to do regarding their relationship with China.
https://www.si.com/nba/2020/07/01/senat ... lationship


Nothing she said was false.


Why does the NBA need to clarify its relationship with China when other entities in this country do not?

The NBA holds itself to a higher standard.


No it doesn't. They criticize certain aspects of American society. That's about it. It rankles the "America the Perfect" crowd and now certain people are coming after them. I have watched the NBA my entire life and have never gotten the impression that they were any more moral or immoral than any other sports league.
They have been a tad more inclusive than other leagues but that doesn't mean they are any more moral.

How about this? We shouldn't take social commentary seriously by influential NBA players while they openly court Chinese dollars. Is that fair?



So if you work for a company who has a relationship with someone who is "bad" and you doubt stand up and protest it, you don't have the right to speak out about any else? That's a strange take. When will anyone get the chance to sleep? There are always atrocities in the world that they'll need to speak out about.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
How about this? We shouldn't take social commentary seriously by influential NBA players while they openly court Chinese dollars. Is that fair?

LeBron is willing to go after Drew Brees and his poorly thought out comments but he isn't willing to call out the NBA for banning kneeling or China for anything and getting mad at another NBA person for saying something that cost him business meetings.


Donald Trump takes money from the Chinese Govt and did so well before he ran for President. Do you think that ever precluded guys such as JLN or Leotardo from voting for him? Do you think that they ever demanded that he divest from China?

As far as the players go they don't have an obligation to speak out against Chinese oppression just because they wear a black lives matter T Shirt.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
How about this? We shouldn't take social commentary seriously by influential NBA players while they openly court Chinese dollars. Is that fair?

LeBron is willing to go after Drew Brees and his poorly thought out comments but he isn't willing to call out the NBA for banning kneeling or China for anything and getting mad at another NBA person for saying something that cost him business meetings.


Donald Trump takes money from the Chinese Govt and did so well before he ran for President. Do you think that ever precluded guys such as JLN or Leotardo from voting for him? Do you think that they ever demanded that he divest from China?

As far as the players go they don't have an obligation to speak out against Chinese oppression just because they wear a black lives matter T Shirt.


It makes them hypocrites.

That's not the worst thing in the world to be, and it's understandable why they care more about people who look like they do, but the criticism is valid.

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long time guy wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
How about this? We shouldn't take social commentary seriously by influential NBA players while they openly court Chinese dollars. Is that fair?

LeBron is willing to go after Drew Brees and his poorly thought out comments but he isn't willing to call out the NBA for banning kneeling or China for anything and getting mad at another NBA person for saying something that cost him business meetings.


Donald Trump takes money from the Chinese Govt and did so well before he ran for President. Do you think that ever precluded guys such as JLN or Leotardo from voting for him? Do you think that they ever demanded that he divest from China?

As far as the players go they don't have an obligation to speak out against Chinese oppression just because they wear a black lives matter T Shirt.


It makes them hypocrites.

That's not the worst thing in the world to be, and it's understandable why they care more about people who look like they do, but the criticism is valid.


I think they care more about issues that impact their country than geopolitics. Has an American NBA player spoken out about atrocities in other countries before this year, but failed to speak out about China?

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Terry's Peeps wrote:
long time guy wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
How about this? We shouldn't take social commentary seriously by influential NBA players while they openly court Chinese dollars. Is that fair?

LeBron is willing to go after Drew Brees and his poorly thought out comments but he isn't willing to call out the NBA for banning kneeling or China for anything and getting mad at another NBA person for saying something that cost him business meetings.


Donald Trump takes money from the Chinese Govt and did so well before he ran for President. Do you think that ever precluded guys such as JLN or Leotardo from voting for him? Do you think that they ever demanded that he divest from China?

As far as the players go they don't have an obligation to speak out against Chinese oppression just because they wear a black lives matter T Shirt.


It makes them hypocrites.

That's not the worst thing in the world to be, and it's understandable why they care more about people who look like they do, but the criticism is valid.


They haven't denied that oppression exists in China. They simply haven't spoken out about it

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long time guy wrote:
Terry's Peeps wrote:
long time guy wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
How about this? We shouldn't take social commentary seriously by influential NBA players while they openly court Chinese dollars. Is that fair?

LeBron is willing to go after Drew Brees and his poorly thought out comments but he isn't willing to call out the NBA for banning kneeling or China for anything and getting mad at another NBA person for saying something that cost him business meetings.


Donald Trump takes money from the Chinese Govt and did so well before he ran for President. Do you think that ever precluded guys such as JLN or Leotardo from voting for him? Do you think that they ever demanded that he divest from China?

As far as the players go they don't have an obligation to speak out against Chinese oppression just because they wear a black lives matter T Shirt.


It makes them hypocrites.

That's not the worst thing in the world to be, and it's understandable why they care more about people who look like they do, but the criticism is valid.


They haven't denied that oppression exists in China. They simply haven't spoken out about it


Lebron didn't say Daryl Morey wasn't informed when Morey spoke up in support of Hong Kong protesters?

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Terry's Peeps wrote:
long time guy wrote:
Terry's Peeps wrote:
long time guy wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
How about this? We shouldn't take social commentary seriously by influential NBA players while they openly court Chinese dollars. Is that fair?

LeBron is willing to go after Drew Brees and his poorly thought out comments but he isn't willing to call out the NBA for banning kneeling or China for anything and getting mad at another NBA person for saying something that cost him business meetings.


Donald Trump takes money from the Chinese Govt and did so well before he ran for President. Do you think that ever precluded guys such as JLN or Leotardo from voting for him? Do you think that they ever demanded that he divest from China?

As far as the players go they don't have an obligation to speak out against Chinese oppression just because they wear a black lives matter T Shirt.


It makes them hypocrites.

That's not the worst thing in the world to be, and it's understandable why they care more about people who look like they do, but the criticism is valid.


They haven't denied that oppression exists in China. They simply haven't spoken out about it


Lebron didn't say Daryl Morey wasn't informed when Morey spoke up in support of Hong Kong protesters?


Lebron is one guy and who knows what he meant by "not informed"

He isn't the official spokesman of the NBA. If the NBA were truly offended by Chinese politics they never would have conducted business with them over 20 years ago.
Just as the U.S. has conducted business with them over the past 25-30 years.

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Terry's Peeps wrote:
long time guy wrote:
Terry's Peeps wrote:
long time guy wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
How about this? We shouldn't take social commentary seriously by influential NBA players while they openly court Chinese dollars. Is that fair?

LeBron is willing to go after Drew Brees and his poorly thought out comments but he isn't willing to call out the NBA for banning kneeling or China for anything and getting mad at another NBA person for saying something that cost him business meetings.


Donald Trump takes money from the Chinese Govt and did so well before he ran for President. Do you think that ever precluded guys such as JLN or Leotardo from voting for him? Do you think that they ever demanded that he divest from China?

As far as the players go they don't have an obligation to speak out against Chinese oppression just because they wear a black lives matter T Shirt.


It makes them hypocrites.

That's not the worst thing in the world to be, and it's understandable why they care more about people who look like they do, but the criticism is valid.


They haven't denied that oppression exists in China. They simply haven't spoken out about it


Lebron didn't say Daryl Morey wasn't informed when Morey spoke up in support of Hong Kong protesters?


Lebron is one guy and who knows what he meant by "not informed"

He isn't the official spokesman of the NBA.


He has been the face of the NBA both domestically and internationally for a decade.

His words are seen as the words of both the NBA and the NBAPA.

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Is anyone here asking why Blackburn isn't asking Trump or Walmart to clarify their views on China? Haven't heard that yet.

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She's a hypocrite.

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He has been the face of the NBA both domestically and internationally for a decade.

His words are seen as the words of both the NBA and the NBAPA.


By whom you? He isn't the official spokesman for the NBA and never has been

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If we can't admit that Lebron James is the face of the NBA then there's no point in continuing our discussion.

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If we can't admit that Lebron James is the face of the NBA then there's no point in continuing our discussion.


I clearly stated that he isn't the official spokesman for the NBA. He isn't either. That statement would have to be issued by Silver or the person that serves as the official spokesman for the league.

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So if you work for a company who has a relationship with someone who is "bad" and you doubt stand up and protest it, you don't have the right to speak out about any else? That's a strange take. When will anyone get the chance to sleep? There are always atrocities in the world that they'll need to speak out about.

The NBA and the players that are most mentioned have direct business relationships with China. I'm not talking about the hot dog vendors here.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
How about this? We shouldn't take social commentary seriously by influential NBA players while they openly court Chinese dollars. Is that fair?

LeBron is willing to go after Drew Brees and his poorly thought out comments but he isn't willing to call out the NBA for banning kneeling or China for anything and getting mad at another NBA person for saying something that cost him business meetings.


Donald Trump takes money from the Chinese Govt and did so well before he ran for President. Do you think that ever precluded guys such as JLN or Leotardo from voting for him? Do you think that they ever demanded that he divest from China?

As far as the players go they don't have an obligation to speak out against Chinese oppression just because they wear a black lives matter T Shirt.

They can do what they want but it undercuts their other messages.

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Let's use LeBron James specifically. He chose to attack Morey for speaking out about China. So, not only did LeBron not speak out himself about China but he actually fought for them to not be criticized by another member of the NBA.

He attacked Drew Brees for his misguided take on kneeling all the while the NBA specifically forbids kneeling for the anthem and no player in the NBA has kneeled because of it.

It's pretty clear, at least with LeBron James, his first calculation is about whether or not something will cost him money, and then about the social cause that he has. There's nothing inherently wrong with that. Jordan did roughly the same thing. However, he's not calling out others about their takes either.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
long time guy wrote:
Phil Leotardo wrote:
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For singling out the NBA in the same way MANY of the Anti NBA guys on here are want to do regarding their relationship with China.
https://www.si.com/nba/2020/07/01/senat ... lationship


Nothing she said was false.


Why does the NBA need to clarify its relationship with China when other entities in this country do not?

The NBA holds itself to a higher standard.


They criticize certain aspects of American society.


You answered your own question. They can criticize whoever they want and cozy up to whoever they want. But don't get butthurt when the hypocrisy is pointed out. It's easy to criticize the U.S. when you know there will be no repercussions. God bless America. Happy Independence Day!

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long time guy wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
long time guy wrote:
Phil Leotardo wrote:
long time guy wrote:
For singling out the NBA in the same way MANY of the Anti NBA guys on here are want to do regarding their relationship with China.
https://www.si.com/nba/2020/07/01/senat ... lationship


Nothing she said was false.


Why does the NBA need to clarify its relationship with China when other entities in this country do not?

The NBA holds itself to a higher standard.


No it doesn't. They criticize certain aspects of American society. That's about it. It rankles the "America the Perfect" crowd and now certain people are coming after them. I have watched the NBA my entire life and have never gotten the impression that they were any more moral or immoral than any other sports league.
They have been a tad more inclusive than other leagues but that doesn't mean they are any more moral.

How about this? We shouldn't take social commentary seriously by influential NBA players while they openly court Chinese dollars. Is that fair?

LeBron is willing to go after Drew Brees and his poorly thought out comments but he isn't willing to call out the NBA for banning kneeling or China for anything and getting mad at another NBA person for saying something that cost him business meetings.


Of course not. LeBron is a racist prick.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
long time guy wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
long time guy wrote:
Phil Leotardo wrote:
long time guy wrote:
For singling out the NBA in the same way MANY of the Anti NBA guys on here are want to do regarding their relationship with China.
https://www.si.com/nba/2020/07/01/senat ... lationship


Nothing she said was false.


Why does the NBA need to clarify its relationship with China when other entities in this country do not?

The NBA holds itself to a higher standard.


They criticize certain aspects of American society.


You answered your own question. They can criticize whoever they want and cozy up to whoever they want. But don't get butthurt when the hypocrisy is pointed out. It's easy to criticize the U.S. when you know there will be no repercussions. God bless America. Happy Independence Day!


So when you decide to call someone Anti Semitic for criticizing Israel but avoid calling Hawk a racist when he says blatantly racist statements all the time are you being hypocritical as well?

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 Post subject: Re: Marsha Blackburn
PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2020 12:06 pm 
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Phil Leotardo wrote:
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For singling out the NBA in the same way MANY of the Anti NBA guys on here are want to do regarding their relationship with China.
https://www.si.com/nba/2020/07/01/senat ... lationship


Nothing she said was false.


Why does the NBA need to clarify its relationship with China when other entities in this country do not?

The NBA holds itself to a higher standard.


They criticize certain aspects of American society.


You answered your own question. They can criticize whoever they want and cozy up to whoever they want. But don't get butthurt when the hypocrisy is pointed out. It's easy to criticize the U.S. when you know there will be no repercussions. God bless America. Happy Independence Day!


I'm pretty sure MANY of the hypocrites criticizing NBA players for not speaking out about the atrocities in China are actually the ones who are butt hurt and miserable. They just want some company.

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