Medical professionals wear them to stop bacteria that may cause infection.

There are plenty of studies regarding the efficacy of masks being used by the general public that predate the politicization of the coronavirus pandemic.

Here's a long thread illustrating in real time how masks became political:

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It's you that is ignoring science. Every thought you have expressed re: COVID is clearly informed strictly by your politics.

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Maybe because the lead medical team of the country ignored it 4 months ago. Do you think we'd have NEAR THE PROBLEM if they hadn't done that? Actions have consequences.

People want to feel as if they are taking action. It's the illusion of control.

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Yea I saw you post that in another thread. Its not devastating for anyone but people who believe media is never wrong or that science doesn't evolve with new information.

As Rick pointed out they used to say smoking wasnt a killer.

In fact the guy endorses a national mask mandate in the second tweet

This started from a tweet from @jaketapper wishing @realDonaldTrump had urged people to wear masks back then.

In hindsight, that’s a good wish to have. But let’s not pretend that the media was urging mask adoption then.

Here’s @CNN in that timeframe. https://t.co/Jtz10kbR0K



What about the Harvard study I posted from 2013? Is that far enough back to not dismiss?

You don't want to wear a mask because you don't think its worth it.

That's fine but saying the masks do nothing is to stop the spread is just not true.

The science didn't change. The politics did.

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I'm not sure if it's true or not, there just isn't evidence that suggests it is.

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Are you saying the people studying this are not learning more about the virus ?

That's what I mean by science changing

None you care to acknowledge.

Was the 2013 Harvard study on how virus spread can be lessened based on 2020 politics?

No. That's not what I'm saying. But they aren't learning anything new about masks or masking healthy people.

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I don't care if they help or not. I don't want to wear one. I'd bet about half or less in neighboring states are wearing them.

Very honest answer.

And agreed on Indiana and Wisconsin from what I saw.

What an incredibly selfish and ignorant stance.

Lots of people feel that way though.

At least Spaulding is honest enough to say it.

Others couch it in "fake science".

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Sweeden is a situation that doesnt get mentioned much. No real lockdowns. No mask mandates and yet things are getting better.

Another place not mentioned as much as other states is California. They locked down super early and have been as strict as any place and yet things are still going up there.

Strange stuff going on.

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I don't think this is as "dangerous" as you all seem to think it is, so wearing a mask is stupid. I think it's worse that you feel you have the right morality to make the the judgement you are making about what I should and should not be doing.

Well I guess you don't believe the ones saying they have learned more about masks stopping the spread.

I would guess nothing could possibly convince you though.

Here's something to read if you're interested

https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/41790 ... ks-prevent


I guess one could say any science (or any statement) anywhere is just political or fake at this point

Your "right" to safety doesn't trump my rights regardless of science real or fake.

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Now we're talkin

I can definitely see having your stance if I had a different life situation.

You might be misunderstanding me. I'm not arguing that proper masks worn properly by every person in public spaces might not slow the spread. It's simply impossible to make that happen.

And is "slowing the spread" really the goal? New York hit a high and fast peak and then declined and Cuomo is a hero. Florida slowed the spread and flattened the curve and DeSantis is a buffoon. But now we're back to talking politics again.

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Here you go.

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The science is simple. The politics is not.



For the slow to understand people on the board - Unless you are wearing an N-95 mask you are not filtering out any of the China virus. Cloth masks only prevent large droplets, so unless you are spitting all over the place when you talk or sneezing without covering your mouth, then the mask will not provide any additional protection.

Follow the 6ft rule and wear a mask when in a crowded area and you should be fine. Washing your hands is more important then covering your face with a piece of cloth.

So the South Koreans are promoting it because they seek to influence American politics?

The polls demonstrated that over 50% of Republicans were in favor of the measures taken by the Govt by the way.

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"I don't care if they help or not."

At least JORR's bit is he doesn't believe the science.

Well yes, everything you say seems to suggest that



I could not be less interested in who the media loves or hates

If you're asking me Cuomo and DeSantis have both made HUGE mistakes

All over the place in this post

Spraying droplets to all fields

I don't believe anyone here is suggesting cloth masks protect the wearer

Its just the next level of covering your mouth when you sneeze or cough

You should wear 2 or 3 then, I can go without. Science.

Statistically, it doesn't warrant people wearing masks for the rest of our lives. All these rules we are making, and sides we are setting up aren't good. When is it safe to demask?

Anyone have a fatality rate on this thing ?

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Between 0.000001% and 10%

Definitely in there somewhere