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Everything you wrote is an non sensical emotional rant


Makes no sense. All emotional. Ranty!

He must think that you are having your period.


That's stupid.

There's not a bear around.

Wait...

Is there a bear around??

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Terry's Peeps wrote:
Chet Coppock's Fur Coat wrote:
Spaulding wrote:
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Everything you wrote is an non sensical emotional rant


Makes no sense. All emotional. Ranty!

He must think that you are having your period.


That's stupid.

There's not a bear around.

Wait...

Is there a bear around??


There was that one wandering around western Illinois. Maybe it got lost on the way to Spaulding’s?


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The science is simple. The politics is not.
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"The exact effectiveness of cloth face coverings is still unknown, but it’s believed that cloth face coverings—like surgical masks—can provide a barrier against larger respiratory droplets to keep the wearer from spreading an infection to others. Because many people may be asymptomatic COVID-19 carriers, cloth face coverings could help reduce the spread of the disease."

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The N-95 respirator is the best protector against respiratory infections. It gets its name because it filters out at least 95 percent of airborne particles. It also fits snugly around the edges to reduce leakage of infectious particles into the airway.

This makes N-95 respirators ideal for healthcare workers who are caring for patients with highly contagious diseases (as well as construction workers trying to keep out harmful microparticles from wood, coal, etc.). It protects the wearer from breathing in infectious droplets and getting sick themselves.


For the slow to understand people on the board - Unless you are wearing an N-95 mask you are not filtering out any of the China virus. Cloth masks only prevent large droplets, so unless you are spitting all over the place when you talk or sneezing without covering your mouth, then the mask will not provide any additional protection.

Follow the 6ft rule and wear a mask when in a crowded area and you should be fine. Washing your hands is more important then covering your face with a piece of cloth.

All over the place in this post

Spraying droplets to all fields

I don't believe anyone here is suggesting cloth masks protect the wearer

Its just the next level of covering your mouth when you sneeze or cough


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Do you know what contagious means? They also protect you you selfish attractive lady. What a sacrifice. You are a baby.

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The mask debate sure is a convenient way to project all current and future blame on the people How this thing started, where it started and why it originally spread is old news. Now its the person next to you's fault for "not caring".

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What an incredibly selfish and ignorant stance.


I don't think this is as "dangerous" as you all seem to think it is, so wearing a mask is stupid. I think it's worse that you feel you have the right morality to make the the judgement you are making about what I should and should not be doing.


I could throw statistics at you, but don’t think you will change your mind until it hits you or someone close to you. Nobody likes wearing a mask, they do it because it works.

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I could throw statistics at you, but don’t think you will change your mind until it hits you or someone close to you. Nobody likes wearing a mask, they do it because it works.


I know 5 people that have had it for certain. 1 died. I suspect several people I know had it at the end of February.

Part of my problem is I don't trust any of the statistics. None of it is being accurately reported.


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Chet Coppock's Fur Coat wrote:
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Everything you wrote is an non sensical emotional rant


Makes no sense. All emotional. Ranty!

He must think that you are having your period.

No, she’s just selfish and purposely ignorant.


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Every bit of "research" that masks work has come in the last few months. None of it is peer reviewed, none of it is handled with any degree of skepticism. In fact, any defiance of the Mask Mafia (even done in good faith with true scientific curiosity) would be immediate grounds for cancellation.

We live in an era of near-religious devotion to liberal dogma.

Masks have nothing to do with the public health. That needs to firmly established because its undeniably true. Masks are about control, about telling you what you are going to do and the consequences for disobedience. The issue of course being the disobedience to the liberal dogma, not actually endangering people's health. The left fully supports rioting in the midst of the pandemic, they certainly dont care about people getting sick.


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No, she’s just selfish and purposely ignorant.

Selfish and ignorant: not wearing a mask that doesn't do anything anyways
Heroic and righteous: looting and rioting in the midst of a pandemic


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I could throw statistics at you, but don’t think you will change your mind until it hits you or someone close to you. Nobody likes wearing a mask, they do it because it works.


I know 5 people that have had it for certain. 1 died. I suspect several people I know had it at the end of February.

Part of my problem is I don't trust any of the statistics. None of it is being accurately reported.


You go girl.

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Every bit of "research" that masks work has come in the last few months. None of it is peer reviewed, none of it is handled with any degree of skepticism. In fact, any defiance of the Mask Mafia (even done in good faith with true scientific curiosity) would be immediate grounds for cancellation.

We live in an era of near-religious devotion to liberal dogma.

Masks have nothing to do with the public health. That needs to firmly established because its undeniably true. Masks are about control, about telling you what you are going to do and the consequences for disobedience. The issue of course being the disobedience to the liberal dogma, not actually endangering people's health. The left fully supports rioting in the midst of the pandemic, they certainly dont care about people getting sick.

Spaulding's original position is she doesn't want to wear a mask whether they do help or don't. Either way it doesn't matter to her.

That's fine. Her call. Doesn't absolve her of being selfish and willfully ignorant.


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Every bit of "research" that masks work has come in the last few months. None of it is peer reviewed, none of it is handled with any degree of skepticism. In fact, any defiance of the Mask Mafia (even done in good faith with true scientific curiosity) would be immediate grounds for cancellation.

We live in an era of near-religious devotion to liberal dogma.

Masks have nothing to do with the public health. That needs to firmly established because its undeniably true. Masks are about control, about telling you what you are going to do and the consequences for disobedience. The issue of course being the disobedience to the liberal dogma, not actually endangering people's health. The left fully supports rioting in the midst of the pandemic, they certainly dont care about people getting sick.


Are you angry because you and Joe can’t go to your Flat Earth Society meetings? You and Joe probably run the Chicagoland chapter.

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Spaulding's original position is she doesn't want to wear a mask whether they do help or don't. Either way it doesn't matter to her.

That's fine. Her call. Doesn't absolve her of being selfish and willfully ignorant.


I think you're the one being willfully ignorant.


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I commend you for being honest about your selfishness and ignorance.


We don’t have accurate information on deaths, cases, or any other statistic. The media and both political parties have been a hysterical mess.

The illness itself is odd. Who gets it? (although it’s still mostly older people) When? How severe? Every places’s results have been different but not really dependent on the solution applied.

The rules we are making up are arbitrary and I’m not sure of their effectiveness. Restaurants and gyms especially. I’m concerned about how long we may have to follow them and how negatively it will effect our society.

I think long term we are opening up the government to dictate what happens with us medically or because medically and I see that as an infringement on rights. Vaccinations, privacy issues, ability to work are all at play in the future. Essential/nonessential is/was/never will or should be for them to decide especially if “they” are doing what “they” want. The education issue is going to be a huge one, I hope they get it right, I have little confidence they will. “Their” kids will be educated and well educated.

From my perspective, you are selfish. I make no demands nor do I publicly shame people for their thoughts or actions. You want to wear a mask, fine. You don’t, fine. If you are that uncomfortable being around no masked people or out maybe you should consider staying home and not imposing your values on anybody else. I’m perfectly happy to let people be in charge of themselves, and their health. I think it’s dangerous to make laws or rules you can’t enforce and you are seeing the conflicts. If you take them off at 18 months but somebody feels that's premature are you selfish.

Wisconsin might be as high as 75% mask free in restaurants and grocery stores from what I have seen. IL is like a different world from them. I don’t think this is as bad as you do. It’s not selfish, I see the same data and have interpreted it differently.

If you want to have a discussion I'm open to having one. This seems to be emotional rather than scientific for you. That's fine, but at least you could return the honesty.

I think the economy will be fucked by shutting down.





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Spaulding wrote:
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Spaulding's original position is she doesn't want to wear a mask whether they do help or don't. Either way it doesn't matter to her.

That's fine. Her call. Doesn't absolve her of being selfish and willfully ignorant.


I think you're the one being willfully ignorant.

I'm not putting any words in your mouth or ignoring what you're saying. You stated you don't care if statistics/facts/science or whatever proof you need matters to you. You will do you.

"I don't care if they help or not"


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I'm not putting any words in your mouth or ignoring what you're saying. You stated you don't care if statistics/facts/science or whatever proof you need matters to you. You will do you.

"I don't care if they help or not"


Because there are no reliable statistics/facts/science or whatever that say they make a difference or even the pandemic is as bad as the media and politicians are trying to make this out to be. I'm perfectly comfortable going places and not wearing one. That should be my decision. How dumb is it to have restaurants open and you have to wear them going to the bathroom but not at the table. Or the gym wear one in the hall but not working out. What is the difference? There isn't one. Completely arbitrary.


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The familiar pattern here is:

-"you have to wear the mask to protect others, not just yourself"
"but the masks dont do anything"
-"yes they do"
"prove it"
-"ok just wear the mask all right is it that hard"

every single time. its hilarious.


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I don’t read all these threads so apologies if this has been posted but it amuses me that the same dumbass culture war over this was happening a century ago too

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Ma ... _Francisco

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They wore them for a month said fuck that noise waited 2 months then wore them for 2 weeks then said fuck that again? Wasn't the Spanish flu worse?


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https://www.fresnobee.com/opinion/reade ... 60577.html

According to Dr. Howard “the one thing that Japan did do right was masks.” Health scientists have long known that masks are effective — and they tried to tell public officials. On April 12, Dr. Howard and 18 scientists from all over the world published a study titled “Face Masks Against COVID-19: an Evidence Review,” citing decades of published research. To ensure wide dissemination, the paper was published in an open-access pre-print journal (so it’s is free)

Read more here: https://www.fresnobee.com/opinion/reade ... rylink=cpy

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New Zealand is the only country in the world that has "beaten" the corona (which I guess is kinda ridiculous since walling yourself off from the world to defeat what is basically the flu seems like a bit of a self-own). The government there is requesting people NOT wear masks. So yeah.


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New Zealand is the only country in the world that has "beaten" the corona (which I guess is kinda ridiculous since walling yourself off from the world to defeat what is basically the flu seems like a bit of a self-own). The government there is requesting people NOT wear masks. So yeah.


Hey stupid, they don’t need masks cause there are no cases because their government had a great leader and they snuffed it out. Unlike here where idiots like you exist.

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Connecticut has consistently had one of the lowest rates of transmission (R numbers) of any state in the country. An R number represents how many people each infected person is likely to go on and infect, on average.
Connecticut has an R number of about 0.90. That means fewer and fewer people are getting infected in the state.
And the number of new deaths has plummeted since April 26, when the seven-day average of daily deaths was 113. That number has stayed below 5 every day since July 2, according to data from Johns Hopkins University.
How they tried to get their numbers down:
Connecticut teamed with neighboring states early for a joint plan
Connecticut teamed with neighboring states early for a joint plan 02:45
Connecticut started mandating face masks statewide on April 20.
Many other states didn't start requiring masks until two months later.
It also reopened later than many states, starting on May 20.
And like New York and New Jersey, Connecticut has required visitors from states with high rates of Covid-19 to quarantine for 14 days

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I commend you for being honest about your selfishness and ignorance.


We don’t have accurate information on deaths, cases, or any other statistic. The media and both political parties have been a hysterical mess.

The illness itself is odd. Who gets it? (although it’s still mostly older people) When? How severe? Every places’s results have been different but not really dependent on the solution applied.

The rules we are making up are arbitrary and I’m not sure of their effectiveness. Restaurants and gyms especially. I’m concerned about how long we may have to follow them and how negatively it will effect our society.

I think long term we are opening up the government to dictate what happens with us medically or because medically and I see that as an infringement on rights. Vaccinations, privacy issues, ability to work are all at play in the future. Essential/nonessential is/was/never will or should be for them to decide especially if “they” are doing what “they” want. The education issue is going to be a huge one, I hope they get it right, I have little confidence they will. “Their” kids will be educated and well educated.

From my perspective, you are selfish. I make no demands nor do I publicly shame people for their thoughts or actions. You want to wear a mask, fine. You don’t, fine. If you are that uncomfortable being around no masked people or out maybe you should consider staying home and not imposing your values on anybody else. I’m perfectly happy to let people be in charge of themselves, and their health. I think it’s dangerous to make laws or rules you can’t enforce and you are seeing the conflicts. If you take them off at 18 months but somebody feels that's premature are you selfish.

Wisconsin might be as high as 75% mask free in restaurants and grocery stores from what I have seen. IL is like a different world from them. I don’t think this is as bad as you do. It’s not selfish, I see the same data and have interpreted it differently.

If you want to have a discussion I'm open to having one. This seems to be emotional rather than scientific for you. That's fine, but at least you could return the honesty.

I think the economy will be fucked by shutting down.

Somewhere in the middle of this, Spaulding accused Kirkwood of being “emotional” in his response to the virus.

True story.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Spaulding wrote:
Kirkwood wrote:
I commend you for being honest about your selfishness and ignorance.


We don’t have accurate information on deaths, cases, or any other statistic. The media and both political parties have been a hysterical mess.

The illness itself is odd. Who gets it? (although it’s still mostly older people) When? How severe? Every places’s results have been different but not really dependent on the solution applied.

The rules we are making up are arbitrary and I’m not sure of their effectiveness. Restaurants and gyms especially. I’m concerned about how long we may have to follow them and how negatively it will effect our society.

I think long term we are opening up the government to dictate what happens with us medically or because medically and I see that as an infringement on rights. Vaccinations, privacy issues, ability to work are all at play in the future. Essential/nonessential is/was/never will or should be for them to decide especially if “they” are doing what “they” want. The education issue is going to be a huge one, I hope they get it right, I have little confidence they will. “Their” kids will be educated and well educated.

From my perspective, you are selfish. I make no demands nor do I publicly shame people for their thoughts or actions. You want to wear a mask, fine. You don’t, fine. If you are that uncomfortable being around no masked people or out maybe you should consider staying home and not imposing your values on anybody else. I’m perfectly happy to let people be in charge of themselves, and their health. I think it’s dangerous to make laws or rules you can’t enforce and you are seeing the conflicts. If you take them off at 18 months but somebody feels that's premature are you selfish.

Wisconsin might be as high as 75% mask free in restaurants and grocery stores from what I have seen. IL is like a different world from them. I don’t think this is as bad as you do. It’s not selfish, I see the same data and have interpreted it differently.

If you want to have a discussion I'm open to having one. This seems to be emotional rather than scientific for you. That's fine, but at least you could return the honesty.

I think the economy will be fucked by shutting down.





That's an odd echo chamber you're in my friend.


As opposed to the normal echo chamber you're in.

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https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/21299527/masks-coronavirus-covid-19-studies-research-evidence


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It’s true the evidence for masks was weak before. That’s changed.


:lol: :lol: As if masks and viruses were invented in January.

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Somewhere in the middle of this, Spaulding accused Kirkwood of being “emotional” in his response to the virus.

True story.


Statistically, there is no way mask wearing, school, and work closing was an appropriate response. This is one special virus. Keep listening to the lawyers! Really. Smart. People.


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Somewhere in the middle of this, Spaulding accused Kirkwood of being “emotional” in his response to the virus.

True story.


Statistically, there is no way mask wearing, school, and work closing was an appropriate response. This is one special virus. Keep listening to the lawyers! Really. Smart. People.

How can you make such a declaration when earlier you state/believe

"Because there are no reliable statistics/facts/science or whatever that say they make a difference or even the pandemic is as bad as the media and politicians are trying to make this out to be. "

You're all over the place.


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What facts do you have that masks are are the be all to end all other than you feel that way and it gives you the feel goods? You just feel 3 months isn't enough. That's not science. But 18 months will be? Why not 17.5 months or 19 months or 72 months?


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