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For a wrongful termination claim to have legs, he must have been discriminated for a prohibited reason- ie sex, race, age, etc. He was terminated for none of those. His termination was directly related to an inappropriate tweet. His only cause of action is breach of contract.

If the Score was smart, they either fired him based on a specific violation of his contract or paid him a severance and got a signed release.


My point is why can they determine it was an inappropriate tweet. That's subjective. Go before a judge and say it was a compliment. Why can't it be considered a compliment? Why?

Once again, you can't just say it's not a compliment because it's about porn, you hate porn ladies and you think porn is bad. That's not a good argument. Once again, it's a legal profession.

I don't care what you think. I think if you go before a judge, in a court of law, Mac would win.


People get fired all the time for subjective reasons. We have at will employment laws. Now in Mac’s case, he has a contract, which supersedes contract law. That is his only legit claim.

Be that as it may, Entercom has to prove Mac's tweet was disparaging, which they can, because Mac deleted it. He compounded his original mistake. If he hadn't deleted it, Beardown's point could have legitimacy.

I don't think Mac gets paid and a suit would be thrown out quickly.


They don’t have to prove anything. It is not illegal to fire someone. They could fire Parkins right now. They just can’t do it because he’s Jewish.

Again though, the contract is another matter.

I am telling you this stuff with 100% certainty. It doesn’t mean he won’t or can’t sue to try to extract a settlement. But they had every right to fire him. The only valid claim would be contractual. I would have to see his contract to know if they had a right under it.

yep. They will reach a settlement.

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For a wrongful termination claim to have legs, he must have been discriminated for a prohibited reason- ie sex, race, age, etc. He was terminated for none of those. His termination was directly related to an inappropriate tweet. His only cause of action is breach of contract.

If the Score was smart, they either fired him based on a specific violation of his contract or paid him a severance and got a signed release.


My point is why can they determine it was an inappropriate tweet. That's subjective. Go before a judge and say it was a compliment. Why can't it be considered a compliment? Why?

Once again, you can't just say it's not a compliment because it's about porn, you hate porn ladies and you think porn is bad. That's not a good argument. Once again, it's a legal profession.

I don't care what you think. I think if you go before a judge, in a court of law, Mac would win.


People get fired all the time for subjective reasons. We have at will employment laws. Now in Mac’s case, he has a contract, which supersedes contract law. That is his only legit claim.


Ok. Fine. It's all subjective. Go back to what Rick said. Go to the judge with what Bruce did and ask why the company isn't consistent? Bruce did it a few weeks before Mac. Different actions were taken.


It doesn’t matter. The consistency argument only works if he was fired in a discriminatory manner. Companies have very broad discretion under our at will employment laws.

They fired McKnight not Bernstein. They fired Goff not Parkins. They fired Julie not Mully. This happens everyday in corporate America. All legal.

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Be that as it may, Entercom has to prove Mac's tweet was disparaging, which they can, because Mac deleted it. He compounded his original mistake. If he hadn't deleted it, Beardown's point could have legitimacy.

I don't think Mac gets paid and a suit would be thrown out quickly.
There can be any number of reasons that a tweet is deleted. Imagine a scenario where you can get out of an employment contract because an employee deletes a tweet. Levine deleted his tweet too.

I would assume that his contract includes a clause on embarrassing his employer as a grounds for ending the contract. If the Levine tweet didn't meet that standard then it's hard to argue that Mac's tweet did.

Just like anything, it's not a slam dunk that Mac would win but he clearly has a case.

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denisdman wrote:
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For a wrongful termination claim to have legs, he must have been discriminated for a prohibited reason- ie sex, race, age, etc. He was terminated for none of those. His termination was directly related to an inappropriate tweet. His only cause of action is breach of contract.

If the Score was smart, they either fired him based on a specific violation of his contract or paid him a severance and got a signed release.


My point is why can they determine it was an inappropriate tweet. That's subjective. Go before a judge and say it was a compliment. Why can't it be considered a compliment? Why?

Once again, you can't just say it's not a compliment because it's about porn, you hate porn ladies and you think porn is bad. That's not a good argument. Once again, it's a legal profession.

I don't care what you think. I think if you go before a judge, in a court of law, Mac would win.


People get fired all the time for subjective reasons. We have at will employment laws. Now in Mac’s case, he has a contract, which supersedes contract law. That is his only legit claim.


Ok. Fine. It's all subjective. Go back to what Rick said. Go to the judge with what Bruce did and ask why the company isn't consistent? Bruce did it a few weeks before Mac. Different actions were taken.


It doesn’t matter. The consistency argument only works if he was fired in a discriminatory manner. Companies have very broad discretion under our at will employment laws.

They fired McKnight not Bernstein. They fired Goff not Parkins. They fired Julie not Mully. This happens everyday in corporate America. All legal.


Goff, McDoink and Julie were different types. They just fired them to fire them. To cut costs.

This was a specific reason based on a tweet.


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 Post subject: Re: Sue the SCORE, Mac
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I am telling you this stuff with 100% certainty. It doesn’t mean he won’t or can’t sue to try to extract a settlement. But they had every right to fire him. The only valid claim would be contractual. I would have to see his contract to know if they had a right under it.
Of course it's about the contract. He was a contract employee.

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Mac, can you post your contract here so we can see if you have a chance in court ?


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Be that as it may, Entercom has to prove Mac's tweet was disparaging, which they can, because Mac deleted it. He compounded his original mistake. If he hadn't deleted it, Beardown's point could have legitimacy.

I don't think Mac gets paid and a suit would be thrown out quickly.
There can be any number of reasons that a tweet is deleted. Imagine a scenario where you can get out of an employment contract because an employee deletes a tweet. Levine deleted his tweet too.

I would assume that his contract includes a clause on embarrassing his employer as a grounds for ending the contract. If the Levine tweet didn't meet that standard then it's hard to argue that Mac's tweet did.

Just like anything, it's not a slam dunk that Mac would win but he clearly has a case.

The difference is Hillary is a universally despised political figure and hot babe is an innocent bystander. Much more damage to the company. Theoretically

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Obviously they can fire him and pay his contract.

I'm saying Mac should ask for more money in a law suit. That's my point. And I do think he has a case.


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Obviously they can fire him and pay his contract.

I'm saying Mac should ask for more money in a law suit. That's my point. And I do think he has a case.

He didn't defend his tweet. He admitted it was wrong by deleting it. There's no case for "it's a compliment".

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 Post subject: Re: Sue the SCORE, Mac
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One was a direct attack on a African american female, the other was a shared dumb political meme.
Neither of us are lawyers, but I doubt you could win in court with the "The sexist tweet was about a white woman" defense especially when the much more logical explanation is Mac was expensive to a company who is financially struggling.

I'd like to introduce you to the concept of "at-will" employment.


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Caller Bob wrote:
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One was a direct attack on a African american female, the other was a shared dumb political meme.
Neither of us are lawyers, but I doubt you could win in court with the "The sexist tweet was about a white woman" defense especially when the much more logical explanation is Mac was expensive to a company who is financially struggling.

I'd like to introduce you to the concept of "at-will" employment.
Mac wasn't an "at-will" employee. He has a contract.

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Mac, can you post your contract here so we can see if you have a chance in court ?


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Caller Bob wrote:
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One was a direct attack on a African american female, the other was a shared dumb political meme.
Neither of us are lawyers, but I doubt you could win in court with the "The sexist tweet was about a white woman" defense especially when the much more logical explanation is Mac was expensive to a company who is financially struggling.

I'd like to introduce you to the concept of "at-will" employment.


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Caller Bob wrote:
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One was a direct attack on a African american female, the other was a shared dumb political meme.
Neither of us are lawyers, but I doubt you could win in court with the "The sexist tweet was about a white woman" defense especially when the much more logical explanation is Mac was expensive to a company who is financially struggling.

I'd like to introduce you to the concept of "at-will" employment.

This is JLN levels of legal analysis

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Mac, can you post your contract here so we can see if you have a chance in court ?

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I didn't look too much into it but Levine's tweet seemed like a mistake, like he posted the wrong picture. Kinda different.


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I didn't look too much into it but Levine's tweet seemed like a mistake, like he posted the wrong picture. Kinda different.


Well, yeah. Bruce isn't a right winger or Trump fan, so it makes no sense.


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I hear he's available.

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I hear he's available.

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My god that would be glorious.


Who is that? Tom Share?


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Caller Bob wrote:
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One was a direct attack on a African american female, the other was a shared dumb political meme.
Neither of us are lawyers, but I doubt you could win in court with the "The sexist tweet was about a white woman" defense especially when the much more logical explanation is Mac was expensive to a company who is financially struggling.

I'd like to introduce you to the concept of "at-will" employment.


My point was he doesn’t have a statutory claim, ie discrimination. His only potential cause of action is contractual.

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I hear he's available.

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My god that would be glorious.


Who is that? Tom Share?


Pun C. Hmehard

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I hear he's available.

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My god that would be glorious.


Who is that? Tom Share?


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Dear Beardown


Mac's wife is an attorney, trust me, you arent inventing nuclear power with this take.



p.s. Harry T really winds up the big winner here, I feel bad his father passed away, but how much do you think he inherited. That guy is probably 8 figures on the street liquid.


Just cash those dividend checks, take care of your health and raise your kids. Harry T making cash the old fashioned way (much like Parkins will- INHERIT IT!!!!!!!)

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p.s. I was also thinking if I was in Parkins' shoes after college and told my parents I wanted to take a year off to play online poker and be a dope smoking fuck, I wonder what branch of the armed forces recruiting office I would have been thrown out of my late fathers Park Avenue as he slowed to 25 MPH and informed me to roll with the impact.


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Mac's wife is an attorney, trust me, you arent inventing nuclear power with this take.



p.s. Harry T really winds up the big winner here, I feel bad his father passed away, but how much do you think he inherited. That guy is probably 8 figures on the street liquid.


Just cash those dividend checks, take care of your health and raise your kids. Harry T making cash the old fashioned way (much like Parkins will- INHERIT IT!!!!!!!)

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p.s. I was also thinking if I was in Parkins' shoes after college and told my parents I wanted to take a year off to play online poker and be a dope smoking fuck, I wonder what branch of the armed forces recruiting office I would have been thrown out of my late fathers Park Avenue as he slowed to 25 MPH and informed me to roll with the impact.


I never said I was inventing nuclear power with this take. Yeah, good for Mac. His wife is an attorney. So she might give him a discount to take on this case. Then again, she might charge him double. Who knows?


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Mac's wife is an attorney, trust me, you arent inventing nuclear power with this take.



p.s. Harry T really winds up the big winner here, I feel bad his father passed away, but how much do you think he inherited. That guy is probably 8 figures on the street liquid.


Just cash those dividend checks, take care of your health and raise your kids. Harry T making cash the old fashioned way (much like Parkins will- INHERIT IT!!!!!!!)

later
sabu

p.s. I was also thinking if I was in Parkins' shoes after college and told my parents I wanted to take a year off to play online poker and be a dope smoking fuck, I wonder what branch of the armed forces recruiting office I would have been thrown out of my late fathers Park Avenue as he slowed to 25 MPH and informed me to roll with the impact.

sabu, what would your father had done if you had gone on the radio and talked about the need to take Blue Chew to get it up for your wife while you were still in your 30s?

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I would think that given his history he may have language in his contract that specifically allows them to can him immediately if he messes up.

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I would think that given his history he may have language in his contract that specifically allows them to can him immediately if he messes up.


My point is "Did he mess up?" I'm not so sure that he did.

And I'm suggesting that he go to court to figure that out.


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If Steven A. Smith posts that about Cam Newton during one of Cam's postgame conferences, does Steven A even get suspended?

If Jim Rome posts that about Cam Newton, does he get fired?

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