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Bears are three point dogs on the road which means to me Vegas does not think very highly of the Bears at 0-2.


Apparently they knew they would draw in boatloads of stupid money with that number. I thought I heard 80% of the bets were on the falcons and the line still dropped

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Bears are three point dogs on the road which means to me Vegas does not think very highly of the Bears at 0-2.


Apparently they knew they would draw in boatloads of stupid money with that number. I thought I heard 80% of the bets were on the falcons and the line still dropped
it must have worked. 75% got atl-2.5, 57% bought atl moneyline and 71% bought under 47.5. Vegas did well. Personally I had Bears +3.5.

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Hey guys. Mitch is a girl. Nicky foles has balls. I like balls.

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Falcons 38
Bears 17

There is a reason an 0-2 is favored over a 2-0.
Starting 0-3 virtually ends your season with 15 games left. I didn't look up last year but it looks like the 2018 Texans are the only ones in 20 years who have started 0-3 and made the playoffs.

A must win game for the Falcons could also have some explanation for that line.
A "must win game" has no affect on the betting line in the NFL early in the season.

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Today’s ratings:

Foles 95.2
(Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky 94.9


That's why I want to see PFF's rating. They take context into account. You can spike your traditonal rating by completing 10 two yard passes in a row in the middle of the first quarter. PFF accounts for that bullshit.


PFF says Foles' passes averaged 4.8 yards per attempt from a clean pocket and that half of his yardage was YAC.

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Even the D played much better after the benching.. The team is inspired by finally having a competent leader at the helm. The schedule gets hard now but the offense will be league average at worst.

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Today’s ratings:

Foles 95.2
(Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky 94.9


That's why I want to see PFF's rating. They take context into account. You can spike your traditonal rating by completing 10 two yard passes in a row in the middle of the first quarter. PFF accounts for that bullshit.


PFF says Foles' passes averaged 4.8 yards per attempt from a clean pocket and that half of his yardage was YAC.


He was making big throws under pressure..forget the clean pocket and look at the game.

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PFF says Foles' passes averaged 4.8 yards per attempt from a clean pocket and that half of his yardage was YAC.


That tends to happen when you hit your receivers in stride, and they don't have to stop and adjust to an inaccurate throw. You seem committed to a narrative rather than looking at the actual results.

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Today’s ratings:

Foles 95.2
(Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky 94.9


That's why I want to see PFF's rating. They take context into account. You can spike your traditonal rating by completing 10 two yard passes in a row in the middle of the first quarter. PFF accounts for that bullshit.


PFF says Foles' passes averaged 4.8 yards per attempt from a clean pocket and that half of his yardage was YAC.


He was making big throws under pressure..forget the clean pocket and look at the game.


NFL Channel showed an interesting stat last night:

With 2.5 seconds or more to throw the ball, Foles had something like a 140 passer rating and 3 touchdowns. Mitch had a 28 rating and one interception.

Mitch couldn't figure out one of the worst defenses in the league.

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Bears 38
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veganfan21 wrote:
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Jaw Breaker wrote:
Today’s ratings:

Foles 95.2
(Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky 94.9


That's why I want to see PFF's rating. They take context into account. You can spike your traditonal rating by completing 10 two yard passes in a row in the middle of the first quarter. PFF accounts for that bullshit.


PFF says Foles' passes averaged 4.8 yards per attempt from a clean pocket and that half of his yardage was YAC.


He was making big throws under pressure..forget the clean pocket and look at the game.


NFL Channel showed an interesting stat last night:

With 2.5 seconds or more to throw the ball, Foles had something like a 140 passer rating and 3 touchdowns. Mitch had a 28 rating and one interception.

Mitch couldn't figure out one of the worst defenses in the league.


Multiple Choice question.

Mitch is an idiot.

Mitch doesn't study enough film.

Mitch was never mentally ready to make the quick decisions required of a bona fide NFL QB

All of the above.

All of the above.


Unfortunately, a good job by Foles will help Pace keep his jog.

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312player wrote:
veganfan21 wrote:
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Today’s ratings:

Foles 95.2
(Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky 94.9


That's why I want to see PFF's rating. They take context into account. You can spike your traditonal rating by completing 10 two yard passes in a row in the middle of the first quarter. PFF accounts for that bullshit.


PFF says Foles' passes averaged 4.8 yards per attempt from a clean pocket and that half of his yardage was YAC.


He was making big throws under pressure..forget the clean pocket and look at the game.


In agreement. Didn't add much context to PFF's stats. I'm good with what happened obviously. Hoping it carries over. Just thought it was interesting.

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Nagy doesn't seem too committed to Foles next week against Indy.


Uhhhh.....what?

I think Mitch starts Sunday. I think Nagy gives him one more chance to screw it up and let Foles try and be the hero again. That plus the less field time that Foles gets, the more likely he stays healthy.

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There was a lot of stuff I didn't like about the defense yesterday, particularly the inability to stop the run in the second half. However, at the end of the day they held a pretty good offense to 26 points and shut them down when they needed to. It was less frustrating than a great day that ends with them giving up a 95 yard drive for the winning score.

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Nagy doesn't seem too committed to Foles next week against Indy.


Uhhhh.....what?

I think Mitch starts Sunday. I think Nagy gives him one more chance to screw it up and let Foles try and be the hero again. That plus the less field time that Foles gets, the more likely he stays healthy.

You can't do that to (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky. (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky already has to chase the demons of not being Patrick Mahomes. Now you would have every mistake being compared to the great comeback by Foles even though Foles was pretty much just throwing it up for grabs and hoping for the best.

If Foles struggles then you can give (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky another shot.

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There was a lot of stuff I didn't like about the defense yesterday, particularly the inability to stop the run in the second half. However, at the end of the day they held a pretty good offense to 26 points and shut them down when they needed to. It was less frustrating than a great day that ends with them giving up a 95 yard drive for the winning score.



Let us not go crazy here.

The only person who shut down the Falcons offense was Dirk Koetter.

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There was a lot of stuff I didn't like about the defense yesterday, particularly the inability to stop the run in the second half. However, at the end of the day they held a pretty good offense to 26 points and shut them down when they needed to. It was less frustrating than a great day that ends with them giving up a 95 yard drive for the winning score.



Let us not go crazy here.

The only person who shut down the Falcons offense was Dirk Koetter.


Didn't some say the same thing last week and the week before.

Offensive coaches get stupid the week they play the bears.

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Miller is so infuriating because you see the talent. That guy must have just no dedication to his craft.

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even though Foles was pretty much just throwing it up for grabs and hoping for the best.

I dont think thats true at all. The only pass where that might have been true, and I still don't think it is, was the Graham reception where it went right thru a corners hands and when Graham caught it he looked surprised.

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even though Foles was pretty much just throwing it up for grabs and hoping for the best.

I dont think thats true at all. The only pass where that might have been true, and I still don't think it is, was the Graham reception where it went right thru a corners hands and when Graham caught it he looked surprised.

The TD call that got overturned was the same. As was the Robison touchdown where he was double covered and just made a great play and then turned around. Even the last touchdown he was falling backwards and just chucked it up there though the Bears guy got pretty wide open while it was in the air.

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Don't believe this...I have seen Russell Wilson make at least four "big throws" and I don't even follow the Seahawks.

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What's the definition of a "big-time" throw?

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even though Foles was pretty much just throwing it up for grabs and hoping for the best.

I dont think thats true at all. The only pass where that might have been true, and I still don't think it is, was the Graham reception where it went right thru a corners hands and when Graham caught it he looked surprised.

The TD call that got overturned was the same. As was the Robison touchdown where he was double covered and just made a great play and then turned around. Even the last touchdown he was falling backwards and just chucked it up there though the Bears guy got pretty wide open while it was in the air.


So on the final TD, you don’t think he was able to survey the field and see that Miller was a decent bet in juxtaposition to the other DBs? Check the replay - there was no safety help to be found in the area where the ball was delivered. We’ve forgotten what it’s like to have a QB that can actually keep his wits about him while under pressure.

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Most Bears fans have no idea what a competent QB looks like.


Cutler was competent. The problem was the expectation/hope that he'd turn into something beyond merely competent. Mitch is incompetent.

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even though Foles was pretty much just throwing it up for grabs and hoping for the best.

I dont think thats true at all. The only pass where that might have been true, and I still don't think it is, was the Graham reception where it went right thru a corners hands and when Graham caught it he looked surprised.

The TD call that got overturned was the same. As was the Robison touchdown where he was double covered and just made a great play and then turned around. Even the last touchdown he was falling backwards and just chucked it up there though the Bears guy got pretty wide open while it was in the air.


:lol:

This is totally inaccurate. There is extensive analysis available about the Miller TD in which Foles and others breakdown how the Bears diagnosed the defense and how Foles explicitly told Miller that he'd throw it to a specific spot in the endzone if the defense blitzed a certain way. They diagnosed it correctly and executed the play per the plan. He's not just throwing stuff up in the air and hoping it works, backyard football style. That's your boy (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky's style.

I'll admit that the Jimmy Graham reception was lucky. Should have been an INT.

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even though Foles was pretty much just throwing it up for grabs and hoping for the best.

I dont think thats true at all. The only pass where that might have been true, and I still don't think it is, was the Graham reception where it went right thru a corners hands and when Graham caught it he looked surprised.

The TD call that got overturned was the same. As was the Robison touchdown where he was double covered and just made a great play and then turned around. Even the last touchdown he was falling backwards and just chucked it up there though the Bears guy got pretty wide open while it was in the air.


So on the final TD, you don’t think he was able to survey the field and see that Miller was a decent bet in juxtaposition to the other DBs? Check the replay - there was no safety help to be found in the area where the ball was delivered. We’ve forgotten what it’s like to have a QB that can actually keep his wits about him while under pressure.

He threw it falling backwards and Miller came wide open while it was in the air. That was a pretty big chance he took but it worked out perfectly.

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even though Foles was pretty much just throwing it up for grabs and hoping for the best.

I dont think thats true at all. The only pass where that might have been true, and I still don't think it is, was the Graham reception where it went right thru a corners hands and when Graham caught it he looked surprised.

The TD call that got overturned was the same. As was the Robison touchdown where he was double covered and just made a great play and then turned around. Even the last touchdown he was falling backwards and just chucked it up there though the Bears guy got pretty wide open while it was in the air.


So on the final TD, you don’t think he was able to survey the field and see that Miller was a decent bet in juxtaposition to the other DBs? Check the replay - there was no safety help to be found in the area where the ball was delivered. We’ve forgotten what it’s like to have a QB that can actually keep his wits about him while under pressure.

He threw it falling backwards and Miller came wide open while it was in the air. That was a pretty big chance he took but it worked out perfectly.


It was planned.

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