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Nonsense. He's a professional QB! He can diagnose coverages and read defenses! Unquestionably better than Mitch! Will put up better numbers than Mitch did!

We've all heard you talk about Foles and Mitch. Take the L


You're conflating two things here. Foles wasn't my first choice to replace Trubinsky but yes I did say he's better than Trubinsky both before and after he got here. And yes, he can diagnose coverages and read defenses. Those attributes directly led to the TB and ATL wins.

I think what drives your Trubinsky defense is that you resonate with his dumbassery. What's also driving you is seething jealousy over the fact that Foles is a more accomplished playoff QB than your precious Erin Rodgers. Chew on this:

SB Wins:

Foles 1
Erin 1

Completion percentage:

Foles - 1st
Erin - not first

Passer Rating:

Foles - 1st
Erin - not first

Longest post-season streak of 100+ passer rating:

Montana - 8 games
Ryan - 5 games
Flacco - 5 games
Foles - 4 games

Erin isn't mentioned

SB-winning QBs to complete 65% of passes or more with 1 or less INTs

Foles
Montana
Brady

QBs with 350+ yards, 65% accuracy, and 1 or less INTs in SB:
Foles
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You're conflating two things here. Foles wasn't my first choice to replace Trubinsky but yes I did say he's better than Trubinsky both before and after he got here. And yes, he can diagnose coverages and read defenses. Those attributes directly led to the TB and ATL wins.

His lack of ability to read defenses directly led to two INTs and a loss yesterday as well.

Others have mentioned this but the Trubinsky stuff comes off like you're 8 years old. It matches up well with your football thoughts, but just figured I'd let you know in case you want to drop it from the repetoire.

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They both have different strengths and weaknesses, but Foles should fit this offense better.


At this point I think the focus on the QB’s is all wrong -the full attention at this point should be on Matt Nagy and his inability to put a competent offense on the field once a week.

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Nagy didn’t quite know what to make of Griese’s comments when they were read to him over Zoom after the game.

“Whenever you talk to Nick, just have to see where he’s at with that,” Nagy said. “Nick and I have a pretty good relationship, and he hasn’t said anything. He’ll probably explain what he meant by that.”

So what did Foles mean?

“That was definitely a miscommunication between Brian and I,” Foles said. “We do these pregame conversations the day before the game just to give him information. Coach Nagy and I have a great conversation on the sideline so there might be times where we go through it beforehand and say, ‘Hey, what do you think?’ And there’s times you got to the ball out quick and whatnot. But in those situations, like Matt and I have a great relationship with conversations and everything. I think in that situation with Brian, it was just a miscommunication of words because that’s not what I was trying to bring across in that conversation.

“When Coach Nagy and I talk on the sideline, we’ll go through plays and different situations and go through the defense. I’ll be honest like, hey, you know right now, maybe get the ball out quicker. They’re bringing some pressure and whatnot. We were talking about game situations and different … Coach Nagy and I’s conversations and our relationship, so part of that was the detail of hey, maybe we don’t have the time right now for this type of drop because of what they’re bringing and the pressure they’re bringing. It’s easier with that to go, hey, 1, 2, 3, ball out.

“That’s where the miscommunication (with Griese) lies. Those are actually the conversations Coach Nagy and I have on the sidelines so that when we go to the field we’re ready to roll, and I think that’s a valuable relationship I have with him to be able to talk like that to understand specifically. You’ve heard me talk about each game is its own entity, so you have to understand how to play it in the appropriate way.”

Fine, the “Griese problem” was solved. It surely helped that Foles was shown a video of Griese’s comments. But Foles’ explanation still raises more questions. If his communication is that strong and productive with Nagy, why doesn’t it show up on the field?



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You're conflating two things here. Foles wasn't my first choice to replace Trubinsky but yes I did say he's better than Trubinsky both before and after he got here. And yes, he can diagnose coverages and read defenses. Those attributes directly led to the TB and ATL wins.

His lack of ability to read defenses directly led to two INTs and a loss yesterday as well.

Others have mentioned this but the Trubinsky stuff comes off like you're 8 years old. It matches up well with your football thoughts, but just figured I'd let you know in case you want to drop it from the repetoire.


I don't what your end game is here - I saw that he sucked well before his Rick-led jock sniffing crew saw it and I want to make sure they/you remember that you backed and continue to back the biggest bust in Chicago sports history.

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 Post subject: Re: Bears at Rams
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I’ll say this, if the bears can’t put up over 24 points on the saints, there’s no hope for this team. The saints D are turnstiles.


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veganfan21 wrote:

You're conflating two things here. Foles wasn't my first choice to replace Trubinsky but yes I did say he's better than Trubinsky both before and after he got here. And yes, he can diagnose coverages and read defenses. Those attributes directly led to the TB and ATL wins.

His lack of ability to read defenses directly led to two INTs and a loss yesterday as well.

Others have mentioned this but the Trubinsky stuff comes off like you're 8 years old. It matches up well with your football thoughts, but just figured I'd let you know in case you want to drop it from the repetoire.


I don't what your end game is here - I saw that he sucked well before his Rick-led jock sniffing crew saw it and I want to make sure they/you remember that you backed and continue to back the biggest bust in Chicago sports history.

Mitch has won more games than he has lost as a starter, made a Pro Bowl, and led the Bears to the playoffs in his 2nd season as a starter. If you think he is the biggest bust in Chicago sports history that just tells me that you're woefully uninformed about Chicago sports history.

You can lie and backpedal all you want about Foles now but we all saw what you wrote here the last several weeks. Just a few days ago you doubled down on Foles outproducing Mitch in PPG scored. That isn't coming close to happening, and your only comment now is "well they both suck". Take the L on Foles like a man of integrity.

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I’ll say this, if the bears can’t put up over 24 points on the saints, there’s no hope for this team. The saints D are turnstiles.


they will fail to find the end zone at all

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You're conflating two things here. Foles wasn't my first choice to replace Trubinsky but yes I did say he's better than Trubinsky both before and after he got here. And yes, he can diagnose coverages and read defenses. Those attributes directly led to the TB and ATL wins.

His lack of ability to read defenses directly led to two INTs and a loss yesterday as well.

Others have mentioned this but the Trubinsky stuff comes off like you're 8 years old. It matches up well with your football thoughts, but just figured I'd let you know in case you want to drop it from the repetoire.


I don't what your end game is here - I saw that he sucked well before his Rick-led jock sniffing crew saw it and I want to make sure they/you remember that you backed and continue to back the biggest bust in Chicago sports history.

Mitch has won more games than he has lost as a starter, made a Pro Bowl, and led the Bears to the playoffs in his 2nd season as a starter. If you think he is the biggest bust in Chicago sports history that just tells me that you're woefully uninformed about Chicago sports history.

You can lie and backpedal all you want about Foles now but we all saw what you wrote here the last several weeks. Just a few days ago you doubled down on Foles outproducing Mitch in PPG scored. That isn't coming close to happening, and your only comment now is "well they both suck". Take the L on Foles like a man of integrity.


Stand by the Foles comment and saying they both suck is not a lie nor is it inconsistent.

I notice you didn't address the Foles vs Rodgers comparison. Sore much? :lol:

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I notice you didn't address the Foles vs Rodgers comparison. Sore much? :lol:

Sore? No, it sounded like an 8 year old wrote it so why would I address it? Nobody thinks Foles and Rodgers are comparable in any way. You're gonna have to do better than that.

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I don't what your end game is here - I saw that he sucked well before his Rick-led jock sniffing crew saw it and I want to make sure they/you remember that you backed and continue to back the biggest bust in Chicago sports history.
I wanted (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky replaced right around the same time as you as the long term answer. The only difference is I wanted (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky back this year since it cost the Bears $0 to do so. That's it.

Even now, I only want (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky to play because he's better than Foles, and the Bears have a good record and a really good defense. Let (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky walk in the offseason.

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Mitch has won more games than he has lost as a starter


Misleading

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Pro Bowl


Misleading. Everyone makes the Pro Bowl.

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and led the Bears to the playoffs in his 2nd season as a starter.


No he didn't lead anyone to the playoffs. That's a lie right there.

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If you think he is the biggest bust in Chicago sports history that just tells me that you're woefully uninformed about Chicago sports history.



Name a bigger bust in this town relative to draft pick (2 plus other picks), position (most important position on the roster), and expectations (franchise QB).

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I don't what your end game is here - I saw that he sucked well before his Rick-led jock sniffing crew saw it and I want to make sure they/you remember that you backed and continue to back the biggest bust in Chicago sports history.
I wanted (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky replaced right around the same time as you as the long term answer. The only difference is I wanted (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky back this year since it cost the Bears $0 to do so. That's it.

Even now, I only want (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky to play because he's better than Foles, and the Bears have a good record and a really good defense. Let (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky walk in the offseason.


I won't contest this - agree to disagree on Mitch. Agreed on the defense and on letting him walk, obviously.

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Mitch has won more games than he has lost as a starter


Misleading

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Pro Bowl


Misleading. Everyone makes the Pro Bowl.

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and led the Bears to the playoffs in his 2nd season as a starter.


No he didn't lead anyone to the playoffs. That's a lie right there.


If you are going to call facts lies then it's gonna be tough to continue discussing this. There has to be at least some good faith on both sides.

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But to answer the only honest part of your post: Jay Williams and Cade McNown are bigger busts than Mitch and it's not even debatable.

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But to answer the only honest part of your post: Jay Williams and Cade McNown are bigger busts than Mitch and it's not even debatable.


That's just wrong. Williams was on his way to becoming a star before a catastrophic injury. Mitch wasn't on his way to anywhere - he's out of the picture because he sucks, not because of anything else.

McNown was more mid round than anything else. There's no way you can look at the price of (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky and the price of McNown and think there were more expectations of McNown.

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You're conflating two things here. Foles wasn't my first choice to replace Trubinsky but yes I did say he's better than Trubinsky both before and after he got here. And yes, he can diagnose coverages and read defenses. Those attributes directly led to the TB and ATL wins.

His lack of ability to read defenses directly led to two INTs and a loss yesterday as well.

Others have mentioned this but the Trubinsky stuff comes off like you're 8 years old. It matches up well with your football thoughts, but just figured I'd let you know in case you want to drop it from the repetoire.


:lol: :lol:

And you are making fun of vegan's football thoughts.

The first throw shouldn't have been made, the second was over thrown on a sideline route off a two deep zone.

Both throws were forced by excessive pressure coming at Foles.

Which is really his biggest issue. He doesn't deal with pressure well at all.

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Mitch has won more games than he has lost as a starter


Misleading

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Pro Bowl


Misleading. Everyone makes the Pro Bowl.

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and led the Bears to the playoffs in his 2nd season as a starter.


No he didn't lead anyone to the playoffs. That's a lie right there.


If you are going to call facts lies then it's gonna be tough to continue discussing this. There has to be at least some good faith on both sides.


Please state with a straight face that you believe (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky, and not a world class defense, was responsible for the Bears' playoff birth and I'll leave this alone.

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You're conflating two things here. Foles wasn't my first choice to replace Trubinsky but yes I did say he's better than Trubinsky both before and after he got here. And yes, he can diagnose coverages and read defenses. Those attributes directly led to the TB and ATL wins.

His lack of ability to read defenses directly led to two INTs and a loss yesterday as well.

Others have mentioned this but the Trubinsky stuff comes off like you're 8 years old. It matches up well with your football thoughts, but just figured I'd let you know in case you want to drop it from the repetoire.


:lol: :lol:

And you are making fun of vegan's football thoughts.

The first throw shouldn't have been made, the second was over thrown on a sideline route off a two deep zone.

Both throws were forced by excessive pressure coming at Foles.

Which is really his biggest issue. He doesn't deal with pressure well at all.

You have a poor memory old man. That endzone pick wasn't caused by excessive pressure, it was caused by Foles being a fucking idiot and not seeing his guy double covered.

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You're conflating two things here. Foles wasn't my first choice to replace Trubinsky but yes I did say he's better than Trubinsky both before and after he got here. And yes, he can diagnose coverages and read defenses. Those attributes directly led to the TB and ATL wins.

His lack of ability to read defenses directly led to two INTs and a loss yesterday as well.

Others have mentioned this but the Trubinsky stuff comes off like you're 8 years old. It matches up well with your football thoughts, but just figured I'd let you know in case you want to drop it from the repetoire.


:lol: :lol:

And you are making fun of vegan's football thoughts.

The first throw shouldn't have been made, the second was over thrown on a sideline route off a two deep zone.

Both throws were forced by excessive pressure coming at Foles.

Which is really his biggest issue. He doesn't deal with pressure well at all.

Foles throws it into double coverage all the time. Every so often it works but eventually it causes far more bad plays than good ones.

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Mitch has won more games than he has lost as a starter


Misleading

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Pro Bowl


Misleading. Everyone makes the Pro Bowl.

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and led the Bears to the playoffs in his 2nd season as a starter.


No he didn't lead anyone to the playoffs. That's a lie right there.


If you are going to call facts lies then it's gonna be tough to continue discussing this. There has to be at least some good faith on both sides.


Please state with a straight face that you believe (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky, and not a world class defense, was responsible for the Bears' playoff birth and I'll leave this alone.

They both were. If a worse QB, like 2020 Nick Foles, is the QB of that team they don't go 12-4 and make the playoffs. Mitch was good in 2018. He can be good again given the right coaching. Nick Foles is what he is - a bad QB who played well for a few games three years ago.

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Mitch has won more games than he has lost as a starter


Misleading

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Pro Bowl


Misleading. Everyone makes the Pro Bowl.

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and led the Bears to the playoffs in his 2nd season as a starter.


No he didn't lead anyone to the playoffs. That's a lie right there.


If you are going to call facts lies then it's gonna be tough to continue discussing this. There has to be at least some good faith on both sides.


Please state with a straight face that you believe (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky, and not a world class defense, was responsible for the Bears' playoff birth and I'll leave this alone.

They both were. If a worse QB, like 2020 Nick Foles, is the QB of that team they don't go 12-4 and make the playoffs. Mitch was good in 2018. He can be good again given the right coaching. Nick Foles is what he is - a bad QB who played well for a few games three years ago.


That's just wrong. The defense propped up the offense and everyone knows it. You wanna bet on Mitch?

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That's just wrong. The defense propped up the offense and everyone knows it. You wanna bet on Mitch?

It's not wrong. You can't argue that QB is the most important position in sports and then at the same time argue it doesn't matter who the QB of a particular team is/was. Doesn't work that way. Pick a lane.

And there's nothing to bet on with Mitch. He's not starting because Nagy is a dumbass.

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veganfan21 wrote:

You're conflating two things here. Foles wasn't my first choice to replace Trubinsky but yes I did say he's better than Trubinsky both before and after he got here. And yes, he can diagnose coverages and read defenses. Those attributes directly led to the TB and ATL wins.

His lack of ability to read defenses directly led to two INTs and a loss yesterday as well.

Others have mentioned this but the Trubinsky stuff comes off like you're 8 years old. It matches up well with your football thoughts, but just figured I'd let you know in case you want to drop it from the repetoire.


:lol: :lol:

And you are making fun of vegan's football thoughts.

The first throw shouldn't have been made, the second was over thrown on a sideline route off a two deep zone.

Both throws were forced by excessive pressure coming at Foles.

Which is really his biggest issue. He doesn't deal with pressure well at all.

Foles throws it into double coverage all the time. Every so often it works but eventually it causes far more bad plays than good ones.


He should have thrown the end zone pick away.

The back side replay showed three guys in the route tree, with two being double covered.

That's a Nagy play call issue too.

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I notice you didn't address the Foles vs Rodgers comparison. Sore much? :lol:
It was such a brilliant point that FF couldn't even respond to it.

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veganfan21 wrote:
I notice you didn't address the Foles vs Rodgers comparison. Sore much? :lol:
It was such a brilliant point that FF couldn't even respond to it.

The Erin stuff fit in well in 1994. Vegan is hip

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It was jet lag. They will beat the shit out of the Aints @ home next week. Nothing to worry about.


That's the spirit.

I'll give you that the Saints at home is not anymore difficult than the Rams on the road so if you felt confident going into the Ram game the same should be true of this week


The Aints barely just got by the Panthers on Sunday.
Barely getting by a bad team probably isn't the measure you want to use to prop up the Bears.

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But to answer the only honest part of your post: Jay Williams and Cade McNown are bigger busts than Mitch and it's not even debatable.

Jay Williams is comparable.
Cade was not a bigger bust. They didn't give up the house in draft picks to get Cade and Cade wasn't drafted 2 overall.

You're my guy, FF, but you're way off on Cade being comparable. Now if you want to argue Cade was a worse QB than Mitch...yes, I'll agree.

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It's not Trubiskys fault that a dumb trade was made to move up one spot for him.

If you could go back and pick (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky with pick 3 or Cade McNown at his pick or Curtis Enis at his pick or Kevin White at his pick then you easily choose (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky over them.

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