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Parkins : " Baseball is the ultimate process over results game " Huh ?


Yeah, I think he said even if the La Russa hiring ends up being successful, it's still the wrong move because in baseball the process is more important than the results. Even if the White Sox win the World Series with La Russa as manager it was still wrong to hire him because it was...morally wrong?


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Parkins : " Baseball is the ultimate process over results game " Huh ?


Yeah, I think he said even if the La Russa hiring ends up being successful, it's still the wrong move because in baseball the process is more important than the results. Even if the White Sox win the World Series with La Russa as manager it was still wrong to hire him because it was...morally wrong?


Parkins just said even if things go well on the field, they won’t go well off it. Then he said his record was a result of compiling- and his cohost completely shot that down, saying LaRussa was successful in every era/decade.

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1) Tony is going to destroy the MOJO the Sox get from flipping their bats

2) It's impossible for a manager to win ballgames if he has different opinions than his players.

These talking points I've been hearing today are so fucking stupid. The guy is a great manager. The only reasonable criticism is his age.


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1) Tony is going to destroy the MOJO the Sox get from flipping their bats

2) It's impossible for a manager to win ballgames if he has different opinions than his players.

These talking points I've been hearing today are so fucking stupid. The guy is a great manager. The only reasonable criticism is his age.


Yeah, Pujols was run out of town by Tony for his celebrations :roll:

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Can someone do the cliff notes of why he can't relate to black and hispanic players? Is it really just the kneeling comment or is there other shit?

Yeah, they are being racist against Tony LaRussa.

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Parkins : " Baseball is the ultimate process over results game " Huh ?


Yeah, I think he said even if the La Russa hiring ends up being successful, it's still the wrong move because in baseball the process is more important than the results. Even if the White Sox win the World Series with La Russa as manager it was still wrong to hire him because it was...morally wrong?


Parkins just said even if things go well on the field, they won’t go well off it. Then he said his record was a result of compiling- and his cohost completely shot that down, saying LaRussa was successful in every era/decade.

They're going to look back at this era with utter confusion someday. These people are paid to think (and share their thoughts), but they are not thinking. They are just spouting pre-fabricated bullshit that we could have all predicted. No guts. Shannon Ryan in the Tribune does the same thing with her assumptions that college football should be cancelled because of Covid.

No original thought whatsoever. Just safe, pre-approved, I look like the good guy nonsense. And it often seems to hinge on race which, while important, is not the most important aspect in American life.


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Not that it matters anymore ( or that it ever did) but the Score really embarrassed themselves (again) today.

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Not that it matters anymore ( or that it ever did) but the Score really embarrassed themselves (again) today.


It's just a boring station now. You know what their hot takes will be before they even get on air. Can someone fire Mitch Rosen so the new guy can reboot this dumpster fire of a station.


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Enough.

It'll be obvious by the All Star game whether or not he's up to it. If he unfortunately struggles Sandy Alomar is there waiting in the wings, I'm fine either way. But hopefully he's up to it.

And it's laughable that a station filled with over educated nerds would have the nerve to take the positions they did.

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Enough.

It'll be obvious by the All Star game whether or not he's up to it. If he unfortunately struggles Sandy Alomar is there waiting in the wings, I'm fine either way. But hopefully he's up to it.

And it's laughable that a station filled with over educated nerds would have the nerve to take the positions they did.


Agree with everything you said.

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Has anyone been able to find any examples of LaRussa not getting along with a minority player or a minority player having a problem playing for him ?

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where is he getting this? from the 2 Sox fans at the score? What does he know about Sox-dom being a Cubs fan?

I've seen the twitter and reddit white sox board and I'd say it's like 50/50 sox fans for and against. no way overwhemling against as he makes it sound.


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Did he do a scientific poll?

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Did he do a scientific poll?

Yeah . Leery and Goff.

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Did he do a scientific poll?

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It’s white Sox Twitter for the most part fueling the TLR hate.

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Did he do a scientific poll?

Away from here, every White Sox fan I know thought that Kapernick was disrespectful and is a 30+ year white male who makes fun of analytics. So they are probably thrilled

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Did he do a scientific poll?

Away from here, every White Sox fan I know thought that Kapernick was disrespectful and is a 30+ year white male who makes fun of analytics. So they are probably thrilled

It's funny, all of the Sox fans under 25 I know, they all don't like the move. My own sons were pissed.

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Not that it matters anymore ( or that it ever did) but the Score really embarrassed themselves (again) today.

Turned it on for a few minutes and they were talking about LaRussa and players protesting and I went over to Waddle and Silvy. What a difference. It was enjoyable sports talk.

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So the morally acceptable hire would have been the guy who cheated ?


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So the morally acceptable hire would have been the guy who cheated ?

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1) Tony is going to destroy the MOJO the Sox get from flipping their bats

2) It's impossible for a manager to win ballgames if he has different opinions than his players.

These talking points I've been hearing today are so fucking stupid. The guy is a great manager. The only reasonable criticism is his age.


Agreed. He had to put up with this bullshit in Oakland.
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I don't think T.Anderson flipping his bat after a big hit is going to phase him. If anything you might need to wake him up from his nap when this happens.

Didn't Parkin's just say you need to stop public shaming people a week ago? LaRussa is allowed to say how he feels and the players are allowed to talk to him about it if it bothers them.

Everyone else needs to STFU and recognize this as a great signing for the Sox.


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Even if they win, it won't be the same. It won't be what it could've been, not now that the White Sox have chosen to insult their fans by rushing to hire Tony La Russa as their manager.

This is the worst of all possible fits, as all of the positive energy generated by one of the most expressive and outwardly joyful teams in sports will now be suppressed by a dour and backward baseball grump who hasn't done the job in a decade.

Not this team, not now. Not him.

It's a franchise that has leaned into its players' outspokenness and proud multiculturalism, going so far as to adopt the marketing slogan "Change the Game" that embraces and celebrates their identity. Yet in La Russa, the White Sox are getting a man deeply critical of such things in a way that suggests he shouldn't even have a role in the game at all, let alone here. He's a Glenn Beck supporter and a vocal critic of peaceful protest by professional athletes.

"There are ways to express your belief in some of the issues that face Blacks around this country without disrespecting the country you live in," La Russa told the Dan Le Batard show in 2016. "I absolutely would not allow it."

He called Colin Kaepernick an insincere self-promoter, refusing to legitimize the real reasons behind the protest and willfully misunderstanding the point.


In February 2020 -- Black History Month -- he appeared on In Depth with Graham Bensinger.

"There's a different way to protest it," La Russa said. "When you kneel, you disrespect the flag, the country and the anthem. It's the wrong way to protest."

So sayeth Tony Ditka, who feels it's his place to tell people of color what behavior is correct and what isn't.

On July 24 at Guaranteed Rate Field, White Sox stars Tim Anderson, Eloy Jimenez, Luis Robert, Jose Abreu and Lucas Giolito were among those taking a knee in protest of police violence against people of color, and their new leader finds that entirely unacceptable.

La Russa paid lukewarm lip-service to these issues when asked Thursday, claiming that that his views have changed enough to allow for protests only if there is also further action taken. On-field celebration also can be acceptable if he judges it sufficiently "sincere." It's all still up to the privileged old white male to be the gatekeeper of what's allowed, instead of accepting his players as equal human beings and citizens.

La Russa also rattled off a list of Black people he managed in an attempt to prove, "I don't have a racist bone in my body."


"I can name you at least, with the White Sox, whether it was Chet Lemon, Junior Moore or Harold Baines, you go to the A's, with Dave Stewart, Rickey Henderson, Dave Parker. You go to St. Louis with Ray Lankford, Brian Jordan, Reggie Sanders, I mean, I'll take my chances if you talk to any of those people."

That's the pathetic "I have some Black friends" defense, and it elicited a cringe.

This whole thing does.


It was all so promising when general manager Rick Hahn told us after firing manager Rick Renteria on Oct. 12 that he was looking for an end to the White Sox's habit of always looking inward instead of outward, preparing to embrace the freshness of new and different ideas that would befit a dynamic, young team.

"This is an opportunity for us as an organization," Hahn said. "We've obviously been somewhat insular in terms of our managerial hirings over the last several years. This is an opportunity for us to speak to individuals with other organizations that have had success and learn from them and get their sort of outsider objective perspective on our organization."

A grim-looking Hahn tried to walk that back after the White Sox made the ultimately insular hire so chairman Jerry Reinsdorf could right some ancient wrong, without even interviewing A.J. Hinch. Hahn claimed this became a consensus after the surprise of La Russa's interest, but nobody who's paying attention believed him.

Hahn now has to work with a manager who may hold more organizational sway than he does, with his five painstaking years of rebuilding with savvy trades, productive development, well-timed free-agent signings and carefully negotiated team-friendly contracts amid an atmosphere of youthful energy culminating in this.

It may still work well enough, of course, in a sport in which managers aren't necessarily a limiting factor.

But it hurts that it just won't be as enjoyable, now. Rooting for La Russa is a chore, before we even get into trusting what's still left of his tactical or strategic skill.

The White Sox were so close to breaking through as a buoyant example of player-first sensibility and openness to all the newest and freshest ideas.

The hiring of Tony La Russa, alas, has changed the game.

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Even if they win, it won't be the same. It won't be what it could've been, not now that the White Sox have chosen to insult their fans by rushing to hire Tony La Russa as their manager.

This is the worst of all possible fits, as all of the positive energy generated by one of the most expressive and outwardly joyful teams in sports will now be suppressed by a dour and backward baseball grump who hasn't done the job in a decade.

Not this team, not now. Not him.

It's a franchise that has leaned into its players' outspokenness and proud multiculturalism, going so far as to adopt the marketing slogan "Change the Game" that embraces and celebrates their identity. Yet in La Russa, the White Sox are getting a man deeply critical of such things in a way that suggests he shouldn't even have a role in the game at all, let alone here. He's a Glenn Beck supporter and a vocal critic of peaceful protest by professional athletes.

"There are ways to express your belief in some of the issues that face Blacks around this country without disrespecting the country you live in," La Russa told the Dan Le Batard show in 2016. "I absolutely would not allow it."

He called Colin Kaepernick an insincere self-promoter, refusing to legitimize the real reasons behind the protest and willfully misunderstanding the point.


In February 2020 -- Black History Month -- he appeared on In Depth with Graham Bensinger.

"There's a different way to protest it," La Russa said. "When you kneel, you disrespect the flag, the country and the anthem. It's the wrong way to protest."

So sayeth Tony Ditka, who feels it's his place to tell people of color what behavior is correct and what isn't.

On July 24 at Guaranteed Rate Field, White Sox stars Tim Anderson, Eloy Jimenez, Luis Robert, Jose Abreu and Lucas Giolito were among those taking a knee in protest of police violence against people of color, and their new leader finds that entirely unacceptable.

La Russa paid lukewarm lip-service to these issues when asked Thursday, claiming that that his views have changed enough to allow for protests only if there is also further action taken. On-field celebration also can be acceptable if he judges it sufficiently "sincere." It's all still up to the privileged old white male to be the gatekeeper of what's allowed, instead of accepting his players as equal human beings and citizens.

La Russa also rattled off a list of Black people he managed in an attempt to prove, "I don't have a racist bone in my body."


"I can name you at least, with the White Sox, whether it was Chet Lemon, Junior Moore or Harold Baines, you go to the A's, with Dave Stewart, Rickey Henderson, Dave Parker. You go to St. Louis with Ray Lankford, Brian Jordan, Reggie Sanders, I mean, I'll take my chances if you talk to any of those people."

That's the pathetic "I have some Black friends" defense, and it elicited a cringe.

This whole thing does.


It was all so promising when general manager Rick Hahn told us after firing manager Rick Renteria on Oct. 12 that he was looking for an end to the White Sox's habit of always looking inward instead of outward, preparing to embrace the freshness of new and different ideas that would befit a dynamic, young team.

"This is an opportunity for us as an organization," Hahn said. "We've obviously been somewhat insular in terms of our managerial hirings over the last several years. This is an opportunity for us to speak to individuals with other organizations that have had success and learn from them and get their sort of outsider objective perspective on our organization."

A grim-looking Hahn tried to walk that back after the White Sox made the ultimately insular hire so chairman Jerry Reinsdorf could right some ancient wrong, without even interviewing A.J. Hinch. Hahn claimed this became a consensus after the surprise of La Russa's interest, but nobody who's paying attention believed him.

Hahn now has to work with a manager who may hold more organizational sway than he does, with his five painstaking years of rebuilding with savvy trades, productive development, well-timed free-agent signings and carefully negotiated team-friendly contracts amid an atmosphere of youthful energy culminating in this.

It may still work well enough, of course, in a sport in which managers aren't necessarily a limiting factor.

But it hurts that it just won't be as enjoyable, now. Rooting for La Russa is a chore, before we even get into trusting what's still left of his tactical or strategic skill.

The White Sox were so close to breaking through as a buoyant example of player-first sensibility and openness to all the newest and freshest ideas.

The hiring of Tony La Russa, alas, has changed the game.


More people will stop watching the Sox because of these extreme responses to what should be a sports centered event then people who will stop watching because they hired LaRussa.

This is what happens when your leftist agenda backfires back onto things you enjoy and love.


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For 30 years, he had a crutch named Dave Duncan, his pitching coach and his analytics man. IMO, he was more important to the teams' success than Lou Pinella...er... I mean, Tony LaRussa ever was.

Will the ol' fella reminisce about the great Dick Williams after a tough loss? I think, yes. He will be set in his ways just like every get off my lawn old timer. Meanwhile, this "Owner's Choice" probably costs the franchise it's best GM since either Himes or Hemond.


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The majority of the staff at The Score, as I love you fels would say, are "filling their collective diaper". Bernstein should try and recall how great he felt pissing all over North's grave when he was out at The Score because that is how a whole lot of people are going to feel when he is gone. The behavior of The Score staff today was embarrasing.

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