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Why would an actual Sox fan find a World Series win any less enjoyable bc he doesn’t personally like the manager?

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The majority of the staff at The Score, as I love you fels would say, are "filling their collective diaper". Bernstein should try and recall how great he felt pissing all over North's grave when he was out at The Score because that is how a whole lot of people are going to feel when he is gone. The behavior of The Score staff today was embarrasing.

I didn't listen. Why would I? But it sounds like once again, the lede has been buried. Hahn specifically said he wanted a manager with recent post season success. Today JR turned him into Fredo.


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Why would an actual Sox fan find a World Series win any less enjoyable bc he doesn’t personally like the manager?

I hope he does win a WS. But I also think it's the GM's pick and it was egregious to humiliate him in this way after what he's done so quickly for the franchise.


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They tried the player first manager last year. They lost focus several times during a 60 game season. Bernstein can shove his phony grandstanding up his hypocritical ass.

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No one cares what Score hosts say. If we look at recent books, no one listens to those asswipes.

They are irrelevant in the landscape and have no influence with anyone outside of a few small Twitter cliques

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As per usual, look to Barstool for the best take on this


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Even if they win, it won't be the same. It won't be what it could've been, not now that the White Sox have chosen to insult their fans by rushing to hire Tony La Russa as their manager.

This is the worst of all possible fits, as all of the positive energy generated by one of the most expressive and outwardly joyful teams in sports will now be suppressed by a dour and backward baseball grump who hasn't done the job in a decade.

Not this team, not now. Not him.

It's a franchise that has leaned into its players' outspokenness and proud multiculturalism, going so far as to adopt the marketing slogan "Change the Game" that embraces and celebrates their identity. Yet in La Russa, the White Sox are getting a man deeply critical of such things in a way that suggests he shouldn't even have a role in the game at all, let alone here. He's a Glenn Beck supporter and a vocal critic of peaceful protest by professional athletes.

"There are ways to express your belief in some of the issues that face Blacks around this country without disrespecting the country you live in," La Russa told the Dan Le Batard show in 2016. "I absolutely would not allow it."

He called Colin Kaepernick an insincere self-promoter, refusing to legitimize the real reasons behind the protest and willfully misunderstanding the point.


In February 2020 -- Black History Month -- he appeared on In Depth with Graham Bensinger.

"There's a different way to protest it," La Russa said. "When you kneel, you disrespect the flag, the country and the anthem. It's the wrong way to protest."

So sayeth Tony Ditka, who feels it's his place to tell people of color what behavior is correct and what isn't.

On July 24 at Guaranteed Rate Field, White Sox stars Tim Anderson, Eloy Jimenez, Luis Robert, Jose Abreu and Lucas Giolito were among those taking a knee in protest of police violence against people of color, and their new leader finds that entirely unacceptable.

La Russa paid lukewarm lip-service to these issues when asked Thursday, claiming that that his views have changed enough to allow for protests only if there is also further action taken. On-field celebration also can be acceptable if he judges it sufficiently "sincere." It's all still up to the privileged old white male to be the gatekeeper of what's allowed, instead of accepting his players as equal human beings and citizens.

La Russa also rattled off a list of Black people he managed in an attempt to prove, "I don't have a racist bone in my body."


"I can name you at least, with the White Sox, whether it was Chet Lemon, Junior Moore or Harold Baines, you go to the A's, with Dave Stewart, Rickey Henderson, Dave Parker. You go to St. Louis with Ray Lankford, Brian Jordan, Reggie Sanders, I mean, I'll take my chances if you talk to any of those people."

That's the pathetic "I have some Black friends" defense, and it elicited a cringe.

This whole thing does.


It was all so promising when general manager Rick Hahn told us after firing manager Rick Renteria on Oct. 12 that he was looking for an end to the White Sox's habit of always looking inward instead of outward, preparing to embrace the freshness of new and different ideas that would befit a dynamic, young team.

"This is an opportunity for us as an organization," Hahn said. "We've obviously been somewhat insular in terms of our managerial hirings over the last several years. This is an opportunity for us to speak to individuals with other organizations that have had success and learn from them and get their sort of outsider objective perspective on our organization."

A grim-looking Hahn tried to walk that back after the White Sox made the ultimately insular hire so chairman Jerry Reinsdorf could right some ancient wrong, without even interviewing A.J. Hinch. Hahn claimed this became a consensus after the surprise of La Russa's interest, but nobody who's paying attention believed him.

Hahn now has to work with a manager who may hold more organizational sway than he does, with his five painstaking years of rebuilding with savvy trades, productive development, well-timed free-agent signings and carefully negotiated team-friendly contracts amid an atmosphere of youthful energy culminating in this.

It may still work well enough, of course, in a sport in which managers aren't necessarily a limiting factor.

But it hurts that it just won't be as enjoyable, now. Rooting for La Russa is a chore, before we even get into trusting what's still left of his tactical or strategic skill.

The White Sox were so close to breaking through as a buoyant example of player-first sensibility and openness to all the newest and freshest ideas.

The hiring of Tony La Russa, alas, has changed the game.


More people will stop watching the Sox because of these extreme responses to what should be a sports centered event then people who will stop watching because they hired LaRussa.

This is what happens when your leftist agenda backfires back onto things you enjoy and love.


I did cringe when he used the "racist bone" trope. But you know what's really cringey? That he's being put through a struggle session for having the temerity to express the opinion- shared by a majority of Americans, many of them "Of Color"- that kneeling for the national anthem is disrespectful.

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It is pretty funny that he literally named like 12 black guys he's managed

I wish he would have kept going, there are more!

Ray King
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It is pretty funny that he literally named like 12 black guys he's managed

I wish he would have kept going, there are more!

Ray King
Dave Henderson
Kenny Williams?


I think he named Hendu.

I don't ever remember him beefing with a player.

I've never liked LaRussa going back to when he threatened Piersall but the Score's approach is making me change my mind.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
It is pretty funny that he literally named like 12 black guys he's managed

I wish he would have kept going, there are more!

Ray King
Dave Henderson
Kenny Williams?


I think he named Hendu.

I don't ever remember him beefing with a player.

I've never liked LaRussa going back to when he threatened Piersall but the Score's approach is making me change my mind.

I'm not a big fan, but Jimmy went wildly over the line iirc.

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I love that Bernstein says managing black players for years isn’t proof of anything. What is LaRussa supposed to say that while he’s managed all time greats of all races that he won’t be able to connect with Tim Anderson?

I guess we’ll have to settle for the World Series win not meaning as much like the Cubs with Chapman.

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I did cringe when he used the "racist bone" trope. But you know what's really cringey? That he's being put through a struggle session for having the temerity to express the opinion- shared by a majority of Americans, many of them "Of Color"- that kneeling for the national anthem is disrespectful.


Nothing wrong with cringing or not liking what he said or what he stands for. They take it to a whole different level when they start talking about not enjoying a World Series and projecting what they think he will do to the team before he even has a chance to put on the jersey.

How can they praise the White Sox for being "one of the most expressive" teams in sports and then in the next sentence attack LaRussa for being a vocal critic? If he was a vocal critic on an issue they agree with like global warming, they would say this is the best coaching hire since Mike Ditka. Since it is an issue they don't agree with, they crucify LaRussa like he is the head of the KKK. It's ridiculous and what is wrong with society in 2020. You want a reason why Trump won in 2016. Media and SJW like the "columnist" who wrote that article is a big reason.


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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
It is pretty funny that he literally named like 12 black guys he's managed

I wish he would have kept going, there are more!

Ray King
Dave Henderson
Kenny Williams?


I think he named Hendu.

I don't ever remember him beefing with a player.

I've never liked LaRussa going back to when he threatened Piersall but the Score's approach is making me change my mind.

I'm not a big fan, but Jimmy went wildly over the line iirc.



I don't remember what spurred it on. I thought he just got tired of Jimmy and Harry's criticisms. Jimmy really was crazy though. Those guys were a great listen.

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I think the story was Jimmy was hosting post game and LaRussa and Leyland showed up and told him to back off or they were going to kick his ass. IIRC. I remember one post game where Jimmy had an umbrella out and I think he said "It's raining errors" or something like that.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Juiced wrote:
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More people will stop watching the Sox because of these extreme responses to what should be a sports centered event then people who will stop watching because they hired LaRussa.

This is what happens when your leftist agenda backfires back onto things you enjoy and love.


I did cringe when he used the "racist bone" trope. But you know what's really cringey? That he's being put through a struggle session for having the temerity to express the opinion- shared by a majority of Americans, many of them "Of Color"- that kneeling for the national anthem is disrespectful.


They’re basically saying LaRussa is wrong to be “ offended “ by kneeling and the players correct to be offended by LaRussa being offended by kneeling .

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
It is pretty funny that he literally named like 12 black guys he's managed

I wish he would have kept going, there are more!

Ray King
Dave Henderson
Kenny Williams?


I think he named Hendu.

I don't ever remember him beefing with a player.

I've never liked LaRussa going back to when he threatened Piersall but the Score's approach is making me change my mind.

I'm not a big fan, but Jimmy went wildly over the line iirc.



I don't remember what spurred it on. I thought he just got tired of Jimmy and Harry's criticisms. Jimmy really was crazy though. Those guys were a great listen.


Agreed on the listen part, but I believe that he called the Sox' wives and girlfriends largely bitche.s and whores glomming on for the money.

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loved Jimmy. loved his entire life story and all the challenges he overcame w/ a mental handicap. and everyone jimmy coached loved him. legends to guys who had a cup of coffee. no one like jimmy will ever come around again. one of a kind.

Here he is with one of his best friends he met when he played during his red sox days :

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Regular Reader wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Regular Reader wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
It is pretty funny that he literally named like 12 black guys he's managed

I wish he would have kept going, there are more!

Ray King
Dave Henderson
Kenny Williams?


I think he named Hendu.

I don't ever remember him beefing with a player.

I've never liked LaRussa going back to when he threatened Piersall but the Score's approach is making me change my mind.

I'm not a big fan, but Jimmy went wildly over the line iirc.



I don't remember what spurred it on. I thought he just got tired of Jimmy and Harry's criticisms. Jimmy really was crazy though. Those guys were a great listen.


Agreed on the listen part, but I believe that he called the Sox' wives and girlfriends largely bitche.s and whores glomming on for the money.



:lol: "Horny broads!" I had a bumper sticker on my car that said "HORNY BROADS FOR PIERSALL".

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Regular Reader wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Regular Reader wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
It is pretty funny that he literally named like 12 black guys he's managed

I wish he would have kept going, there are more!

Ray King
Dave Henderson
Kenny Williams?


I think he named Hendu.

I don't ever remember him beefing with a player.

I've never liked LaRussa going back to when he threatened Piersall but the Score's approach is making me change my mind.

I'm not a big fan, but Jimmy went wildly over the line iirc.



I don't remember what spurred it on. I thought he just got tired of Jimmy and Harry's criticisms. Jimmy really was crazy though. Those guys were a great listen.


Agreed on the listen part, but I believe that he called the Sox' wives and girlfriends largely bitche.s and whores glomming on for the money.



:lol: "Horny broads!" I had a bumper sticker on my car that said "HORNY BROADS FOR PIERSALL".

If I'd have put a bumper sticker on my bucket back then, it would've made it the most attractive thing on that piece of crap.

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If I'd have put a bumper sticker on my bucket back then, it would've made it the most attractive thing on that piece of crap.


You just described my car!

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Is the 3-batter minimum rule in effect next year? Did anyone tell La Russa about this, if so?

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If I'd have put a bumper sticker on my bucket back then, it would've made it the most attractive thing on that piece of crap.


You just described my car!

I never bothered to lock the doors, there was nothing to steal inside.

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What are Bernstein's numbers for his trimmed down, sorry excuse for a show?

I want to try and gauge when he will get launched, so I can do a fucking raindance so damn hard that a freaking monsoon will drench his ass as he is walking home with his belongings in a box.

I can't stand that smarmy fucker.

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It's good dolphin. I'm not so bold as to capitalize.

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Did he do a scientific poll?

Away from here, every White Sox fan I know thought that Kapernick was disrespectful and is a 30+ year white male who makes fun of analytics. So they are probably thrilled

It's funny, all of the Sox fans under 25 I know, they all don't like the move. My own sons were pissed.


How much of that is the media telling them they should be angry.

I'm not thrilled with a guy that age taking on a team that already has seemed to find itself and has its existing veteran leadership. It doesn't make me angry. I'm more underwhelmed, kind of like when SD swooped in and stole Machado.

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Even if they win, it won't be the same. It won't be what it could've been, not now that the White Sox have chosen to insult their fans by rushing to hire Tony La Russa as their manager.

This is the worst of all possible fits, as all of the positive energy generated by one of the most expressive and outwardly joyful teams in sports will now be suppressed by a dour and backward baseball grump who hasn't done the job in a decade.

Not this team, not now. Not him.

It's a franchise that has leaned into its players' outspokenness and proud multiculturalism, going so far as to adopt the marketing slogan "Change the Game" that embraces and celebrates their identity. Yet in La Russa, the White Sox are getting a man deeply critical of such things in a way that suggests he shouldn't even have a role in the game at all, let alone here. He's a Glenn Beck supporter and a vocal critic of peaceful protest by professional athletes.

"There are ways to express your belief in some of the issues that face Blacks around this country without disrespecting the country you live in," La Russa told the Dan Le Batard show in 2016. "I absolutely would not allow it."

He called Colin Kaepernick an insincere self-promoter, refusing to legitimize the real reasons behind the protest and willfully misunderstanding the point.


In February 2020 -- Black History Month -- he appeared on In Depth with Graham Bensinger.

"There's a different way to protest it," La Russa said. "When you kneel, you disrespect the flag, the country and the anthem. It's the wrong way to protest."

So sayeth Tony Ditka, who feels it's his place to tell people of color what behavior is correct and what isn't.

On July 24 at Guaranteed Rate Field, White Sox stars Tim Anderson, Eloy Jimenez, Luis Robert, Jose Abreu and Lucas Giolito were among those taking a knee in protest of police violence against people of color, and their new leader finds that entirely unacceptable.

La Russa paid lukewarm lip-service to these issues when asked Thursday, claiming that that his views have changed enough to allow for protests only if there is also further action taken. On-field celebration also can be acceptable if he judges it sufficiently "sincere." It's all still up to the privileged old white male to be the gatekeeper of what's allowed, instead of accepting his players as equal human beings and citizens.

La Russa also rattled off a list of Black people he managed in an attempt to prove, "I don't have a racist bone in my body."


"I can name you at least, with the White Sox, whether it was Chet Lemon, Junior Moore or Harold Baines, you go to the A's, with Dave Stewart, Rickey Henderson, Dave Parker. You go to St. Louis with Ray Lankford, Brian Jordan, Reggie Sanders, I mean, I'll take my chances if you talk to any of those people."

That's the pathetic "I have some Black friends" defense, and it elicited a cringe.

This whole thing does.


It was all so promising when general manager Rick Hahn told us after firing manager Rick Renteria on Oct. 12 that he was looking for an end to the White Sox's habit of always looking inward instead of outward, preparing to embrace the freshness of new and different ideas that would befit a dynamic, young team.

"This is an opportunity for us as an organization," Hahn said. "We've obviously been somewhat insular in terms of our managerial hirings over the last several years. This is an opportunity for us to speak to individuals with other organizations that have had success and learn from them and get their sort of outsider objective perspective on our organization."

A grim-looking Hahn tried to walk that back after the White Sox made the ultimately insular hire so chairman Jerry Reinsdorf could right some ancient wrong, without even interviewing A.J. Hinch. Hahn claimed this became a consensus after the surprise of La Russa's interest, but nobody who's paying attention believed him.

Hahn now has to work with a manager who may hold more organizational sway than he does, with his five painstaking years of rebuilding with savvy trades, productive development, well-timed free-agent signings and carefully negotiated team-friendly contracts amid an atmosphere of youthful energy culminating in this.

It may still work well enough, of course, in a sport in which managers aren't necessarily a limiting factor.

But it hurts that it just won't be as enjoyable, now. Rooting for La Russa is a chore, before we even get into trusting what's still left of his tactical or strategic skill.

The White Sox were so close to breaking through as a buoyant example of player-first sensibility and openness to all the newest and freshest ideas.

The hiring of Tony La Russa, alas, has changed the game.


Have at it, English structure guys.

You can find fun right in sentence number one.

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For 30 years, he had a crutch named Dave Duncan, his pitching coach and his analytics man. IMO, he was more important to the teams' success than Lou Pinella...er... I mean, Tony LaRussa ever was.

Will the ol' fella reminisce about the great Dick Williams after a tough loss? I think, yes. He will be set in his ways just like every get off my lawn old timer. Meanwhile, this "Owner's Choice" probably costs the franchise it's best GM since either Himes or Hemond.


Hahn is incredibly replaceable. He got us into this mess in the first place...or was that KW?

Hahn's entire existence at the White Sox has included the public not knowing exactly what should be attributed to him or others.

There are only 32 GM jobs and this is one he can have for life. I think he will stay.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
It is pretty funny that he literally named like 12 black guys he's managed

I wish he would have kept going, there are more!

Ray King
Dave Henderson
Kenny Williams?


I think he named Hendu.

I don't ever remember him beefing with a player.

I've never liked LaRussa going back to when he threatened Piersall but the Score's approach is making me change my mind.

I'm not a big fan, but Jimmy went wildly over the line iirc.


As Jimmy said, "I'm crazy and I've got the papers to prove it."

Loved him, but you were always juggling knives with him

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2020 8:16 am 
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:lol: "Horny broads!" I had a bumper sticker on my car that said "HORNY BROADS FOR PIERSALL".

If I'd have put a bumper sticker on my bucket back then, it would've made it the most attractive thing on that piece of crap.[/quote]

Geeze, you guys are old.

Maybe you can be on staff for the Sox

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