So as a Packers fan you think the Bears should just stay the course?

This doesn’t seem like a good faith conversation.

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I don't really disagree, but how many decent coaches and GM's have the Bears had over the last 25 or 30 years? Jerry Angelo and Lovie Smith is probably about as good as it gets.

The problem lies with the ownership and the bean counters who try to run a football team more than anything else.

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All they can do is get healthy. Nagy obviously isn't getting fired. Mitch is hurt and they have 3rd string people playing on the o line.

There's not much they can do. Nagy benched the best QB on the roster even though he was undefeated this year at the time, then brought him in for a gimmick play to get hurt. The Bears are stuck with Foles and on their way to 7 wins max. Clean house this offseason.

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Def need a house cleaning.

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These GMs are so frustrating. We never get the full package:

Angelo:

hired one of the best coaches in Bears history
Built top five defense at different parts of his tenure
Failed to draft star talent on offense except for Forte (star-ish)

Emery:

Gambled and lost spectacularly on an out of the box coaching hire
Built the best Bears offense of the 2000s
Oversaw worst defense of the 2000s, possibly
Didn't draft well in the aggregate

Pace:

Gambled and failed spectacularly at QB
Compounded odd (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky pick by overpaying for it - sign of someone in over his head
Built one of the best defenses since the Lovie years
Acquired top 3 level talent in his prime via trade
Built one of the worst offenses of the 2000s

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The one constant of all those GMs, and my lifetime, is no franchise QB.

They’ve def tried to acquire one (Cutler, (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky), but it hasn’t worked out.

Until that riddle is solved we will always be a lower tier franchise.

Also, take the offensive line seriously every offseason.

It is enraging to watch the line play the last 14ish months.

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IIRC that Mel Tucker defense was the worst defense in franchise history.

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It's mostly through a lack of trying.

The Bears have used a first round pick to draft a quarterback 3 times since 1992.
The Packers, who had Brett Favre, and then Aaron Rodgers, have used a first round pick to draft a quarterback 2 times since 1992.

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Yes and no.

They have tried multiple times in the last 20 years to find a franchise QB.

Would I have liked them to try a few more times? Sure.

They are terrible at evaluation, and in Cutler’s case they put him behind a line just as bad as the current one.

By the time the offense was adequate a few years later his brain was jello.

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Cutler was just not a good NFL QB. No excuses still necessary post retirement.

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No one is good at QB evaluation. It's either someone everyone knows is a future star and is therefore the #1 pick(Manning, Luck) or it's a good amount of taking your best chance and crossing your fingers. If anyone had thought that Mahomes was this good they would have offered FAR more to the 49ers than the Bears did to take that spot and draft him. Even the Chiefs wouldn't have taken any chances.

I was arguing this before they drafted (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky but the best way to find a franchise quarterback is to draft a quarterback high and then be willing to move on if he doesn't reach that level. The Bears actually seem to be understanding that with (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky, though the Foles trade throws a lot of that out the window.

Using last year as an example, I don't think the Chargers or Dolphins really knew anything anyone else didn't. They used the high pick on a quarterback and early on it looks like they hit on it. Everyone knew Burrow was a pick with a very high chance of success so I won't put him in there.

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In my opinion that is exactly why the Dolphins put Tua in as the starter, if he can't play they have to be prepared to take another swing as they are going to have a high draft of the Texans.

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I’ll always be of the belief the Bears ruined him the first year after they traded for him.

But yeah, it was hard for him to get above mediocre after that last year in Denver.

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So bad luck Bears?

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I haven't watched a complete Bear game in years. But....how about Patterson left, Patterson right, and Patterson up the middle?

of course it's not easy and there will be misses, but the Bears have mis-evaluated QB in the draft and at Free Agency.

The Chiefs may not have known Mahomes was THAT good, but they've had other QB's perform very well. Same with Coach hoodie....same with the Packers...there are others.

Pace gave away the farm for Mitch and it was a huge miss. period. You can't give up that much and just say "Aww, shucks guess we missed on that pick". This team has NOTHING on offense...that is entirely on Pace.

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QB issue no more, Kyle Slotter is on his way.

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i blame phillips meddling/involvement in football operations... does bernstein still do shows defending ted phillips or is he no longer on the bears PR payroll because he isnt important anymore?

football thoughts like these make me question your acumen. Bears are going nowhere with Mitch. They could go somewhere with Nick.

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You are going to question somebody else's football knowledge in the same sentence that you insinuate Foles can take the Bears to the promised land?

Thats HawaiiYou levels of stupid.

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They’re going down the standings rapidly. Not sure where else you think Foles is taking them.

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What do you think the Bears record is if Mitch started every game this year?

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If Mitch wwre the starter, I think it's pretty likely the Bears would have beaten the saints. I don't think the game would have went to overtime. I think the Bears would have managed to score 24 points and win in regulation.

Not sure about yesterday, but one thing is for sure is that Mitch would have been able to move around and not taken as many hits or sacks as Foles did.

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If Pace does not draft or sign a minimum of three offensive linemen in the offseason he should be fired.

Forget signing them. Build the OLine thru the draft.

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The first signing must be a new GM. Demote Pace to being Trubinsky's life coach.

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If the O-Line isn’t replenished through the draft (top 3 rounds) and free agency (top tier signing) this off season I’ll retire my fandom.

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