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I just don’t think it should disqualify someone from managing a baseball team .

Disqualify, no.

But the total disregard for any amount of transparency, or even a modicum of giving a fuck, looks bad here.

Bernstein being the mouthpiece of the bashing will inevitably cause people to defend TLR simply because people hate Bernstein—as I do.

But why not gave the issue head on? This is on Jerry. Not LaRussa.


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badrogue17 wrote:
I just don’t think it should disqualify someone from managing a baseball team .

Disqualify, no.

But the total disregard for any amount of transparency, or even a modicum of giving a fuck, looks bad here.

Bernstein being the mouthpiece of the bashing will inevitably cause people to defend TLR simply because people hate Bernstein—as I do.

But why not gave the issue head on? This is on Jerry. Not LaRussa.


Yeah Bernsie already tying it into the LaRussa being the judge of bat flip sincerity by brown players.

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as long as he's not driving the team bus i don't really care

But yes obv it was quite foolish of him and makes the Sox look incredibly shady

Mully was making me the leap to he's an alcoholic. He's gonna be sauced everyday in the dugout !!!


It's indicative of a list of other possible problems. He clearly can't control his drinking.

It could be indicative of problems or it could be he's just stubborn. And let's be honest. It isn't "so easy to just Uber". It's a giant pain in the ass to leave your car somewhere overnight.


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Crick Ramp wrote:
badrogue17 wrote:
I just don’t think it should disqualify someone from managing a baseball team .

Disqualify, no.

But the total disregard for any amount of transparency, or even a modicum of giving a fuck, looks bad here.

Bernstein being the mouthpiece of the bashing will inevitably cause people to defend TLR simply because people hate Bernstein—as I do.

But why not gave the issue head on? This is on Jerry. Not LaRussa.


Yeah Bernsie already tying it into the LaRussa being the judge of bat flip sincerity by brown players.

I mean...I get Dans point, but he’s so dramatic and over the top that he’s easy to dismiss.

Repeatedly playing the audio of TLRs first DUI arrest is unnecessary, but Jerry and TLR not addressing this up front was not a well calculated choice.

They clearly give zero fucks about fan perception. More than that though, I feel bad for Hahn man. Dude got castrated by this move when examined in its totality.


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Nardi wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
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as long as he's not driving the team bus i don't really care

But yes obv it was quite foolish of him and makes the Sox look incredibly shady

Mully was making me the leap to he's an alcoholic. He's gonna be sauced everyday in the dugout !!!


It's indicative of a list of other possible problems. He clearly can't control his drinking.

It could be indicative of problems or it could be he's just stubborn. And let's be honest. It isn't "so easy to just Uber". It's a giant pain in the ass to leave your car somewhere overnight.

Dude...driving while impaired is not about merely stubbornness.


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LaRussa is good boy who didn't do nuffin wrong
Where's his graduation picture?


Strange hill to die on.

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Crick Ramp wrote:
pittmike wrote:
Crick Ramp wrote:
badrogue17 wrote:
I just don’t think it should disqualify someone from managing a baseball team .

Disqualify, no.

But the total disregard for any amount of transparency, or even a modicum of giving a fuck, looks bad here.

Bernstein being the mouthpiece of the bashing will inevitably cause people to defend TLR simply because people hate Bernstein—as I do.

But why not gave the issue head on? This is on Jerry. Not LaRussa.


Yeah Bernsie already tying it into the LaRussa being the judge of bat flip sincerity by brown players.

I mean...I get Dans point, but he’s so dramatic and over the top that he’s easy to dismiss.

Repeatedly playing the audio of TLRs first DUI arrest is unnecessary, but Jerry and TLR not addressing this up front was not a well calculated choice.

They clearly give zero fucks about fan perception. More than that though, I feel bad for Hahn man. Dude got castrated by this move when examined in its totality.

The Hahn castration has been kinda lost in all this. I gotta think he's gone first chance he gets. I gotta think his heart isn't in this anymore. He was 3rd in the pecking order, maybe he even thought he was 2nd with what he's accomplished, but it turns out he's 4th. Behind LaRussa.


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Nardi wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
Bagels wrote:
as long as he's not driving the team bus i don't really care

But yes obv it was quite foolish of him and makes the Sox look incredibly shady

Mully was making me the leap to he's an alcoholic. He's gonna be sauced everyday in the dugout !!!


It's indicative of a list of other possible problems. He clearly can't control his drinking.

It could be indicative of problems or it could be he's just stubborn. And let's be honest. It isn't "so easy to just Uber". It's a giant pain in the ass to leave your car somewhere overnight.

The case FOR drunk driving....


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Crick Ramp wrote:
Nardi wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
Bagels wrote:
as long as he's not driving the team bus i don't really care

But yes obv it was quite foolish of him and makes the Sox look incredibly shady

Mully was making me the leap to he's an alcoholic. He's gonna be sauced everyday in the dugout !!!


It's indicative of a list of other possible problems. He clearly can't control his drinking.

It could be indicative of problems or it could be he's just stubborn. And let's be honest. It isn't "so easy to just Uber". It's a giant pain in the ass to leave your car somewhere overnight.

Dude...driving while impaired is not about merely stubbornness.

Ah yes, I keep forgetting how awful a crime it is.


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rogers park bryan wrote:
Nardi wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
Bagels wrote:
as long as he's not driving the team bus i don't really care

But yes obv it was quite foolish of him and makes the Sox look incredibly shady

Mully was making me the leap to he's an alcoholic. He's gonna be sauced everyday in the dugout !!!


It's indicative of a list of other possible problems. He clearly can't control his drinking.

It could be indicative of problems or it could be he's just stubborn. And let's be honest. It isn't "so easy to just Uber". It's a giant pain in the ass to leave your car somewhere overnight.

The case FOR drunk driving....

Yup. SHOCKING! How dare I!


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Nardi wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
Bagels wrote:
as long as he's not driving the team bus i don't really care

But yes obv it was quite foolish of him and makes the Sox look incredibly shady

Mully was making me the leap to he's an alcoholic. He's gonna be sauced everyday in the dugout !!!


It's indicative of a list of other possible problems. He clearly can't control his drinking.

It could be indicative of problems or it could be he's just stubborn. And let's be honest. It isn't "so easy to just Uber". It's a giant pain in the ass to leave your car somewhere overnight.

:lol:

I'll assume this is a bit

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Nardi wrote:
Crick Ramp wrote:
Nardi wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
Bagels wrote:
as long as he's not driving the team bus i don't really care

But yes obv it was quite foolish of him and makes the Sox look incredibly shady

Mully was making me the leap to he's an alcoholic. He's gonna be sauced everyday in the dugout !!!


It's indicative of a list of other possible problems. He clearly can't control his drinking.

It could be indicative of problems or it could be he's just stubborn. And let's be honest. It isn't "so easy to just Uber". It's a giant pain in the ass to leave your car somewhere overnight.

Dude...driving while impaired is not about merely stubbornness.

Ah yes, I keep forgetting how awful a crime it is.

Bro...

Multiple DUIs is a big deal. It just is. Aside from the obvious danger to your self and others in the immediate moments of the act of driving.

It displays a pattern of behavior as well as a clear lack of judgement in ones thinking. Cmon. This is pretty easy to grasp.

I’m not saying it should automatically disqualify someone from future employment, but Jerry’s complete disregard in transparency on this is troubling. LaRussa was charged with the second DUI the day before the press conference! And they totally ignored it amidst all the controversy. It’s half comical and half sad.

TLR clearly needs help. And I hope he’s getting it.


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I hope Carlton Fisk is still available when they launch Tony.

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What has it Aggravated White Sox Fan Bob used to call him? Weird Jerry or something like that.

Tony La Russa is driving drunk right into HOOTERVILLE!!!

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Crick Ramp wrote:
Nardi wrote:
Crick Ramp wrote:
Nardi wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
Bagels wrote:
as long as he's not driving the team bus i don't really care

But yes obv it was quite foolish of him and makes the Sox look incredibly shady

Mully was making me the leap to he's an alcoholic. He's gonna be sauced everyday in the dugout !!!


It's indicative of a list of other possible problems. He clearly can't control his drinking.

It could be indicative of problems or it could be he's just stubborn. And let's be honest. It isn't "so easy to just Uber". It's a giant pain in the ass to leave your car somewhere overnight.

Dude...driving while impaired is not about merely stubbornness.

Ah yes, I keep forgetting how awful a crime it is.

Bro...

Multiple DUIs is a big deal. It just is. Aside from the obvious danger to your self and others in the immediate moments of the act of driving.

It displays a pattern of behavior as well as a clear lack of judgement in ones thinking. Cmon. This is pretty easy to grasp.

I’m not saying it should automatically disqualify someone from future employment, but Jerry’s complete disregard in transparency on this is troubling. LaRussa was charged with the second DUI the day before the press conference! And they totally ignored it amidst all the controversy. It’s half comical and half sad.

TLR clearly needs help. And I hope he’s getting it.

Driving at age 16 is probably more dangerous.


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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
LaRussa is good boy who didn't do nuffin wrong
Where's his graduation picture?


Strange hill to die on.

Not sure what you mean. I thought it was a good hire but LaRussa getting a 2nd DUI is a very big issue, imo.

Drunk driving is not something I forgive or justify easily.


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Nardi wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Nardi wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
Bagels wrote:
as long as he's not driving the team bus i don't really care

But yes obv it was quite foolish of him and makes the Sox look incredibly shady

Mully was making me the leap to he's an alcoholic. He's gonna be sauced everyday in the dugout !!!


It's indicative of a list of other possible problems. He clearly can't control his drinking.

It could be indicative of problems or it could be he's just stubborn. And let's be honest. It isn't "so easy to just Uber". It's a giant pain in the ass to leave your car somewhere overnight.

The case FOR drunk driving....

Yup. SHOCKING! How dare I!

Its absurd and childish. Think ahead and dont drive your car in the first place or dont get drunk. Pretty simple


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Nardi wrote:
Crick Ramp wrote:
Nardi wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
Bagels wrote:
as long as he's not driving the team bus i don't really care

But yes obv it was quite foolish of him and makes the Sox look incredibly shady

Mully was making me the leap to he's an alcoholic. He's gonna be sauced everyday in the dugout !!!


It's indicative of a list of other possible problems. He clearly can't control his drinking.

It could be indicative of problems or it could be he's just stubborn. And let's be honest. It isn't "so easy to just Uber". It's a giant pain in the ass to leave your car somewhere overnight.

Dude...driving while impaired is not about merely stubbornness.

Ah yes, I keep forgetting how awful a crime it is.

Who cares if you kill people. Uber is a pain in the ass.


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Uber really couldn't be more convenient. If you're saying it's a pain in the ass then I assume you also struggle to get dressed in the morning.

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The White Sox will be fine.

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Uber really couldn't be more convenient. If you're saying it's a pain in the ass then I assume you also struggle to get dressed in the morning.

Which is why I said dude needs real help. He doesn’t care. That’s when the drinking reaches a breaking point.


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rogers park bryan wrote:
Nardi wrote:
Crick Ramp wrote:
Nardi wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
Bagels wrote:
as long as he's not driving the team bus i don't really care

But yes obv it was quite foolish of him and makes the Sox look incredibly shady

Mully was making me the leap to he's an alcoholic. He's gonna be sauced everyday in the dugout !!!


It's indicative of a list of other possible problems. He clearly can't control his drinking.

It could be indicative of problems or it could be he's just stubborn. And let's be honest. It isn't "so easy to just Uber". It's a giant pain in the ass to leave your car somewhere overnight.

Dude...driving while impaired is not about merely stubbornness.

Ah yes, I keep forgetting how awful a crime it is.

Who cares if you kill people. Uber is a pain in the ass.

Texting while driving also kills people. They also shouldn't be forgiven and absolutely be sent to get help.


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Not many people would hire a manager in any business knowing he has an active drinking problem that is at least a decade old.

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Nardi wrote:
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Ah yes, I keep forgetting how awful a crime it is.

Who cares if you kill people. Uber is a pain in the ass.

Texting while driving also kills people. They also shouldn't be forgiven and absolutely be sent to get help.

Ok, be careful out there Nardi. Try not to drive drunk or text while driving.


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Not many people would hire a manager in any business knowing he has an active drinking problem that is at least a decade old.


Very true. That is why LaRussa likely never did changed his ways after first one. Or maybe he did for a while and fell back. Doesn't matter really as I said I would not have hired him anyway.

In general though if the state is going to forgive the first one after 10 years then so should people in general and call this his first? That said half kidding I still wish they would make it more clear between people barely making a mistake accidentally have the high ABV and coming home at .081 and the more dangerous habitual crashing into people at the .251 most active daily alcoholics are. Go check a frat house after a party and half those kids wouldn't know they are still .09 after sleeping until 10:00 am.

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Not many people would hire a manager in any business knowing he has an active drinking problem that is at least a decade old.

Listen to all these saints who've never driven with .08 in their blood. And if you have, saints, go get some help. You have an active drinking problem.


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Nardi wrote:
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Not many people would hire a manager in any business knowing he has an active drinking problem that is at least a decade old.

Listen to all these saints who've never driven with .08 in their blood. And if you have, saints, go get some help. You have an active drinking problem.

Its telling that you think not driving drunk is some special thing.

Just be careful, Nardi. Try not to kill anyone


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if this was a regular organization LaRussa would have been fired yesterday.

but they can't now. Hinch and Cora already got jobs.

But question is : would you rather have a drunk or a cheat?


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Nardi wrote:
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Not many people would hire a manager in any business knowing he has an active drinking problem that is at least a decade old.

Listen to all these saints who've never driven with .08 in their blood. And if you have, saints, go get some help. You have an active drinking problem.

Purposely misconstruing an issue is always a great way to spend ones time.


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:lol: :lol: :lol: Angsty over the top melodrama from someone who works at the Score ?? Say it ain't so Meat .

Exactly six weeks ago Tuesday, White Sox ace Lucas Giolito struck out eight batters while throwing seven terrific innings against the Athletics. Star shortstop Tim Anderson had three hits in his first career playoff game, backing up his entertaining brashness that was emblematic of his team’s entire season.

The White Sox won their first playoff game in 12 years with swagger on that Sept. 29 afternoon. Their fans had swagger.

The 2020 White Sox experience was awesome in what was undoubtedly a season before their hopeful and expected window of contention. The offense was explosive and productive, the roster was chock full of great stories and award candidates of the present and future led the way each night. The White Sox were blending before our eyes and maturing as a group that everyone in the game had to pay heed.

Today, White Sox fans are deeply embarrassed.



It's because a manager was foisted upon a front office that, try as it may, couldn't hide its disappointment through gritted teeth. When the White Sox announced Tony La Russa as their new manager on Oct. 29, general manager Rick Hahn looked like a hostage, assuring a hopeful nation that everything was fine while we all could sense the electrodes taped to his chest.

The news that broke Monday night then added an extra absurd level of ignominy. La Russa was arrested in February on suspicion of driving under the influence, as ESPN first reported, and then formally charged on Oct. 28, a day before the White Sox hired him. The White Sox knew about the incident before hiring him, a team spokesman told various outlets. They chose not to factor it in to their hiring “process.” La Russa already pled guilty to DUI back in 2007.


The White Sox also somehow chose to not get out in front of this mess from a public relations standpoint. On Monday night, they quickly sent word to their chosen leak receptacle, USA Today reporter Bob Nightengale, that La Russa wouldn't be disciplined in any way despite the arrest and was in no danger of losing his new job.

White Sox fans bought into the rebuild after the 2016 season, trusting Hahn as he sought to escape the mediocrity in which they once were mired. The fans' faith had been rewarded in 2020, all the way through managerial and pitching coach firings in October that further showcased a future that had finally arrived.

Those fans now feel actively insulted by a managerial hiring “process” that was a complete sham obvious to all as owner Jerry Reinsdorf dictated what he wanted to do with his toy. An embarrassing DUI for La Russa that was marked by an “argumentative” arrest did nothing to derail the plan in private, and the surprise reveal Monday will seemingly do nothing to reverse the course in public.


It’s almost too absurd to be taken seriously. Almost.

It's one thing to believe your personal hire who speaks to your value system is smarter than everyone else, to believe that any potential bad press and bad feeling will be alleviated by the winning your choices guarantee. The apathy is Reinsdorf’s right. As one of his greatest and most honest former employees in Paul Konerko said, “It’s the golden rule -- he who has the gold makes the rules.”

It's quite another to have blatant disregard for what your own employees and fans feel emotionally. This populace -- and so many within your own organization -- are hurting.

The disdain from the top is gross. It comes across as willful malice. And somehow, the shame seems to escape Reinsdorf. Must be nice.

Winning would cover a lot of this. But loving a team, especially in baseball, is about far more than winning. It’s about pride, often generational pride. It’s about valuing a relationship that, despite potential intellectual disconnect, genuinely feels like it goes both ways.

The White Sox's hiring of La Russa does tremendous damage to that feeling, and to many, that damage might be irreparable.​

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