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The only person who could hold Michael under 30?

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Yep and there probably was some of that going on here. College Coaches have historically shitted on guys in an effort to prevent them from going pro. I think that may have been what happened here.


This is the only the hope this guy ends up being worth it. Highlight tapes can make anyone look good. The fact this draft appears to be a pile of shit may make this moot regardless.

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 Post subject: Re: Patrick Williams
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The only person who could hold Michael under 30?

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Yep and there probably was some of that going on here. College Coaches have historically shitted on guys in an effort to prevent them from going pro. I think that may have been what happened here.


This is the only the hope this guy ends up being worth it. Highlight tapes can make anyone look good. The fact this draft appears to be a pile of shit may make this moot regardless.


Not everyone. Some highlight tapes are shitty as hell. His wasn't. There was much more of a skillset than accepted.


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 Post subject: Re: Patrick Williams
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I actually think AK struck gold on this one. The whole he wasn't even a "starter on his college team" thus he has to be bust isn't a deterrent either. College coaches are notorious for trying to hide guys from the NBA. That's probably what happened here.

I wish I had the benefit of watching him play in the summer league before making an assessment but I don't.


The other thing about Williams' "reserve" status is that he actually averaged the third-highest number of minutes on the team. So he didn't start, but he did play "starters' minutes" and was typically on the floor at the end of games.

I'm with you, LTG. I actually like this pick a lot. Hopefully it will pay off.

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 Post subject: Re: Patrick Williams
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I actually think AK struck gold on this one. The whole he wasn't even a "starter on his college team" thus he has to be bust isn't a deterrent either. College coaches are notorious for trying to hide guys from the NBA. That's probably what happened here.

I wish I had the benefit of watching him play in the summer league before making an assessment but I don't.


The other thing about Williams' "reserve" status is that he actually averaged the third-highest number of minutes on the team. So he didn't start, but he did play "starters' minutes" and was typically on the floor at the end of games.

I'm with you, LTG. I actually like this pick a lot. Hopefully it will pay off.


Yeah me too. 19 years old and already has an NBA body. Has much more of a game than I thought that he'd have too..

What I like most from AK is that he didn't play it safe. It would have been so easy to simply go with the kid from Israel, Toppin, Haliburton etc but he didn’t. He went with the guy he believes to be the best available at that spot. He also went with the guy from the group that has the best chance of being a star. I like it.


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I'm with Midge and LTG on this. The more I hear about this kid's attitude, the more I like the pick. This was supposedly a weak draft and I like taking the chance on a player like him.,


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Makes sense in that it appears the Bulls are taking an, "Organizational red shirt year", where do not expect to win, will evaluate what they have, and see if the young players will develop under the new staff then take an actual shot at improving the team next year.


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He's pretty smooth

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If anyone cares about Spencer Dinwiddie's opinion.

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 Post subject: Re: Patrick Williams
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Not everyone. Some highlight tapes are shitty as hell. His wasn't. There was much more of a skillset than accepted.


If you can not make someone look good from a highlight tape you are doing it wrong. The last player to go this high as a 6th man was Marvin Williams. How that work out?

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 Post subject: Re: Patrick Williams
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Not everyone. Some highlight tapes are shitty as hell. His wasn't. There was much more of a skillset than accepted.


If you can not make someone look good from a highlight tape you are doing it wrong. The last player to go this high as a 6th man was Marvin Williams. How that work out?


If you really believe that this kid should have come off the bench for that Florida State team then you are wrong.

I don't watch a ton of college hoops these days but at one point I did. There is no doubt that the only reason he came off the bench was because Hamilton was trying to hide him from the NBA guys.

Its the same stunt that college coaches have been pulling for years. Create the perception that he Isn't"NBA ready". Good thing "AK-47 is the tool" didn't fall for it.

This kid is a stud. Book It!


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 Post subject: Re: Patrick Williams
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Not everyone. Some highlight tapes are shitty as hell. His wasn't. There was much more of a skillset than accepted.


If you can not make someone look good from a highlight tape you are doing it wrong. The last player to go this high as a 6th man was Marvin Williams. How that work out?

So you're predicting future performance based on a sample size of one over the past 20 years?

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 Post subject: Re: Patrick Williams
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:lol: conns is really digging in on his opinion. He better hope it is right

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:lol: conns is really digging in on his opinion. He better hope it is right


It isn't.


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:lol: conns is really digging in on his opinion. He better hope it is right


He will be closer to bust than Kawhi. If I am wrong then that is a good thing.

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 Post subject: Re: Patrick Williams
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Not everyone. Some highlight tapes are shitty as hell. His wasn't. There was much more of a skillset than accepted.


If you can not make someone look good from a highlight tape you are doing it wrong. The last player to go this high as a 6th man was Marvin Williams. How that work out?

So you're predicting future performance based on a sample size of one over the past 20 years?

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Name all of the top 5 picks in the NBA draft who played college ball and did not start?

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:lol: conns is really digging in on his opinion. He better hope it is right


He will be closer to bust than Kawhi. If I am wrong then that is a good thing.


You're currently hedging thats all. He won't be a bust. Book it!


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Not everyone. Some highlight tapes are shitty as hell. His wasn't. There was much more of a skillset than accepted.


If you can not make someone look good from a highlight tape you are doing it wrong. The last player to go this high as a 6th man was Marvin Williams. How that work out?

So you're predicting future performance based on a sample size of one over the past 20 years?

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Name all of the top 5 picks in the NBA draft who played college ball and did not start?

I don't need to. The point of my post is still correct - you're making assumptions off of comically small sample sizes. That's a pretty poor method of evaluation.

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There is a whole lot of room between bust and Kawhi. He will be somewhere in the middle.

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 Post subject: Re: Patrick Williams
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Not everyone. Some highlight tapes are shitty as hell. His wasn't. There was much more of a skillset than accepted.


If you can not make someone look good from a highlight tape you are doing it wrong. The last player to go this high as a 6th man was Marvin Williams. How that work out?

So you're predicting future performance based on a sample size of one over the past 20 years?

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Name all of the top 5 picks in the NBA draft who played college ball and did not start?

I don't need to. The point of my post is still correct - you're making assumptions off of comically small sample sizes. That's a pretty poor method of evaluation.



No its not. It is common sense.

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:lol: It's literally the opposite of that. Your argument is completely nonsensical.

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:lol: It's literally the opposite of that. Your argument is completely nonsensical.

:lol: yep common sense would be to say that no one really knows who he is and we will give AK some room to prove whether he is bad or good

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There is a whole lot of room between bust and Kawhi. He will be somewhere in the middle.

Otto Porter Jr 2.0 gets a chance to learn from Otto Porter Jr

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No its not. It is common sense.


There is no way this kid was the 2nd best let alone 6th best player on that team. His is but another example of why the college game sucks so much to me.


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:lol: It's literally the opposite of that. Your argument is completely nonsensical.

:lol: yep common sense would be to say that no one really knows who he is and we will give AK some room to prove whether he is bad or good


Nah all you have to do is watch him play which i have, albeit in limited action. It didn't take long if you kmow what to look for in a basketball player.


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:lol: It's literally the opposite of that. Your argument is completely nonsensical.

:lol: yep common sense would be to say that no one really knows who he is and we will give AK some room to prove whether he is bad or good


Nah all you have to do is watch him play which i have, albeit in limited action. It didn't take long if you kmow what to look for in a basketball player.

You are trying to hard, the fact that you are not the real ltg is becoming more apparent

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:lol: It's literally the opposite of that. Your argument is completely nonsensical.

:lol: yep common sense would be to say that no one really knows who he is and we will give AK some room to prove whether he is bad or good


Nah all you have to do is watch him play which i have, albeit in limited action. It didn't take long if you kmow what to look for in a basketball player.

You watched FSU basketball last year?

You aren't ltg.

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:lol: It's literally the opposite of that. Your argument is completely nonsensical.

:lol: yep common sense would be to say that no one really knows who he is and we will give AK some room to prove whether he is bad or good


Nah all you have to do is watch him play which i have, albeit in limited action. It didn't take long if you kmow what to look for in a basketball player.

You watched FSU basketball last year?

You aren't ltg.


Nah I watched highlights. Thats enough for me. Wish I had the summer league this year but no mate. Kids a stud. Book it!


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Again, the point about Williams not being a starter is kind of silly since he logged the third-highest number of minutes on a team that was 26-5 and earned the top seed for the ACC tournament.

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Again, the point about Williams not being a starter is kind of silly since he logged the third-highest number of minutes on a team that was 26-5 and earned the top seed for the ACC tournament.

agreed.

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If anyone cares about Spencer Dinwiddie's opinion.

We don't care.

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