Brooklyn is literally in New York.

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Golden State was never a destination until they became a super team. That’s not because of the city. Look at the finals over the last 10 years. Cleveland, Dallas, Golden State, San Antonio, Toronto, Boston, Oklahoma City...etc. The city isn’t what isn’t why the Bulls aren’t on that list.

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San Francisco is also now Silicon Valley. It’s a spot now.

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Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?

I think it was more about the New York market than anything to do with the team. The Knicks were such a dumpster fire they used the Nets instead.

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Brooklyn isn’t New York?

But more to the point, you think those guys signed with the nets for Kenny Atkinson and spencer dinwiddie?

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To computer geeks sure but to NBA players? Come on.

Edit: I just reviewed their recent FA signings and you have Cousins on a 1 year deal after his Achilles tear & KD chasing a championship and they both bolted. Before that you get Nate Robinson and Corey Maggette. Sorry but no. GS is not a “spot”.

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When you say New York when discussing the NBA it doesn’t mean the Brooklyn Nets. I shouldn’t have to explain this to you - it’s fairly obvious.

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See my last couple posts on this topic

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Of course it’s not.

There’s no “spot”. Miami is the closest thing maybe but there’s no FA destinations. The Lakers were a wasteland before LeBron went to them. The Knicks aren’t shit.

It’s a player driven league and players decide where super teams will be formed. That is true. But those spots are entirely based on FO, coach, core players, cap room, and the whims and desires of certain FAs. It’s just a dumbass bullshit narrative to pretend it’s always the same teams. The times have changed too rapidly for that to be true —- and if it was true Chicago would certainly be on the list if the other conditions I named were right.

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Agreed FF. The tried and true best way to do it is through the draft. Always has been and Always will be. The very best teams in the league each year are typically those that draft well.

That's why I'm excited about AK. From what I've read that is his preferred way to do it and if you look at Denver (where he comes from) that is what they have been able to do.

The "create cap space for potential free agent signings" thing rarely works.

Lastly if it were all about "destination" places Miami and Atlanta would be signing big time free agents each and every year. Players absolutely love those two spots.

K I disagree obviously, but what about this part:

But more to the point, you think those guys signed with the nets for Kenny Atkinson and spencer dinwiddie?

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players always liked to stop in atlanta because of the great strip clubs and they had some shoe place that was legendary. I think they only liked it as a getaway from the girlfriend/wife/family but it would be dangerous to their domestic situation to live there.

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NBA players don't care about that. Kevin Durant signed with G.S because he wanted to win a ring and get away from Russell Westbrook. It had nothing to do with Silicon Valley.

It still is considered a destination spot for NBA players though. If it were all about that. Also the Clippers would have been relevant a long time ago if it were all about the city. Players are ring chasing more than ever these days. They also want to get paid (most important thing) and they will go anywhere that presents the best opportunity for them to do that.

It’s just difficult for me to find a reason why the Bulls haven’t been able to land a top free agent in 20 years when they have had at least 2 solid young Nuclei that were just primed for a superstar to take them over the top.

Other than organizational, and/or living in Northeast IL things.

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The Bulls as an organization has been widely known to be a clown show. It is that simple. NBA players do talk and it's not like the dysfunction has been any kind of a secret.

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You’re right Big dub.

I do remember last year Amin Elhasson on the Jump referencing the perception of the Bulls organization as a cheap franchise.

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Most free agents don't move that's why. Superstar players tend to get traded. Reason being they want to get paid top dollar and free agency doesn't really afford you the luxury of doing that. You can really count on one hand the number of top tier Free Agents that have moved over the past 20 years. They tend to remain with their current team and then request a trade once they feel disenchanted.

Superstar players tend to get traded where they want to go the last 5-10 years correct?

Why don’t they want to get traded to the Bulls?

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I think they signed with them because they already had a good young supporting cast with him, LeVert, Harris, Allen, etc and fitting two max FA stars with that group is a pretty nice contender.

Atkinson is a pretty respected coach around the league so I would have thought he would have been a factor but obviously not since Durant and Kyrie fired him.

But more to my point, why didn't they pick the Knicks if New York was the deciding factor?

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If I’m guessing, I’d say it’s because the knicks are a clown car, Dolan is arguably the worst owner in sports and the franchise doesn’t seem to carry any weight unless: a) you’re from the area or b) you’re of an age that remembers when they were good. Plus with the Nets out of Jersey, you don’t need to play for the Knicks to be in NY.

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So you're saying team circumstances and situations play a larger role than geography? Huh. Wish I had thought of that.

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Well, now that Sterling no longer runs the Clippers... As soon as Balmer took over, the Clippers became an acceptable destination.

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https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/235 ... ley-empire

San Francisco is close to powerful people. It's similar to why people are attracted to LA.

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Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?

Yes. This is my question as well. This dates back to the Grant Hill, Tim Duncan, Tracey McGrady free agency. They had max slots. They had a recent legacy, but Orlando with its weather, golf courses and no income tax won out. It's very difficult to win in the NBA without signing marquee guys.

Without that it has to be through the draft, and that's not only a crap shoot it also takes forever to develop talent that way. To be a contender you have to draft and keep a guy who is one of the five best players in the NBA, keep him happy, and surround him with enough players to win. So while I'm glad there is new leadership, I don't see a light at the end of the tunnel just yet. If they win 15 more games, and make the playoffs it's a step towards longer irrelevancy. And I don't think Donovon is down with tanking.

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Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?

To the extent guys have two options to pick from in the same city, sure.

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Interestingly enough, neither have the Sox.

Is there a common denominator?

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When Rose was here my main man Melo wanted to make the move here but He took the money and ran back to New York. Gasol signed here for less money than he could have made elsewhere. This while still playing at an elite level.

The Bulls trajectory changed once Rose blew out his knees. A Healthy MVP caliber Rose attracts players. Once he became injured you weren't going to get the Durants of the world to sign here.

Regardless of who signs here it all comes down to drafting. If they draft high caliber guys then they will attract better free agents.

Personally I think chasing Free Agents is a fool's mission. San Antonio has 5 rings and never signed a top tier free agent. Should have 6 save for a Ray Allen 3 point shot.

Of the 3 primary ways to acquire players free agency is 3rd on the list. Drafting is one followed by trading for the guy you want..
Creating Cap Space for the purpose of hoping that Lebron Walks through that makes little sense to me.

Hard to argue with any of this.

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You posted a 2 year old article about a guy who chose to leave all those “powerful people” as soon as he got the chance. He went to GS to win a championship plain and simple. He accomplished that and then immediately chose to leave. Even if you want to believe he picked the team because of its proximity to Silicon Valley (again no but I’ll play along), do you think there are other superstars with that mindset? If so, where are they?

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