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Len hated working there, saw the writing on the wall, knew his bosses would eventually fire him, had a chance at the Sox gig, and grabbed it. Because that chance wouldn't have been there when the Cubs eventually fired him.

It's that simple.

So good for Len for moving on this. Cuz he still wanted to live in Chicago. Like I said, he's probably angling to get the Detroit Tigers job for the final act of his career. He's just waiting for that to open.

Because nobody quits the TV job at the Cubs. Nobody. Unless you sense it's gonna end for you cuz you hate your boss or your boss hates you.

Had no idea the Marquee Network PBP of the Cubs is the gold standard. I thought cable was bleeding subscribers. Baseball itself is losing viewers every year. Along with the economic shitstorm that's coming, who knows if this network is even viable.

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Len hated working there, saw the writing on the wall, knew his bosses would eventually fire him, had a chance at the Sox gig, and grabbed it. Because that chance wouldn't have been there when the Cubs eventually fired him.

It's that simple.

So good for Len for moving on this. Cuz he still wanted to live in Chicago. Like I said, he's probably angling to get the Detroit Tigers job for the final act of his career. He's just waiting for that to open.

Because nobody quits the TV job at the Cubs. Nobody. Unless you sense it's gonna end for you cuz you hate your boss or your boss hates you.

Had no idea the Marquee Network PBP of the Cubs is the gold standard. I thought cable was bleeding subscribers. Baseball itself is losing viewers every year. Along with the economic shitstorm that's coming, who knows if this network is even viable.


Marquee isn't but the Cubs TV job is/was/use to be. More when it was a superstation after what Harry/WGN built. Now since nobody can get Cubs games out of Chicago and what sounds like a shit place to work probably no longer considered a blue chip gig.


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This is a surprise move. I'll miss Len


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Beardown wrote:
Len hated working there, saw the writing on the wall, knew his bosses would eventually fire him, had a chance at the Sox gig, and grabbed it. Because that chance wouldn't have been there when the Cubs eventually fired him.

It's that simple.

So good for Len for moving on this. Cuz he still wanted to live in Chicago. Like I said, he's probably angling to get the Detroit Tigers job for the final act of his career. He's just waiting for that to open.

Because nobody quits the TV job at the Cubs. Nobody. Unless you sense it's gonna end for you cuz you hate your boss or your boss hates you.

I actually tend to think you have a good read on most things. Which probably says more about me than you.

But I think you’re mostly wrong here.


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Len hated working there, saw the writing on the wall, knew his bosses would eventually fire him, had a chance at the Sox gig, and grabbed it. Because that chance wouldn't have been there when the Cubs eventually fired him.

It's that simple.

So good for Len for moving on this. Cuz he still wanted to live in Chicago. Like I said, he's probably angling to get the Detroit Tigers job for the final act of his career. He's just waiting for that to open.

Because nobody quits the TV job at the Cubs. Nobody. Unless you sense it's gonna end for you cuz you hate your boss or your boss hates you.

I actually tend to think you have a good read on most things. Which probably says more about me than you.

But I think you’re mostly wrong here.


No. I'm right.

Did Len ever ask Pat if he wanted to do a switch? Pat to TV. Len to radio. Maybe Pat would have liked that. Len never asked.

Why would he not even ask? Think about that.

Len liked his job with the Cubs until they got their new TV network.


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Beardown wrote:
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Len hated working there, saw the writing on the wall, knew his bosses would eventually fire him, had a chance at the Sox gig, and grabbed it. Because that chance wouldn't have been there when the Cubs eventually fired him.

It's that simple.

So good for Len for moving on this. Cuz he still wanted to live in Chicago. Like I said, he's probably angling to get the Detroit Tigers job for the final act of his career. He's just waiting for that to open.

Because nobody quits the TV job at the Cubs. Nobody. Unless you sense it's gonna end for you cuz you hate your boss or your boss hates you.

I actually tend to think you have a good read on most things. Which probably says more about me than you.

But I think you’re mostly wrong here.


No. I'm right.

Did Len ever ask Pat if he wanted to do a switch? Pat to TV. Len to radio. Maybe Pat would have liked that. Len never asked.

Why would he not even ask? Think about that.

Len liked his job with the Cubs until they got their new TV network.


How long has Pat been in the Cubs radio booth?

While he won't be there forever, he has become a fixture in that booth. I don't think Len would have likely gone there for that reason, but just my guess.

If he wanted a radio job and to stay in one in Chicago, there was one available. He took it.


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Of course Marquee was a factor. It may not have poisoned the well per se, but the multitude of changes clearly made the taste no longer worth the effort.

Would he have jumped ship if the Sox weren’t the perfect situation—friends, contending window, still in Chicago—I don’t know. I’m inclined to believe no.

I think it really was the perfect set of circumstances that motivated him to say fuck it. Let’s do it.


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It's not like Len couldn't have gotten a radio job in the last 16 years where he was with the Cubs if he pursued it. Anybody would have given him one.

I get the Chicago thing. So that's Len's out to not burn bridges. But if it was always his dream, he could have done it.


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Look, Len has this boyish charm. So he can sell his story with that charm. And I don't blame him for trying to sell it. I admire that. He's not gonna go "scorched earth". Doesn't want to burn any bridges or rip the Cubs.

But he's more shrewd than you guys think. He's a smart guy.


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It's not like Len couldn't have gotten a radio job in the last 16 years where he was with the Cubs if he pursued it. Anybody would have given him one.

I get the Chicago thing. So that's Len's out to not burn bridges. But if it was always his dream, he could have done it.

So what are you saying?

You initially said he fled the Cubs because he hated it there and saw the writing on the wall and would eventually be fired.

I think all those points vary from gross mischaracterization to baseless speculation.

You’re off base on this one bruh


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It's not like Len couldn't have gotten a radio job in the last 16 years where he was with the Cubs if he pursued it. Anybody would have given him one.

I get the Chicago thing. So that's Len's out to not burn bridges. But if it was always his dream, he could have done it.

So what are you saying?

You initially said he fled the Cubs because he hated it there and saw the writing on the wall and would eventually be fired.

I think all those points vary from gross mischaracterization to baseless speculation.

You’re off base on this one bruh


We'll agree to disagree.


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You implied he was on the cusp of being fired.

Based on what? Do you believe the organization tried diligently to get him to stay, as Len said. Or is that just posturing as well?


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You implied he was on the cusp of being fired.

Based on what? Do you believe the organization tried diligently to get him to stay, as Len said. Or is that just posturing as well?


Posturing? Yes. Absolutely. To not piss off the fanbase. Len helped the Cubs by putting that out there. Cuz he's a nice guy. Not just him being a nice guy, it's also calculated like I've said. Maybe one day he might want to come back to the Cubs.


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Can't wait for Laurence to go after Kasper.


Laurence will announce he is taking himself out of consideration for the job on today's show.

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Benetti and Kasper hanging out on a weekend night sounds like a party

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:lol: :lol:

Can't wait for Laurence to go after Kasper.


Laurence will announce he is taking himself out of consideration for the job on today's show.

:lol: very likely

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Benetti and Kasper hanging out on a weekend night sounds like a party

A very, very dry party with pregnant pauses


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Benetti and Kasper hanging out on a weekend night sounds like a party

A very, very dry party with pregnant pauses

Terrible party. Some say the worst ever.

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I dispute several things in this article. The Cubs fans I talk to found Len to be smug and trying way too hard to use all the new fangled stats. He also was way too apologetic for poor on field performances. Sorry these articles do not copy well.

https://www.dailyherald.com/sports/2020 ... d-decision

“ Rozner: The story behind Len Kasper's bold decision
Broadcaster Len Kasper welcomed his dad, Joe, and mother, Sharon, to the TV booth at Wrigley Field. ( Courtesy of Sharon Kasper )
Barry Rozner Updated 12/23/2020 12:07 PM
The grand fallacy of those who feel self-important is that they rarely are what they believe, almost always poisoned by a lethal dose of egomania,

acutely self-unaware and therefore unable to see themselves as the world does.
That's what makes Len Kasper so unusual -- and it's why he doesn't expect you to understand his decision.
A certain Hall of Famer and one of the very best to ever broadcast a baseball game, held by his peers to be at the very top of his profession, Kasper is nevertheless bathed in self-awareness.
Rare as that may be, he not only refuses to take himself seriously, but such humility has allowed him to see his life and career for what it has been -- and what he wants it to be.
"It's easy -- especially when things are good in your career and your life - - to go with the flow and not really think about the big picture or the future, as much as holding onto the things that you have, which is a very natural thing to do," Kasper explained of his decision to leave Cubs TV for White Sox radio. "I always tried to tell myself that as great a job as I've had the last 16 years, I never wanted the job to define me as a person.
"When I see people outside the ballpark, I'm 'Len the Cubs announcer.' It's a great feeling, but over the course of time, those things become all- encompassing if you let them.
"The pandemic and everything that people have dealt with, and turning 50 (in a month), has caused me to reflect on what I've accomplished,

and also on what the final chapter -- hopefully a very long chapter -- will look like."
Advice from above
Stepping outside their comfort zone is not something most people are willing to do, especially those making big money and in a glamour job. Yet, being at the top of his game and enormously popular -- both with the fan base and his bosses -- gave Kasper a once-in-a-career opportunity, to choose his next job while his employer was imploring him to stay.
"Some people know what they don't want. In my case it was 100 percent about what I did want," Kasper said. "People ask me, 'Why?' My answer is, 'Why not?'
"My dad is pretty wise in that way, and I scoffed at him a bit when he said this, but he said, 'You were Al Kaline.'
"I said, 'What does that mean?'
"He said, 'You got to the top at a very young age.'"
Kaline went straight from high school to the majors at 18 years old, made the first of his 18 All-Star Games in his second full season for Detroit, and was a first-ballot Hall of Famer after becoming the 12th member of the 3,000-hit club. He followed Hank Aaron, Willie Mays and Roberto Clemente and preceded Pete Rose to 3,000.

"My dad's point was that I kind of reached the mountain top at an early age, in the big leagues at 31 and with the Cubs at 34," Kasper said. "My dad said, 'You're a young 50. It's almost like you're 70 for a lot of people in terms of what you've accomplished, so why not try this now?'
"He said any choice I made differently would probably not be understood for that reason. I had never considered, like a lot of people in my business, that I was so focused on doing my job when I was young that I never really stopped to consider where I was so young.
"If I were 20 years younger, I probably wouldn't understand it, but when you get to middle age your priorities -- and what has deep meaning to you -- changes."
There's always a Detroit theme lurking behind Kasper's easygoing and likable demeanor, and he has never strayed far in his mind from listening to games on the radio with his parents, Joe and Sharon.
"When you strip away the prestige, the money, the stage, the adulation, there's 13-year-old Len listening to Ernie Harwell. That's what got me hooked on baseball and broadcasting," Kasper said. "I've had a taste of everything at a high level, and those are all great things, but I never wanted that to be the overriding factor in determining how to round out my career.
"That's how the seeds of getting back into radio were born. Going to Tiger games and listening to radio resonates very deeply with me.

"So, at the end of the day, I banked all of those other memories (with the Cubs) and decided that right now, where I am in my life, I wanted to create some unique memories. I guess that sums up where my head and heart have been during this process."
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Over the last 16 years, there have been many conversations with Kasper about his true professional desires, and he has always been honest about who he is and what he really needs out of life.
Ego has never been Kasper's problem. If anything, he's self-deprecating to a fault, so there was no shock when he told me -- in confidence -- about his move from the Cubs to White Sox, from North to South and from television to radio, before announcing it.
There has been much speculation as to why, but it's extraordinarily simple. Radio is what he wanted to do, to get back to his broadcasting roots. That's it. That's all of it, but we do not live in a world where the simple explanation is accepted, where Twitter and its ugly social media brethren decide the fate of others for them.
What is so admirable about this man is he doesn't care what anyone thinks about his decision. He doesn't need all that someone of his stature usually needs, which is the constant stroking of his image and his resume.
He's already universally beloved inside and outside the business, adored

by one fan base and soon to be adored by another, but you'll not hear the man concerned about any of it.
He doesn't need worship. He just wants to do what he wants to do.
"I want to be really clear about the way the Cubs and Marquee treated me," Kasper said. "They treated me like a king. They had the proper dose of total respect and support for me as a friend, while also making sure they did everything they could to keep me right there.
"If they had made it too easy for me to leave, I would have wondered, and if they had made it too difficult, I would have wondered. They helped me thread a needle and I am very grateful.
"In your career you tend to make bad choices when at a bad place, but I was in a good place and because those relationships with the Cubs and Marquee -- and before that WGN -- were so good, I was able to ask them to let me go. They did not have to let me out of my deal.
"The way you go about it has to matter, but I would not have asked if I had thought the Cubs would say, 'No.' I had hoped I had built up enough equity by never asking for anything.
"It's about the way you treat people and the way you behave. You have to be in a good place with everyone in order to ask for something like this."
For all the inability of those on the outside to understand or accept this career choice, Kasper's friends in the business not only grasped the

concept, but some were jealous.
Some of them being very big, network names.
"One thing in talking to a lot of friends in the business is it has made them a bit anxious about things, I hope in a good way," Kasper said. "These jobs are highly-coveted and incredibly comfortable in terms of the material side of it, and when you have one of these jobs you tend to focus on keeping the job.
"When someone close to you leaves what I would describe as the best job in sports, I think that scares some people. And it is scary. I'm not claiming that it wasn't scary, but it's a process that's important to go through."
Taking stock
If you can't appreciate this level of introspection from someone as supremely talented as Kasper, you are truly missing one of life's great lessons. The list of people who don't own a mirror, but presume to know all about -- and criticize -- someone else, is infinite.
"Comfort matters in a lot of ways, but intellectual discomfort is really good for the soul," Kasper said. "I'm challenging myself to do something I dreamed about as a kid, and having very deep conversations with close friends, I have found that some of them are thinking differently about it, even envious about it.

"Not necessarily doing something like I did, but getting out of that bubble, out of that comfort zone. Life is about experiences.
"I've had some TV guys who love radio say they wish they could do it. My answer is, 'Why the (heck) not?' At first, what made no sense to them now makes total sense.
"Whether it makes sense to others doesn't matter. I did it for myself. I'm not looking back and I'm really excited. People say, 'You might regret it.' I haven't yet, but the mystery and the unknown of that is the fun of it."
Don't think, however, that he has escaped scot-free.
"My parents have almost never missed a game I broadcast and they're already figuring out ways to listen to White Sox games," Kasper said. "But when I told them over Zoom about my decision, my dad said, 'Can I still root for the Cubs?' I said, 'Of course.' He can still watch the Cubs, but he has to listen to the Sox."
Ultimately, along this journey you only have to answer to yourself, you only have to listen to your heart. Len Kasper did precisely that. Understand his resolve. Or don't.
But either way, you do have to admire him for it.

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Whatever. He can do what he wants. I respect that.

It was a mistake, though, Len.

You get the Cubs TV gig, you keep it. You don't go to White Sox radio.

It cost you millions of dollars over the remainder of your career. Sox radio has to pay half of what he was getting for Cubs TV. If not less.

Len will regret this in a year or so.

I think this was a mid life crisis decision.


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a certain hall of famer?

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I had no idea Rozner was so emotionally invested in Len Kasper. That was a borderline uncomfortable read.

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I had no idea Rozner was so emotionally invested in Len Kasper. That was a borderline uncomfortable read.

Len is breathtaking.

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I had no idea Rozner was so emotionally invested in Len Kasper. That was a borderline uncomfortable read.

Len is breathtaking.


Rozner doesn't think that much of Len. Trust me. Len is Len. He's fine. There's nothing special about him. Writers tend to make things dramatic for the article. Rozner is that type.


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If you broadcast for 30+ years you just get in the HOF. That's the way MLB works. For any market. It's that simple. So Len will probably do this until he's 70. That will make 40+ years.

Announcers just get in the HOF for doing it for a long time. That's the way it works. It's basically an award for not getting fired and lasting in the industry.

The grocery worker that does it for 40 years has no hall of fame. Even if he or she is great at it. Famous people have these things.


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Well to be fair, Len never said what year that World Series was going to happen in.

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