He just is. He's playing for a contender unlike Hamilton. He's the MLB home run leader. Hamilton has more RBIs but Carlos is closing that gap.

Can't give it to Hamilton. He's playing for nothing in August and September. Every game is important for Quentin. Being a recovered crack head will help Hamilton get sympathy votes but he's not the MVP. People like that story. Plus he praises Jesus a lot. That will help him with the religious writers. It's Quentin, however. No doubt in my mind.

In May when this offense was horrid, he was the only one hitting. It seemed like every day he would find himself at the plate in a big situation and would come thru. He keeps this up and he has to be looked at as the MVP.

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Yeah its gonna be a dog fight with Hamilton. I understand that Carlos has great numbers, but im sure the writers want to do the feel good story that ESPN had given us for the all star break. I do agree the Quentin deserves it. Put might not get it.

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I think there was an article on ESPN.com that mentioned that Hamilton has had many more RBI opportunities than Quentin, I don't remember the exact numbers. Which is not surprising considering the somewhat low OBP of Cabrera and AJ.

Quentin should be the MVP.

Feel good story?

A guy coming back from multiple injuries including Tommy John surgery against a former junkie? Quentin had bad luck with injuries and was taken from the scrap heap. Keep in mind, he barely made the ballclub. Alexi Ramierez was the left fielder on opening day. I'm glad Hamilton has turned things around but his problems were all self inflicted, and his team sucks.

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I agree. Why should Quentin be punished cuz he wasn't a former drunk and Crack head? Fuck Hamilton. Shit, I like to drink and I still do my job. Nobody is giving me an award.

Christ, if I were Quentin I'd say I recovered from a nasty cocaine habbit. What the hell? It will give you some extra votes, Carlos.

that rarely factors in to the MVP voting...

I understand that Hamilton isnt playing for anything but again, it doesnt matter. Carlos comes from the White Sox. They get as much publicity as any D level actor. They get no love and Carlos wont either. Its not fair. Its just how it goes.

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Right, Chris. Like the fuckin' Texas Rangers are baseball Royalty. C'mon. Sox are more popular, nationally, then the Rangers.

If he wins it it's because people like the "crack head made good" fuckin' story.

If it were a Sox player vs a Boston/Yankee player I would agree. Not vs a fuckin Texas Ranger.

Keep in mind. The Sox are on WGN at least once a week. That's the Super Station across the country. Usually it's a Saturday game if you follow it. They have more ESPN and FOX games than the Rangers.

well that and his insane RBI count and hitting over .300.

To the national outlet known as ESPN give them the crack head story over a guy overcoming Tommy John anytime. I would say the Rangers might be as popular as the White Sox but I have no basis for that claim so im not gonna argue it one way or another. Attendance records appear to be close over a 10 year period but who knows about overall ratings and all that shit. It doesnt matter that much to me to do all the counting and research. Again. I think Carlos deserves it, but he more than likely wont get it.

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I said it's the "crack" shit that will get it for Hamilton. You said it's lack of popularity. It's Sox vs Rangers in this specific case.

It doesn't matter about local attencence. We're taling nationally. Sox do about 30k on average this year. I'll guarentee this. More people in Chicago watch the Sox, on a nightly basis, then the crackers in Dallas. We have more people and we are more of a baseball town. Even Cubs fans watch the Sox. I watch the Cubs.

If you don't realize that the Sox are more popular then the Rangers then I can't help you. They are. Cubs are bigger. But the Sox still play in the 3rd largest market. Plus, all of the other things I mentioned. WGN, FOX, ESPN. Sox get exposure. Plus, Sox recently won the World Series.

I was saying basically with the sox level of populartiy it will affect the way Carlos gets attention. His numbers wont gather the same attention that a Red Sox or Yankee would because of the market. You and I both know what he has been doing for the Sox but not everyone proabably does. He isnt a story right now, because of the team he plays for. Like I said before (many times)if he was playing this type of ball on a top 5 al team he would be the toast of the league. The sox arent a top five al team in terms of popularity and relivance to the baseball writers that vote on this thing. They will go after the story not the numbers on this, because its not great A-Rod type numbers

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I hear what you're saying.

I'm just saying, in this case, it's Quentin vs Hamilton. Nobody else is being considered.

Therefore, it's Rangers vs Sox. We win that.

Like I said, if Hamilton wins it, it will be because he was on "crack". I said that before you posted, Chris. So we agree. Not cuz the Sox aren't popular. That is was your initial post was about. "Sox popularity". That's what I was arguing against. Not in this case. That's all.

It seems crazy that there are only 2 legit candidates for MVP and none of them come from the east coast.

Great stuff.

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--yet I can't look away."

There is a lot of baseball to be played, Albert. That should go to Quentin's favor, however.

Hamilton is playing free and loose. Nothing matters for his team. Rangers are out of it. Every fuckin' game is big for Quentin and the Sox.

Quentin's big games, from here on out, mean a hell of a lot more than Hamilton's big games.

You know what? I would give the MVP to Hamilton if he had this season while still on "crack".

That's impressive. Fuck this "quitting shit".

If he was still on "crack" I wouldn't care that his team was out of it. I'd give it to him over Quentin. Let this be an insentive for future addicts. Stay addicted and perform. You'll get my vote.

I'm not impressed, Hamilton, by this "I quit crack. Jesus saved me. Jesus. Jesus. Jesus."

Jesus let you get addicted. He didn't help you quit. He doesn't care about you. Trust me. The entire battle entertained Jesus.

95 RBI on the White Sox is no small feat. People forget how bad this offense was in late April and thru May.

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All this whining about popularity and no one mentions Morneau.

The most important quarter of the season is still to be played and you want to announce MVPs.

Let the rest of the season play out. Someone will have a "signature" game that will make him stand out.

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And men have lost their reason.

I think Dustin Pedroia should win the AL MVP award. Josh Hamilton would win the MIN award (Most Impressive Numbers).

Ok. I've noticed this from Quentin. He does it all of the time. It must be a superstition.

Every time he gets a single he says something to the first base ump after he makes his turn and goes back to the base.

Don't know what but it seems very polite. Like "how are you doing today sir?" Something like that. I've seen him do it all year. You guys notice it? If not you can watch for it.

not at all, and the white sox' collective batting average is .266 while the rangers' is .280, i'm just saying hamilton's stats are legitimately mvp-worthy.

but i'm pretty sure sox fans are hoping more for a play off berth than an MVP on a team that doesn't get in.

Carlos Quentin is on a first place team in the A.L. Central, and has worked his ass off this season for the Chicago White Sox. In my opinion, the Sox have two legitimate MVP candidates, and had they not faded in 2006 down the stretch, Jermaine Dye would've won the MVP 2 seasons ago in the American League. Dye has also done the heavy lifting with the bat, and also deserves serious consideration for the A.L. MVP this season. The writers tend to go with a player on a contending team when it comes for MVP honors. The Texas Rangers are NOT a contender (again), and while America loves feelgood stories, Josh Hamilton's stats are real good, but not MVP worthy. With the Anaheim (NOT LOS ANGELES!!) Angels running away from the pack in the A.L. West, and the Rangers not exactly a wildcard challenger either, Hamilton's outstanding season might cost him votes with the writers who vote for the award.

MVP is the most valuable player to his team. The Rangers would be about where they are without Hamilton.

The Sox would be 5 or 6 games behind Minnesota without Quentin.

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Frank, I rest my case. Quentin for MVP! Nuff said!

Red Sox, Angels, Yanks, Detroit and Seattle draw more fans. Indians have drawn about 300 fans less on average and they have been bad all year. If you want I can go find TV ratings too. Or do you just want to stick with what Buster Olney and Jayson Stark tell you. Get your head out of YOUR ass and start looking at the actual numbers.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/attendanc ... asonType=2

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Took about two seconds to find ratings from last year. Here you go. If you need help reading them Ill break it down to you.

http://forums.nyyfans.com/showthread.php?t=106447

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Last I checked, guys like Olney actually have a vote for the MVP. Attendance means jack and shit when deciding on the league's most valuable player you dumbfuck.

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But what does attendance have to do with national exposure and the writers who vote on the MVP?

Nothing. That was my point.

If they dont get any exposure in the town they play (barely) they wont get the attention of all the writers from across the country. Buster and Jayson Stark get paid to sit and watch highlights, but they are only two guys. The beat reporters and everyone else that votes wont pay attention to a team like the Sox, if the fans dont either. Im not trying to bash the Sox or what he is doing here. Dont take offense to this. I would perfer him to win it. Im not a Sox hater, Im more of a meatball sox fan hater. Shit the wife is a sox fan. Im just wanting to talk baseball right now, because the thought of football is killing me.

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