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Regardless of which one is better than the other -and it’s not by much either way- coaching is the biggest problem on this team, and has been for a while.

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How often has Mitch checked off his receivers to connect 3rd and long in big games, against elite defenses multiple times in a game? A guy who played Mannelly said Mitch doesn't have an elite QB mind to read D's and find receivers in the seconds great ones do it. Detroit is bad. A depleted Houston quit. Mitch could get better. How much? Will his poor decision making show up again. He does have talent. In a contract year fighting for more $. I'd think he'd play out of his mind the rest of the year. No one, including the Bears will sign him to 30 mil a year. If the Bears can get him 2 years 10 mil per Ok. Praising him for 5 yard flare pass accuracy was pure gold.


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This is the worst thing that can happen, Mitch gets garbage time points against GB..then beats up on two teams that are terrible who fired their coach- GM.. This keeps Nagy and Pace here and possibly gets this chump Mitch a bew contract.

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This is the worst thing that can happen, Mitch gets garbage time points against GB..then beats up on two teams that are terrible who fired their coach- GM.. This keeps Nagy and Pace here and possibly gets this chump Mitch a bew contract.




Stop tuning in. I stopped during halftime of the GB game and haven’t given them my attention (outside of hearing/reading about what’s going on) since.


If enough people do this, their ratings will drop and that will get noticed. I’m not giving my time to mediocre bullcrap anymore. I’ve put my time in as a fan since 1985 -you want my time? Don’t be bad, and do everything in your power to make an effort to recognize and correct it when you are. Plain and simple.


The 1st and last time I did this was during the Trestman era after the 50 point losses.

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There will be better QB on the free agent market than Mitch.

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Mitch has plus level QB athleticism paired with an unfortunate inability to read defenses, that paired with one of the more inept offensive coaches in football has, and will continue to place a well defined ceiling on his development.


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There will be better QB on the free agent market than Mitch.

Nope. Don’t trot out Alex Smith again. He’s not very good when healthy and loses another body part every other time he plays.

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This is the worst thing that can happen, Mitch gets garbage time points against GB..then beats up on two teams that are terrible who fired their coach- GM.. This keeps Nagy and Pace here and possibly gets this chump Mitch a bew contract.

Yep. Even today the Score was filled with hosts and experts talking about how Mitch has turned the corner. “The last three games...”

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This is the worst thing that can happen, Mitch gets garbage time points against GB..then beats up on two teams that are terrible who fired their coach- GM.. This keeps Nagy and Pace here and possibly gets this chump Mitch a bew contract.

Yep. Even today the Score was filled with hosts and experts talking about how Mitch has turned the corner. “The last three games...”

Yeah that’s bad analysis. There was no corner to turn. Mitch has always been SOLID

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There will be better QB on the free agent market than Mitch.

Nope. Don’t trot out Alex Smith again. He’s not very good when healthy and loses another body part every other time he plays.


I wonder if Mitch will end up having an Alex Smith like career and redemption story.

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There will be better QB on the free agent market than Mitch.

Nope. Don’t trot out Alex Smith again. He’s not very good when healthy and loses another body part every other time he plays.


I wonder if Mitch will end up having an Alex Smith like career and redemption story.


No. Alex Smith is regarded as one of the most accurate QB's and has been for a while. Mitch is one of the least accurate. Maybe with better mechanics he can improve a bit but I dont have much hope for that.

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1. There is not anybody better. There's a reason you're able to sign a free agent QB. It's because the other team thinks they suck. And most of those guys are older than Mitch. So they've sucked for longer. I want to keep our own trash. I say that with the thinking that he's not completely trash. And he knows our system. And he's improving.

2. Earlier in this thread, somebody said to franchise tag Mitch. You don't need to do that and that would be way too much money. Like I said, he's an restricted free agent. The Bears can match any offer. Whatever offer he gets won't be close to franchise tag money. So just match it. It's simple how to handle this. I'm right. Everybody who disagrees with me is wrong.

I think Pace and Nagy are coming back. So I hope they're gonna agree with me. But I'm not sure what they're thinking.


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1. There is not anybody better. There's a reason you're able to sign a free agent QB. It's because the other team thinks they suck. And most of those guys are older than Mitch. So they've sucked for longer. I want to keep our own trash. I say that with the thinking that he's not completely trash. And he knows our system. And he's improving.

2. Earlier in this thread, somebody said to franchise tag Mitch. You don't need to do that and that would be way too much money. Like I said, he's an restricted free agent. The Bears can match any offer. Whatever offer he gets won't be close to franchise tag money. So just match it. It's simple how to handle this. I'm right. Everybody who disagrees with me is wrong.

I think Pace and Nagy are coming back. So I hope they're gonna agree with me. But I'm not sure what they're thinking.

Mitch is going to be an unrestricted free agent...no chance to match. Now apologize to “everybody”.

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Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:
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1. There is not anybody better. There's a reason you're able to sign a free agent QB. It's because the other team thinks they suck. And most of those guys are older than Mitch. So they've sucked for longer. I want to keep our own trash. I say that with the thinking that he's not completely trash. And he knows our system. And he's improving.

2. Earlier in this thread, somebody said to franchise tag Mitch. You don't need to do that and that would be way too much money. Like I said, he's an restricted free agent. The Bears can match any offer. Whatever offer he gets won't be close to franchise tag money. So just match it. It's simple how to handle this. I'm right. Everybody who disagrees with me is wrong.

I think Pace and Nagy are coming back. So I hope they're gonna agree with me. But I'm not sure what they're thinking.

Mitch is going to be an unrestricted free agent...no chance to match. Now apologize to “everybody”.


You're wrong.

He's restricted. It's his rookie contract.

Same thing happened whit Kyle Fuller. They declined his 5th year option the year before. Packers made him an offer. The Bears matched it.

Same thing can happen with Mitch.

So you apologize to me.


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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
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There will be better QB on the free agent market than Mitch.

Nope. Don’t trot out Alex Smith again. He’s not very good when healthy and loses another body part every other time he plays.


I wonder if Mitch will end up having an Alex Smith like career and redemption story.

Nfl is too random to tell. He’s a starting quality QB though and can make the pro bowl again in the right system.

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Beardown wrote:
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1. There is not anybody better. There's a reason you're able to sign a free agent QB. It's because the other team thinks they suck. And most of those guys are older than Mitch. So they've sucked for longer. I want to keep our own trash. I say that with the thinking that he's not completely trash. And he knows our system. And he's improving.

2. Earlier in this thread, somebody said to franchise tag Mitch. You don't need to do that and that would be way too much money. Like I said, he's an restricted free agent. The Bears can match any offer. Whatever offer he gets won't be close to franchise tag money. So just match it. It's simple how to handle this. I'm right. Everybody who disagrees with me is wrong.

I think Pace and Nagy are coming back. So I hope they're gonna agree with me. But I'm not sure what they're thinking.

Mitch is going to be an unrestricted free agent...no chance to match. Now apologize to “everybody”.


You're wrong.

He's restricted. It's his rookie contract.

Same thing happened whit Kyle Fuller. They declined his 5th year option the year before. Packers made him an offer. The Bears matched it.

Same thing can happen with Mitch.

So you apologize to me.
The Bears will not pick up the fifth-year option on quarterback Mitch (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky’s rookie contract, allowing him to be an unrestricted free agent after this season, a source confirmed to the Sun-Times on Saturday afternoon.

The Bears put a transition tag on Fuller which allowed them to match an offer.

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Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:
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1. There is not anybody better. There's a reason you're able to sign a free agent QB. It's because the other team thinks they suck. And most of those guys are older than Mitch. So they've sucked for longer. I want to keep our own trash. I say that with the thinking that he's not completely trash. And he knows our system. And he's improving.

2. Earlier in this thread, somebody said to franchise tag Mitch. You don't need to do that and that would be way too much money. Like I said, he's an restricted free agent. The Bears can match any offer. Whatever offer he gets won't be close to franchise tag money. So just match it. It's simple how to handle this. I'm right. Everybody who disagrees with me is wrong.

I think Pace and Nagy are coming back. So I hope they're gonna agree with me. But I'm not sure what they're thinking.

Mitch is going to be an unrestricted free agent...no chance to match. Now apologize to “everybody”.


You're wrong.

He's restricted. It's his rookie contract.

Same thing happened whit Kyle Fuller. They declined his 5th year option the year before. Packers made him an offer. The Bears matched it.

Same thing can happen with Mitch.

So you apologize to me.
The Bears will not pick up the fifth-year option on quarterback Mitch (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky’s rookie contract, allowing him to be an unrestricted free agent after this season, a source confirmed to the Sun-Times on Saturday afternoon.

The Bears put a transition tag on Fuller which allowed them to match an offer.


Ok. Sorry. Wasn't aware of that transition tag thing.

But they can still bid on him with other teams.

But it begs the question. Why wouldn't the Bears put that transition tag on Mitch like they did with Fuller? What would have been the downside? I don't see one. That was stupid.


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Beardown wrote:
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Beardown wrote:
Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:
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1. There is not anybody better. There's a reason you're able to sign a free agent QB. It's because the other team thinks they suck. And most of those guys are older than Mitch. So they've sucked for longer. I want to keep our own trash. I say that with the thinking that he's not completely trash. And he knows our system. And he's improving.

2. Earlier in this thread, somebody said to franchise tag Mitch. You don't need to do that and that would be way too much money. Like I said, he's an restricted free agent. The Bears can match any offer. Whatever offer he gets won't be close to franchise tag money. So just match it. It's simple how to handle this. I'm right. Everybody who disagrees with me is wrong.

I think Pace and Nagy are coming back. So I hope they're gonna agree with me. But I'm not sure what they're thinking.

Mitch is going to be an unrestricted free agent...no chance to match. Now apologize to “everybody”.


You're wrong.

He's restricted. It's his rookie contract.

Same thing happened whit Kyle Fuller. They declined his 5th year option the year before. Packers made him an offer. The Bears matched it.

Same thing can happen with Mitch.

So you apologize to me.
The Bears will not pick up the fifth-year option on quarterback Mitch (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky’s rookie contract, allowing him to be an unrestricted free agent after this season, a source confirmed to the Sun-Times on Saturday afternoon.

The Bears put a transition tag on Fuller which allowed them to match an offer.


Ok. Sorry. Wasn't aware of that transition tag thing.

But they can still bid on him with other teams.

The franchise tag would mean you are overpaying him, but only for one year. Matching an offer would likely mean you are signing him to a multi-year deal. He’s not going to get a max offer but another team could structure it in a way that could hurt the Bears for years to come.

I could definitely see them tagging Robinson however.

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There will be better QB on the free agent market than Mitch.

Nope. Don’t trot out Alex Smith again. He’s not very good when healthy and loses another body part every other time he plays.


I wonder if Mitch will end up having an Alex Smith like career and redemption story.

Nfl is too random to tell. He’s a starting quality QB though and can make the pro bowl again in the right system.


He has been ripped on quite a bit as being overrated, stupid, etc. It's a performance based league so I get it, but it's not like he demanded to be drafted 2nd or be coached John Fox and Matt Nagy. He's similar to Smith in that an all time great was taken after him. So that will always be something hanging over him.

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But I doubt no other team would make him an offer for more than 2 years at reasonable money, with less then half of it guaranteed.

So what I'm saying is you have an out after one year. With not that much of a cap hit. Same way we did it with Glennon.

Once again, why didn't we transition tag him like we did Fuller? Somebody explain that to me. I don't get why it wouldn't have been done as a franchise to protect yourself. What's the downside of doing that? I don't see that there is one.


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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
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There will be better QB on the free agent market than Mitch.

Nope. Don’t trot out Alex Smith again. He’s not very good when healthy and loses another body part every other time he plays.


I wonder if Mitch will end up having an Alex Smith like career and redemption story.

Nfl is too random to tell. He’s a starting quality QB though and can make the pro bowl again in the right system.


He has been ripped on quite a bit as being overrated, stupid, etc. It's a performance based league so I get it, but it's not like he demanded to be drafted 2nd or be coached John Fox and Matt Nagy. He's similar to Smith in that an all time great was taken after him. So that will always be something hanging over him.

Imo best case scenario for him is to go back up Big Ben for Ben’s last year and then take over.

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From W&S. Bears have played 29 games last 2 years. They're 14-15. The 14 wins come against teams 78-128. 3 wins against teams +500 last year or this year. One of them the Vikings sat everyone.last year.


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But I doubt no other team would make him an offer for more than 2 years at reasonable money, with less then half of it guaranteed.

So what I'm saying is you have an out after one year. With not that much of a cap hit. Same way we did it with Glennon.

Once again, why didn't we transition tag him like we did Fuller? Somebody explain that to me. I don't get why it wouldn't have been done as a franchise to protect yourself. What's the downside of doing that? I don't see that there is one.


Transition Tag is not placed until after the season and is projected to be 21 million for a qb this offseason. They could have exercised his non guaranteed (injury only gurantee) 5th year option for 24 million but declined. If they had exercised that option they would have had until March to decide whether to keep him for next year or cut him.

Going forward 5th year options are fully guaranteed now in the new CBA is in place for first round picks drafted 2018 or later.

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But I doubt no other team would make him an offer for more than 2 years at reasonable money, with less then half of it guaranteed.

So what I'm saying is you have an out after one year. With not that much of a cap hit. Same way we did it with Glennon.

Once again, why didn't we transition tag him like we did Fuller? Somebody explain that to me. I don't get why it wouldn't have been done as a franchise to protect yourself. What's the downside of doing that? I don't see that there is one.


Transition Tag is not placed until after the season and is projected to be 21 million for a qb this offseason. They could have exercised his non guaranteed (injury only gurantee) 5th year option for 24 million but declined. If they had exercised that option they would have had until March to decide whether to keep him for next year or cut him.

Going forward 5th year options are fully guaranteed now in the new CBA is in place for first round picks drafted 2018 or later.


Ok. Fine. Then the Bears should do that. Put that transition tag on him at the end of the year. So they will at least have the ability to match an offer. It's in the best interest of the Bears. No down side in doing so. If the offer is too much, don't match. No big deal.


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god stop it. he cant read a defense. he's the same guy he's always been. is this a bit?


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god stop it. he cant read a defense. he's the same guy he's always been. is this a bit?


and he still throws wide on short/medium sideline passes

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A new start for both is good. (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky has been better than Cutler at a younger age for the Bears but it's the same reason you don't keep chasing the "Hey, maybe he'll be better!" plan. Maybe, like the Dolphins or 49ers, we'll find a better quarterback 5 years later.

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Beardown wrote:
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But I doubt no other team would make him an offer for more than 2 years at reasonable money, with less then half of it guaranteed.

So what I'm saying is you have an out after one year. With not that much of a cap hit. Same way we did it with Glennon.

Once again, why didn't we transition tag him like we did Fuller? Somebody explain that to me. I don't get why it wouldn't have been done as a franchise to protect yourself. What's the downside of doing that? I don't see that there is one.


Transition Tag is not placed until after the season and is projected to be 21 million for a qb this offseason. They could have exercised his non guaranteed (injury only gurantee) 5th year option for 24 million but declined. If they had exercised that option they would have had until March to decide whether to keep him for next year or cut him.

Going forward 5th year options are fully guaranteed now in the new CBA is in place for first round picks drafted 2018 or later.


Ok. Fine. Then the Bears should do that. Put that transition tag on him at the end of the year. So they will at least have the ability to match an offer. It's in the best interest of the Bears. No down side in doing so. If the offer is too much, don't match. No big deal.


He could also sign it immediately and cost 21 million for next year.

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