Cool, though not sure how accurate numbers are from the period.

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Looking forward to WFR's take on this.

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What's your guess? I've heard it was akin to Triple A with stars and superstars sprinkled in. Smaller talent pool and some pretty bad players, fields, and stadiums. Personally, I have no clue, but would love to read about this.

Would be in my Top 100 things to see if I could time travel, though.

It'll be interesting for sure to see how the stats are incorporated into history.

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another plug for the Negro league museum. If you have not been to KC to see it you need to get there. Great stuff for any baseball fan

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
--yet I can't look away."

Definitely want to make it out there.

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I always enjoy stories of the legend of Josh Gibson.

Hopefully, I can make it out to KC someday.

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It's ridiculous pandering, but you already knew that. Now back to your d virtue signaling about white guilt and what a great ally you are to minorities from your Lake Forest mansion.

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Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?

I don't see how you can do anything other than add them all whatever they may be, or don't add any. If the steroid era stats are going to stay in and count, then the same should happen for the Negro Leagues in my opinion.

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Those are completely different circumstances, and it makes zero sense to compare them. Let's just add the stats from the Federalist League, and raise the banner for the Chicago Whales while we are at it.

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Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?

Probably should include stats from any professional organization.

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

We are going to have to take down the Jordan statue and burn the banners. The Harlem Globetrotters are now 94 time consecutive champions.

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Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

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Meghan McCain's Value Over Replacement Beard is one for the record books

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Has someone hacked WFR's account? He's made like 3 jokes in the past couple days. This can't be him.

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I saw a story on I think Real Sports about a guy who has spent years tabulating box scores that were published in newspapers of that time. The numbers weren't made up he has.

http://www.seamheads.com/NegroLgs/histo ... &sort=HR_a

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Were these the stats Julie cited when attempting to check out a Josh Gibson book from her local library?

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Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?

Josh only has 238 HR credited to him so probably not.

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I noticed that too. I like this version more

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Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

I guess I kind of fall somewhere between you and Frank regarding the numbers. If this had happened in 1980 I would have found it outrageous. 60 and 714 were sacred numbers that everyone knew. The names Tracy Stallard and Al Downing mean something to me. There was a time when I could tell you every guy who ever hit 50 in a season off the top of my head and it wasn't many. The steroid, juiced ball, small ballpark, whatever you want to attribute the offensive explosion to era changed everything. I don't even know the all-time home run record. I know Bonds holds it, but I couldn't tell you the number. The single season record, I'm pretty sure it's 73, but I wouldn't swear to it without looking it up. And I'm a pretty big fan. Even the average guy who didn't really care about the game knew 714. So did his wife.

Still, of course you're correct that it's pandering and it's pretty ridiculous to install the Bunyanesque feats of these guys, as great as they may have been, as official records. Are we going to replace Usain Bolt with Cool Papa Bell based on legend and sketchy record keeping too? Even if the record keeping were complete and relatively sound, which it isn't, there were too many guys pitching to Gibson and Charleston that couldn't have sniffed the big leagues.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Kash, and Don

All the negro league stats should be reduced by 3/5ths

Are we really that sure about that? There are also a number of players who never would have been in MLB if baseball had always been integrated. But either way, the numbers don't really matter anymore after the steroid/ juiced ball era. If it is verifiable through printed box scores I see no real issue with that. If were just going to let people like Julie make things up that is something different.

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If they can merge WCW and WWF then why not this?

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

It's certainly true that stats have taken a huge hit, but think of the irony of a guy who never played Major League baseball taking the home run crown from Hank Aaron and the unofficial/official champion Barry Bonds. How is that for social justice?

Also, this is ignoring what the Negro Leagues were. They were not the Majors, but with black guys. It was closer to the circus of that era. They would go from town to town and put on a show. And the gate was their salary so that was more important than the competition.

Baseball has gone to great lengths to honor these guys. Acting like they played MLB is just silly overreach that doesn't improve anyone's life. In fact it distorts and white washes history. They are in the record books. It's like they were never banned.

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Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?

All I know is that there’s no way Mickey Mantle was faster than Cool Papa Bell.

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

Sure, it's not like Ruth hit all 714 off Walter Johnson and Stan Coveleski. But baseball historians know that the quality wasn't always there and that a lot of the leagues operated on a shoestring with teams moving and leagues folding.

It seems like you and I are basically on the same page though.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Kash, and Don

JOrr I do agree with your overall sentiment, I just don't see how baseball can say we will put some stats in but keep some stats out. It just doesn't work like that, or at least it shouldn't. It has to be all or nothing I would think.


Or maybe they will put 3/5 of Josh Gibson's homers into the record books.

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But what are the agreed upon Josh Gibson stats? And why stop with the Negro Leagues? Should we honor Japanese Baseball stats?

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Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?