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i like Collins a lot but would not do max money, that's crazy


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Shakes what do you think becomes of John Collins with Gallinari on the scene?



There's been some odd rumblings about Collins wanting a max contract and ATL not wanting to give it to him, but I'm not buying that. I don't think Gallo has any bearing on what happens to Collins. Gallo was told when he signed that he would be coming off the bench and he was cool with that. I think it's a 3 year contract with only something like $3 million guaranteed in year 3.

Also, Collins can move over and play small ball 5 at times which would allow more PT for Gallo.

I'd be very upset if they got rid of Collins over a few dollars. What's the point of hitting on a later first rounder if you're not going to pay the guy when he blows away his expectations?

Looking at a rotation like this...

Capela/Okongwu/Fernando
Collins/Gallo
Reddish/Hunter or Hunter/Reddish
Bogi/Huerter
Trae/Rondo/Dunn




Only reason that I ask is because Collins is terrible defensively too like Trae. If they pay both huge Money is that a recipe for winning in the future? You can't have your two highest paid/ best players also be your two worst defensive players and expect to win. That may be why they are hesitant to pay Collins that kind of dough. I'd heard similar things about him wanting max or close to max money. I don't know about that one



I don't think Collins is terrible defensively. He's below average, but did show improvement last year. I expect him to continue to improve on that end. He definitely struggles guarding centers though which won't be an issue this year now that we have Capela. Trae is terrible on that end obiviously, but I'm hoping he is able to raise his d level to slightly below average. With his usage and small frame I'm not going to hope for more than that.

Hawks did address the D issue as as whole though so I expect their D to be much improved. Rondo and Dunn arfe both great defenders. Reddish is on track to be an elite defender. Hunter is solid on D as well. Capela can guard the rim which Hawks haven't had since Trae got there.

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Shakes what do you think becomes of John Collins with Gallinari on the scene?



There's been some odd rumblings about Collins wanting a max contract and ATL not wanting to give it to him, but I'm not buying that. I don't think Gallo has any bearing on what happens to Collins. Gallo was told when he signed that he would be coming off the bench and he was cool with that. I think it's a 3 year contract with only something like $3 million guaranteed in year 3.

Also, Collins can move over and play small ball 5 at times which would allow more PT for Gallo.

I'd be very upset if they got rid of Collins over a few dollars. What's the point of hitting on a later first rounder if you're not going to pay the guy when he blows away his expectations?

Looking at a rotation like this...

Capela/Okongwu/Fernando
Collins/Gallo
Reddish/Hunter or Hunter/Reddish
Bogi/Huerter
Trae/Rondo/Dunn




Only reason that I ask is because Collins is terrible defensively too like Trae. If they pay both huge Money is that a recipe for winning in the future? You can't have your two highest paid/ best players also be your two worst defensive players and expect to win. That may be why they are hesitant to pay Collins that kind of dough. I'd heard similar things about him wanting max or close to max money. I don't know about that one



I don't think Collins is terrible defensively. He's below average, but did show improvement last year. I expect him to continue to improve on that end. He definitely struggles guarding centers though which won't be an issue this year now that we have Capela. Trae is terrible on that end obiviously, but I'm hoping he is able to raise his d level to slightly below average. With his usage and small frame I'm not going to hope for more than that.

Hawks did address the D issue as as whole though so I expect their D to be much improved. Rondo and Dunn arfe both great defenders. Reddish is on track to be an elite defender. Hunter is solid on D as well. Capela can guard the rim which Hawks haven't had since Trae got there.


They definitely have become a lot more intriguing with the new additions. They obviously are going all in on making the playoffs this year so I expect it to stunt the growth of some of their developing players. If he is the guy then we will definitely have a clearer picture of it after this year.

I know where you stand and you know where I stand on it so it should make for interesting discussion. I have already taken the L on him being bust now lets see if he can be a guy that you win with as the best (or 2nd best player). You know I don't believe that he is but we shall see.

I will say this. I think you are going to see Pierce as well as Rondo rein him in a lot more this year. Its probably one of the reasons that they brought Rondo in.


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Liberal Lion wrote:
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Shakes what do you think becomes of John Collins with Gallinari on the scene?



There's been some odd rumblings about Collins wanting a max contract and ATL not wanting to give it to him, but I'm not buying that. I don't think Gallo has any bearing on what happens to Collins. Gallo was told when he signed that he would be coming off the bench and he was cool with that. I think it's a 3 year contract with only something like $3 million guaranteed in year 3.

Also, Collins can move over and play small ball 5 at times which would allow more PT for Gallo.

I'd be very upset if they got rid of Collins over a few dollars. What's the point of hitting on a later first rounder if you're not going to pay the guy when he blows away his expectations?

Looking at a rotation like this...

Capela/Okongwu/Fernando
Collins/Gallo
Reddish/Hunter or Hunter/Reddish
Bogi/Huerter
Trae/Rondo/Dunn




Only reason that I ask is because Collins is terrible defensively too like Trae. If they pay both huge Money is that a recipe for winning in the future? You can't have your two highest paid/ best players also be your two worst defensive players and expect to win. That may be why they are hesitant to pay Collins that kind of dough. I'd heard similar things about him wanting max or close to max money. I don't know about that one



I don't think Collins is terrible defensively. He's below average, but did show improvement last year. I expect him to continue to improve on that end. He definitely struggles guarding centers though which won't be an issue this year now that we have Capela. Trae is terrible on that end obiviously, but I'm hoping he is able to raise his d level to slightly below average. With his usage and small frame I'm not going to hope for more than that.

Hawks did address the D issue as as whole though so I expect their D to be much improved. Rondo and Dunn arfe both great defenders. Reddish is on track to be an elite defender. Hunter is solid on D as well. Capela can guard the rim which Hawks haven't had since Trae got there.


They definitely have become a lot more intriguing with the new additions. They obviously are going all in on making the playoffs this year so I expect it to stunt the growth of some of their developing players. If he is the guy then we will definitely have a clearer picture of it after this year.

I know where you stand and you know where I stand on it so it should make for interesting discussion. I have already taken the L on him being bust now lets see if he can be a guy that you win with as the best (or 2nd best player). You know I don't believe that he is but we shall see.

I will say this. I think you are going to see Pierce as well as Rondo rein him in a lot more this year. Its probably one of the reasons that they brought Rondo in.


I agree on Rondo, I'm very excited to see how he mentors Trae.

Also very interested to see how Trae and Dunn get along. They hated each other on the court. The one game i went to at the UC Trae got ejected for getting into it a couple times with Dunn.

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I know it's only preseason, but I have a really bad feeling about the Hawks. They looked like crap. Looked like a team with half new guys and all guys who haven't played since last march. And now word that Capela is doubtful for tonight. More importantly, they refused to extend John Collins. He's not happy about that. I wonder how that is going to affect team chemistry.


Hawks have a pretty easy schedule to start the season with 6 fellow lotto teams in the first 10 games, but I still think they're going to come out of these 10 games 3-7 at best. Hopefully they can figure it out before it's too late, but with a shortened season the clock will be ticking from day 1.

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I know it's only preseason, but I have a really bad feeling about the Hawks. They looked like crap. Looked like a team with half new guys and all guys who haven't played since last march. And now word that Capela is doubtful for tonight. More importantly, they refused to extend John Collins. He's not happy about that. I wonder how that is going to affect team chemistry.


Hawks have a pretty easy schedule to start the season with 6 fellow lotto teams in the first 10 games, but I still think they're going to come out of these 10 games 3-7 at best. Hopefully they can figure it out before it's too late, but with a shortened season the clock will be ticking from day 1.

This makes me feel less confident betting them -2 tonight. I figured that line looked off for a reason

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I know it's only preseason, but I have a really bad feeling about the Hawks. They looked like crap. Looked like a team with half new guys and all guys who haven't played since last march. And now word that Capela is doubtful for tonight. More importantly, they refused to extend John Collins. He's not happy about that. I wonder how that is going to affect team chemistry.


Hawks have a pretty easy schedule to start the season with 6 fellow lotto teams in the first 10 games, but I still think they're going to come out of these 10 games 3-7 at best. Hopefully they can figure it out before it's too late, but with a shortened season the clock will be ticking from day 1.

It's pretty simple. Will they guard and rebound? Capela can't do it all but he will surely help. It's kinda fun to score 120 but not to lose by 15 doing it.


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I know it's only preseason, but I have a really bad feeling about the Hawks. They looked like crap. Looked like a team with half new guys and all guys who haven't played since last march. And now word that Capela is doubtful for tonight. More importantly, they refused to extend John Collins. He's not happy about that. I wonder how that is going to affect team chemistry.


Hawks have a pretty easy schedule to start the season with 6 fellow lotto teams in the first 10 games, but I still think they're going to come out of these 10 games 3-7 at best. Hopefully they can figure it out before it's too late, but with a shortened season the clock will be ticking from day 1.

This makes me feel less confident betting them -2 tonight. I figured that line looked off for a reason



you're throwing money away if you bet the Hawks tonight. Capela now listed as out. Okongwu is out. Our only center is Bruno Fernando and he's awful. Rondo and Dunn both out, we have no back up PG. So basically the same issues as last season. No way they win tonight.

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I know it's only preseason, but I have a really bad feeling about the Hawks. They looked like crap. Looked like a team with half new guys and all guys who haven't played since last march. And now word that Capela is doubtful for tonight. More importantly, they refused to extend John Collins. He's not happy about that. I wonder how that is going to affect team chemistry.


Hawks have a pretty easy schedule to start the season with 6 fellow lotto teams in the first 10 games, but I still think they're going to come out of these 10 games 3-7 at best. Hopefully they can figure it out before it's too late, but with a shortened season the clock will be ticking from day 1.

This makes me feel less confident betting them -2 tonight. I figured that line looked off for a reason



you're throwing money away if you bet the Hawks tonight. Capela now listed as out. Okongwu is out. Our only center is Bruno Fernando and he's awful. Rondo and Dunn both out, we have no back up PG. So basically the same issues as last season. No way they win tonight.

That’s fair. Counterpoint: have you watched the Bulls recently?

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I know it's only preseason, but I have a really bad feeling about the Hawks. They looked like crap. Looked like a team with half new guys and all guys who haven't played since last march. And now word that Capela is doubtful for tonight. More importantly, they refused to extend John Collins. He's not happy about that. I wonder how that is going to affect team chemistry.


Hawks have a pretty easy schedule to start the season with 6 fellow lotto teams in the first 10 games, but I still think they're going to come out of these 10 games 3-7 at best. Hopefully they can figure it out before it's too late, but with a shortened season the clock will be ticking from day 1.

This makes me feel less confident betting them -2 tonight. I figured that line looked off for a reason



you're throwing money away if you bet the Hawks tonight. Capela now listed as out. Okongwu is out. Our only center is Bruno Fernando and he's awful. Rondo and Dunn both out, we have no back up PG. So basically the same issues as last season. No way they win tonight.

That’s fair. Counterpoint: have you watched the Bulls recently?


I took over 10.5 points on Wendell Carter. I don't trust the Bulls and the Hawks are missing a ton of guys. Figure with the lack of defense he has a good shot of going over.

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Hawks have 20 points in the first 3 minutes. I believe my process was sound.

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Tell me again about throwing money away shakes :lol:

I know my fucking teams lol

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Tell me again about throwing money away shakes :lol:

I know my fucking teams lol



:lol: never been more happy to be so wrong.

It's a good thing I never got into betting on games.


Can't wait to see the Hawks when they actually have centers and a back up PG.

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Trae looking like a good bet to be player of the week. I believe he was also player of the week first week last season as well.


led his team to 2 wins including a 15 point 4th quarter performance to take down Morant and Memphis.

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3-0


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Should get a good test this week with back to back games vs Brooklyn.

right now Hawks are the best offensive team in the league through 3 games. And they're doing it with key guys missing. Dunn is out, Okongwu is out. Rondo and Capela didn't play till last night. Gallo has been out past two games.

When Gallo and Okongwu come back that pushes bums like Bruno Fernando and Solomon Hill out of the rotation and will make the team even stronger.


Trae is tearing it up, might even make a run at top 5 MVP voting if his team makes the playoffs.

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Fernando and Hill are decent for back end of the bench guys

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Should get a good test this week with back to back games vs Brooklyn.

right now Hawks are the best offensive team in the league through 3 games. And they're doing it with key guys missing. Dunn is out, Okongwu is out. Rondo and Capela didn't play till last night. Gallo has been out past two games.

When Gallo and Okongwu come back that pushes bums like Bruno Fernando and Solomon Hill out of the rotation and will make the team even stronger.


Trae is tearing it up, might even make a run at top 5 MVP voting if his team makes the playoffs.

Plus, so far, he's more efficient than anybody in the league. 4-1/2 less shots, 6 more FTs and 1.8 less TOs than last year.


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Fernando and Hill are decent for back end of the bench guys

they give good effort


yep, no problem with those guys being the 11 and 12th guys on the bench.

Fernando definitely busts his ass out there. his problem is he was born with two cement blocks where his hands were supposed to be.

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Fernando and Hill are decent for back end of the bench guys

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yep, no problem with those guys being the 11 and 12th guys on the bench.

Fernando definitely busts his ass out there. his problem is he was born with two cement blocks where his hands were supposed to be.

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yeah i mean if they were your 6th and 7th guys, there'd be a problem . They played 11 and 20 minutes last night, that's fine


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Fernando and Hill are decent for back end of the bench guys

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yep, no problem with those guys being the 11 and 12th guys on the bench.

Fernando definitely busts his ass out there. his problem is he was born with two cement blocks where his hands were supposed to be.

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yeah i mean if they were your 6th and 7th guys, there'd be a problem . They played 11 and 20 minutes last night, that's fine



if Fernando is even in your top 10 you have a problem. Pretty much the same with Hill. Happy that won't be an issue for the Hawks when they get healthy. they did both play well last night so I shouldn't get on them too much.

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ok so the dream of an undefeated season is over with last night's close loss to Brooklyn.


Not unhappy about the loss. They stuck with the Nets the entire game and in the last couple minutes their youth and inexperience with finishing games showed a bit while the stars for Nets hit some big shots at the end. Gallo hit his first two shots of the game and then turned his ankle.

Hoping we can finally see a fully healthy Hawks team (minus Kris Dunn) in the next couple weeks with Gallo and Okongwu getting healthy.

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Except he doesn't go backwards. He just stops and dude runs into him. Foul.


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Except he doesn't go backwards. He just stops and dude runs into him. Foul.

NBA action!

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Except he doesn't go backwards. He just stops and dude runs into him. Foul.

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Dude should stop getting fooled.


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nothing to see here. Just another coach campaigning for calls against a team he has to play 2 days later.

Spoiler: It worked! Trae didn't go to the line that much, but the Hawks still won by 20.



also, the play in that clip is clearly a foul.

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Except he doesn't go backwards. He just stops and dude runs into him. Foul.

NBA action!

Dude should stop getting fooled.




Right? Trae should stop taking advantage of defenders who follow him too closely around screens.

It's really simple. If you don't want to foul him, don't follow him too close and recklessly around screens. But wait, they don't want to do that because they are so afraid of Trae's outside shooting. So they chase him recklessly around screens and Trae reels them in like an expert bass fisherman. Its really a thing of genius to watch him play.

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