I mean... the stats don't lie, right? They both also have a total of 10 fingers, which is kind of amazing too if you think about it.

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The over the top justification for a mediocre QB is really something to see.

I don’t think it’s justification so much as it is a correction to over the top bashing.

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This line is creeping back down to 4.

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Yup

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Mitch still makes the same mistakes now that he did 4 years ago even after the offense was finally Mitchproofed. He's just a guy...nothing special. To even put him in the same graphic as Rodgers is ridiculous. The criticism is not over the top.

The criticism is certainly over the top. People think he literally sucks and isn’t a starter in this league. Not sure what else he has to show to disprove that. Of course he still makes mistakes, he’s not great, but he’s not terrible either and many people seem to wrongly think he is.

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Mitch isn’t terrible by any means and I’ve long said the coaching is one of the Bears biggest problems but.. comparing Mitch at any point to Rodgers as if it’s a valid comparison is pretty ridiculous. Next to Mahomes, Rodgers is one of the best and most talented QB’s in NFL history and his numbers back all that up. I mean, Rodgers put up numbers his very 1st year as a starter -you knew he was going to be damn good that 1st starting year.


That meme purposely lacks yards, attempts, TD’s, TD to INT ratio and rating.. which really separates them.

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Mitch will never take a team to the Super Bowl. That's all that matters. In fact, Rex Grossman was a better QB when they last went to the SB. Defenses could actually play back then before all the rule changes. Rex could execute a play action pass and complete deep passes.

Bears will put up 13 points after 3 quarters and then they will score 2 garbage time TD's. Packers 41- 27

Now see what we mean, PM?

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Now see what I mean, FF?

There are worse quarterbacks than Mitch. We have seen firsthand, because Ryan Pace acquired two of them: Mike Glennon and Nick Foles. Given the right pieces and situations, you can absolutely win with Mitch.

You will very rarely win because of Mitch, which just makes it that much harder to get to a Superbowl let alone win it.

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Grossman better than Mitch is not correct. But to think it's over the top is wrong. They are closer than you think.

I don’t, because I put no stock at all into pretend psychics. If blackhawksfan can see into the future he should play the lottery instead of posting bad football thoughts on a message board for a few dozen people to read.

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I have to laugh at “Mitch proof” the offense. You mean running an offense that plays to the strengths of your team? How are you going to be the Chiefs with this group of skill players?

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Few things: Record of opposing teams for both Bears QB's.

Foles: 65-55
(Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky: 42-78

Also this. Mitch and Rex are actually closer than I thought. Difference is teams could win a Superbowl with a strong defense and running game in 2006. In 2020 it's all about the QB. Too many rule changes that now benefit the offense. Farvefan, I seriously doubt if Mitch was on the Packers you would be satisfied with the status quo. No wayyyyyyyyyyyyy.

That plays to the minimal strengths of your QB.....has nothing to do with the rest of the team. Shorter passes and hand the ball off. Which unfortunately, you could pretty much do with a lot of QB's not drafted #2. The sad thing is it took this "braintrust" 5 years to realize what they had under center.

Anyone with half a brain knew this wasn't going to be Chiefs Part 2.

This is just nonsense. NE won a SB 13-3 less than two years ago and last year the 49ers were one play away from winning one with Jimmy G.

Football is still football, and a strong defense and run game will always allow you to compete for a championship.

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Lamar Jackson won the MVP with an offense built for him. And no one can tell me he’s better at reading defenses or a more accurate passer than Mitch. Failure to have any sort of a run game would doom the majority of quarterbacks in the league especially one with as little experience coming into the league as Mitch.

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They didn’t have to be the Chiefs. If they had the right coach and GM they could have been the Bills. Josh Allen was an abysmal QB his rookie year. Now he’s an MVP candidate.

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FF.....please tell me you are not comparing Mitch to Allen.

Do you think QBs develop independently of coaching? The answer is of course they don’t. If Buffalo had drafted Mitch and the Bears had drafted Josh Allen you would be making the exact same post right now with the opposite meaning.

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Here is what you are forgetting, FF: Mitch is football stupid.

Allen has improved every year into MVP discussions this year. Mitch has pretty much moved along the same path, year after year. You could give Mitch Belichick, Sean Payton, Andy Reid or any other coach and he will more than likely be the same guy.

We will agree to disagree on this.

Yeah we’ll have to disagree here. I think coaching matters for all players, not just the supposedly bright ones. I’ve also seen little evidence Josh Allen is smarter than Mitch in any tangible way. He’s better coached though.

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Football smarts is one thing, but is Mitch the worst passer in the league past 10 yards? In his 9 games, he's never completed a pass past 36 yards. That ranks him 56th in the league. His throws past 15 yards usually lack accuracy and that's often when he has all the time in the world to throw. That leaves running as his only other skill, but opponents were taking that away from him the past few years. I haven't paid enough attention to Nagy's play calling, but I'll take everyone's word that it has been bad. That said, I think even the greater offensive minds out there can only do so much if Mitch is limited to short passes and runs. He looks better lately down field, but I still think he's a bottom of the league QB until he can prove it for an entire season.

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Now I flat out disagree with you.. to a point lol


Mitch looks waaaay better with Billy B or Andy Reid coaching him. Where I don’t totally dismiss your analysis is Mitch being ‘after the snap stupid’ (kind of like Cutler). But those other coaches would be light years ahead of what Mitch has now in terms of being coached up and schemes to his strengths. And that would result in him looking a lot better.

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Allen also has superior arm talent too.

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Yeah, Allen is bigger, faster, stronger and smarter than Mitch. He's also got probably the strongest arm in the league.

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Mitch has the will to win though. (Against non playoff teams)