If they spent the entire draft on the O line, at least that would pay benefits for a long time. You can plug in any decent RB, and you protect your QB. It makes the entire offense better. Now in reality they have plenty of holes to fill, so it is not a practical approach.

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Every pick Denis!!!

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Need to pick 2 Tackles and 1 interior guy for depth.

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I'm sure they'll grab a couple day 3 OL

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With Daniel and Whitehair, the Bears are set at guard. Mustipher seems set at center. I think Bars is likely to be the swing OL in the interior. That's pretty solid on paper. I could see either Massie or Leno being cut this off-season to save money, but it would be tough to replace both with veterans. OL should be a top priority in the draft. They need at least 1 in the first two rounds, and probably 2 in the first 3 or 4 rounds to shore up the OT.

O line evaluation has been of the areas that Pace/Nagy have failed the most spectacularly. If you listen to Olin or Thayer closely they tell you exactly what is wrong. Daniels is undersized and really can only succeed at C where he can rely on athleticism to make up for technique/strength limitations, but he cannot read the D or make the line calls. Whitehair is physical enough to play C, but he again lacks ability in the mental part of the game, which is explains why he gets alon with Mitch so well, two guys with physical gifts sufficient enough to play in the NFL, but severely limited in the mental part of the game which in Mitch's case, puts a low ceiling on that player. Mustapher has come in and though undersized, he excels at the mental part of the game. This all gets back to Pace being enamored with how guys look in their underwear at the combine rather than drafting guys that actually have produced.

Will not even get into the refusal to draft OT's, that has been discussed ad nauseam on the board.

They need to draft a QB, this is a good class to do it in that should see some talented dudes even late in the 1st. They can go after guards and tackles after that all they want -but this team isn’t going anywhere until they get the QB position right. And to do that, you have to start swinging at the best available talent at the position still on the board when you’re drafting.


Getting the future starting right tackle or left guard doesn’t change the trajectory of your team, getting your future QB does.


Dont fuck around in this draft -scout every QB, put together a list of the ones you like and grab the most desired one you can when it’s your turn to pick.

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Disagree with the assessment of the QB prospects in this draft class. Only see Lawrence as a possible franchise QB, there are several guys that should have 2nd round grades that someone (Bears) will trade up and reach for in this draft.

There are however numerous guys that should be available in the 1st round that could drastically improve you at LT for the next 5-7 years. You can have the greatest QB in the world, but if you have Leno at LT you really cannot run your offense unless you have a very mobile QB.

So you go LT in first, QB in 2nd, best WR/T/DT in 3rd, and try to find depth at WR/RB/ILB/DT/TE the rest of the way unless they can move a pricey defensive player.

Yes CM Yes!!!

Best available LT/RT in the first should be the goal.

There seems to be an abundance of offensive linemen to choose from as well.

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This logic goes both ways but leans more in one direction than another -you can still find O-line talent with high grades after the 1st pick. It’s different with QB tho, that talent pool is much smaller and your chances dip significantly in landing a good one the longer you wait.


I’d also add that you can land a great O-linemen in the draft and still wind up with a bad to mediocre team, but if you hit on the QB, you change the trajectory of your team for the foreseeable future. Plenty of QB’s have operated at high levels even with bad to mediocre lines. It’s not ideal, of course, but a really good QB makes everything else look better and can produce much more desirable results -a great O-lineman surrounded by not much else doesn’t do as much for you in today’s league.


There’s never been a better time to start young QB’s with some talent earlier in the NFL and get results due to the combination of rule changes and play calling/coaching cross over between both the NFL and college.


You and J Bills are free to disagree (obviously), but you’re both wrong about this. An LT or RT at 20 wont do as much good for the future of this franchise as a potential hit with a Mac Jones or a Trey Lance. The odds of more QB’s having success in the NFL are on the rise. Get your O-linemen in the 2nd round for now, the talent separation between linemen at 20 and say 40 isn’t as big as the talent gap availability as the 1st 4-5 QB’s and the rest of them. That’s how you have to look at this in order to understand it imo.


And do keep in mind teams like the Saints (who will draft after the Bears) are also most likely going to be hunting for the QB position. This is important to note because it lessons the chance of a guy you like getting into that 2nd round.


Identify the QB’s you like, attack that position 1st, move on to the rest after.

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I'm ok with OT at 20. They have to take a QB with the 2nd pick though. I still like Kyle Trask a lot.

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How are we wrong when these are all just opinions, and the draft hasn’t happened, or the 2021 season hasn’t been played yet?

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Honestly, that would be very cool if Trask is there in the 2nd round when the Bears pick.

I’ve been high on him for a while as well.

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Read my 1st paragraph again.


I’d also add as an example past drafts where the Bears picked an O-linemen very high, chose well (Kyle Long was a very good player), and it didn’t make a big difference results wise for the team as a whole.


Now pick QB’s high and hit.. it changes your team overnight. And the opportunity to land the best QB possible is early in the draft more than it is later.


Bottom line,,you can still find impactful linemen later in the draft much easier than game changing QB’s. The talent pool is bigger at O-line. Those are facts, and that’s why I believe you two are looking at this wrong.

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The problem is going to be none of the top QBs will be there at their pick in round 2. So they need to get the best QB available in the first round and then go for OT in the 2nd round.

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The Bears are already a mediocre team, the only way to change that is to hit on a QB. And you aren’t ever going to do that if you don’t start picking them early and often till you get it right.

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It’s just an opinion between two big holes on the team.

We can’t properly evaluate the decision until next season anyway.

No one is right or wrong yet.

The Bears will prolly draft another TE at 20 anyway.

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The CBS mock I was looking at only has Trask still on the board at #20. If he's not worth it, go OL/DL the first three rounds.

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I’m not arguing an opinion tho -I’m arguing numbers/odds. It’s a fact that more O-lineman will be in the draft than QB’s. The talent pool for OL is larger than the talent pool for QB


The odds of getting an impact OL player after the 1st round are greater than at QB. That’s why you take a shot at QB earlier in the draft while there is a larger available grouping of talent still on the board.

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If the rule you followed lead you to this, of what use was the rule?

Every draft is different.

Odds may be indicators, but they are not facts.

You are expressing opinions.

I also am not buying into the deep QB draft class hype of 2021.

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Yes. This is a big part of this discussion that many don't seem to grasp.

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There’s 6 QB’s I’ve seen with potential 1st round grades so far this year. I’m guessing 3 will be left between 15 and 20.. the Bears could trade up to grab one without giving up anything insane.


There’s also rumors the 2nd pick may be up for grabs due to the Jets not liking any of the options available after Lawrence over Darnold.. so of course the Bears could mortgage the future on that #2 which I’m not crazy about, but it’s out there..

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MANY just want to shore up the O-line before investing in the QB position.

I’d love to be wrong about my strategy.

Just want the bears not to be a joke organization anymore.

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No one will care about your all pro o-line if they're pass protecting for Henry Burris.

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I mean I could whatabout that opinion if you’d like.

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Looking toward the future, expecting team to tank mightily next year and have a shot at a top QB without Pace/Nagy, so why not start building the O line.

The O line impacts the running game, which under a competent coach, would allow the young QB to develop and not get killed in the first few years.

Team with good O lines, a good running game, and slightly above mediocre QB's can be competitive and even win a Super Bowl.

Why would Pace/Nagy tank mightily when they are clearly in a situation of win this next year or they are done? That makes no sense.

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If I were the Bears, my strategy would be to trade down in the draft as much as possible to accumulate picks for 2021 and 2022.

This year, I would concentrate on rebuilding the OL and defensive front seven as much as possible and tanking the season to obtain a top 3 draft pick that I would use either to draft a QB or trade for additional picks.

The Bears are facing a crisis of talent across the roster, and it won't be solved with shitty veteran or rookie free agent signings. They need to amass draft picks and use them wisely. That's part of the reason why Pace should have been fired a year ago.

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Correct. The Bears should tank in 2021 but will instead assemble yet another patchwork roster good enough to win 6-8 games and possibly save the Pace-Nagy regime for another year. Their retention spells long-term disaster for Bears fans.

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Good luck with that.

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