apparently a 2nd is what it would cost to get darnold. he's still only 23

a second is what they want. They will take less, especially after the draft when they have their new QB and other teams do as well.

Personally, I loved Darnold coming out of college but he is busted enough to not warrant more than a 3 or 4th rounder. I look at it from our perspective: would we have accepted a 3rd for Mitch?

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If all it takes is a 2nd to get Darnold, I believe the Bears should definitely give that a try.

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would need to do a vision test to confirm he still isnt seeing ghosts

Cardinals got a 2nd for Rosen in a similar situation with Rosen being a worse prospect and having less NFL production. Darnold's going for a 2nd or a 3rd+

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all it takes is one fool and Pace loves to overpay

Darnold is trending the wrong way, has one year of control left, and has some pretty bad stats on his sheet.

He's a tough risk to take because if he plays well, you are stuck either letting him walk or paying him well for limited production.

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Agreed. I know the O-line was awful in NY but his accuracy appears to be a major concern. I really don't see how he is more likely to succeed than Mitch.

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I wonder why teams that have no capability of protecting a quarterback even waste their time prioritizing a QB in the draft. There are legions of QB's drafted into the league in somewhat high draft spots that are doomed to fail simply because they are playing for teams not prepared to protect them. Sam Darnold may have been a fine QB right out of the gate had he had some protection, and he may still be, but when you get your brains scrambled for multiple years it does long-term damage to a lot of QB's. Some obviously overcome that, but some don't. I know its a while back but I think back on David Carr. He is a punchline now, but had he been drafted into a different situation where he wasn't getting sacked 50+times a year, who knows? He was no piece of shit QB, he was a victim of his situation. Same for a lot of others. If you are rebuilding a winning team, the first instinct of "get a franchise QB" probably should be suppressed and replaced with first getting a capable offensive line to give your young QB a fighting chance. Certain high-end QB prospects you certainly have to go for (such as trevor lawrence), but borderline first-round pick QB's would probably best be left alone unless you have the tools he needs to succeed.

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I wonder why some people think that all good -or just starting O-linemen- have to be 1st round picks.


The answer to your question is very simple. QB is the single most important position in sports, and good ones don’t come along nearly as often as good O-linemen (who you can get later in the draft).. so you prioritize that position earlier rather than later.


I hope this clears things up.

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And no, it’s not an ‘opinion’ that there will be more linemen in the NFL draft than QB’s. That’s a fact. You will get more swings in any given draft at O-lineman than at QB’s -there’s only so many of them.


How many O-lineman do you think will be in this draft JBills? 50? 60?..100?


Now how many QB’s..? 15, 20?

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And I’ve been meaning to do look into this but if someone else wants to feel free..


How many starting O-lineman in the NFL were selected in the 1st round.. how many starting QB’s are 1st rounders..?


The comparison would probably have to be done by % to prove my point but I’d be willing to bet that there are more 2nd round and later starting O-lineman in the NFL by percentage than starting QB’s.


I could be wrong, but I’m not sure as I haven’t done the research yet. I’m not sure an easy data base has even been put together for this sort of thing so I may have to go thru each roster and player individually and record it myself to figure it out.. and.. ain’t nobody got time fo dat lol


FavreFan, any help here? You seem to keep track of metrics and such. Or am I going to have to do some homework?

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I didn’t say anything about reaching on first round picks for o linemen. I don’t care what round they come from. Just make sure you have five capable guys who can protect your qb investment. Otherwise, you’ll be setting whomever it is up to fail.

Edit, double

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No, but in your opening salvo you did say you didn’t understand why teams prioritize the QB position when they don’t have an O-line in a thread we’re talking about drafting/fixing the QB position in.


When you use the term ‘prioritize’, I don’t assume you mean taking a QB in later rounds. It’s implied, draft wise, with that language that a team is going to be drafting a QB very high -and in that situation, you wouldn’t understand why.


Now I realize you don’t just mean in the draft, but saying you don’t understand putting a premium on the most important position in sports simply because another area of your team is inadequate demonstrates a lack of awareness in situational availability that I used the draft to make an example with.


Point: a team can justify prioritizing the QB position early in the draft when their O-line is terrible because there’s only a finite amount of players available at one position Vs the other (I made this point more clearly in my above response to JBills).. while still being able to address the other area of need later because there’s a much larger pool of talent available to choose from.


Priority is dictated by amount available in this situation.


It’s math, really. If you only have 20 QB’s to choose from in an upcoming draft Vs over 100 offensive lineman, and you have needs in both areas, it stands to reason that the position with less availability should come 1st in the order of selection -especially when the number of the most talented of that group is considerably smaller than the overall number.

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Remember reading one GM saying that you should only draft guys, "within 10 feet of the QB with high first round picks" makes sense because controlling the line of scrimmage is still the key to winning at any level of football.

There will always be a handful of plays in every game where you leave your tackles one on one against edge rushes who are usually the highest paid guys on the opposing defense, if your guys can give your QB that extra second he needs to allow a route to develop you make those game changing plays.

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I just wish the Bears would have hired Ballard. I hate them.

I cannot run a fantasy team, so there is no way I could ever make real personnel decisions. But if I had any influence on building an NFL team, it seems to me that a great offensive line is the cheapest and most enduring way to win football games.

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The one thing you can count on from the Bears is that they consistently make the wrong coach/GM hire.

This type of ongoing failure would get you launched anywhere, anywhere that is except within the classic mom and pop business knows as the Chicago Bears where the kids, grandkids, cousins, and the assorted yes men/women will always have jobs for life irregardless of how spectacularly they fail at their jobs.

So.. this ‘GM’ would pass on drafting Patrick Mahomes for David Bakhtiari..?




I’d also like to note that David.. is a 4th round pick.



So I disagree with this ‘GM’. I fully acknowledge that a good O-line/D-line is needed to succeed (this point was recently illustrated with an exclamation point a few weeks ago in the Super Bowl) -but I also understand that QB is the single most important position in all of sports, and that good O-lineman can be found later on in the NFL draft while the odds of finding a good/great QB lower much more dramatically than the odds for quality O-lineman the further in the draft you go. The Tom Brady’s of the universe are the exception, not the rule.. while the David Bakhtiari’s remain more common.


In theory you can fix both positions in the same draft, but your odds of fixing both at the same time shift wildly depending on the order you address each problem.

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The great Colts management that just traded for Wentz?

Reich had success with Wentz. They are in good shape cap-wise and have a good o-line. Won't be shocked if he had a good year.

Polecat, would you rather have Pace then Ballard?

Very important point.

If given more time to decide by his O-line, I think that Wentz will improve a lot in 2021.

The Bears don't have that good of a line presently.

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Unless something has radically changed the QB is still within ten feet of the QB? I think the argument was basically not to waste high draft picks on DB's, WR's, or TE's, concentrate on building the lines with high level talent and you can find skill position players later.

You could look at the Bears Eagles playoff game from a few years ago where Jason Peters handles Mack one on one and gave a journeyman QB enough time to hit a few passes and beat the Bears. That same Eagles line allowed Philly to win a championship with Nick Foles at QB. Then you could go to this year where OL injuries allowed Tampa's D to chase Mahomes all over the field, neutralizing the Chiefs vaunted offense.

I wish they would have as well.

The building thru offensive and defensive line approach I think is a sound model for long term success.

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Rumor is Ballard didn't get the Bears job because when he was a scout with the Bears he wasn't an ass kisser to the likes of Teddy and George.

Not drafting a bum QB with the second pick in the draft would also have been a sound model for long term success, but here we are.