No matter how inept you feel the Bears have been for however long you have thought that you forget one thing in the NFL draft reality. Luck. Eventually a team falls ass first into a legend. Hope it is this time.

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Where is this mythical Quarterback University?

That's the laziest argument going. I heard it on WSCR at least 3 times driving in.

I couldn't think of one off the top of my head. So a quick Google search comes up with.......Purdue. Here's their argument.

Notable QBs: Drew Brees, Scott Campbell, Len Dawson, Jim Everett, Jeff George, Bob Griese, Mark Hermann, Kyle Orton, Gary Danielson and Mike Phipps

Mike Phipps in the argument. Jeff George only played there like 1 year.

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First strength listed is his arm.

Rube is an idiot

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Bowen does all that but does not have a foot speed rating on him?

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Now this I get. And I even agree to an extent as well. I’m worried about the people developing him tho, not spotting/evaluating his talent.

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It's not really about one specific university being good or bad at developing quarterbacks. It's about a quarterback who spends their entire career playing on easy mode with elite skill players who will be starters in the NFL playing against guys who are hoping to play their way into a practice squad. Notre Dame, OSU, USC, LSU, Alabama, Florida.

I do think those schools have improved their qb development programs though to make up for it.

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you can make arguments against any pick with stuff like this. One of the knocks on Mahomes was he came from Texas Tech. What good QBs come from there and their gadget passing game, yadda yadda.

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Yeah I’m with you Doc. It’s ridiculous. Like I said a few posts back Texas Tech couldn’t produce QB’s either.. then Mahomes happened (the same knock was used against Mahomes prior to the draft btw).


It’s lazy. Nothing more. It also ignores the fact that Fields played in a different system with a different HC than the others too.

My all time favorite is ‘but he was surrounded by NFL talent!!’

lol

Cool, then it shouldn’t be a problem because.. he’ll be surrounded by ‘NFL talent’ in.. the NFL


Is what it is

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i'm excited. im also nervous as he's far from a lock. but i'd rather gamble on fields than wilson or lance. the bears only had to give up 1 extra first and not 2 to get him.

the thing that makes me most nervous is the coaching staff. i fully expect them to do jalen hurts things by giving fields a few snaps a game early in the season instead of just turning over the keys to him game 1 like they should.

Yep. Rodgers came from a ‘gimmick’ offense in Cal too.. this type of analysis is plug and play for people that don’t want to read articles and watch tape/videos to see what the actual differences are.

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also worth noting i heard a sound clip from louis riddick last night on ESPN heavily implying that matt nagy made this pick. implying nagy had fields ranked highly. then finally he made comments implying that he had spoken to nagy and nagy had indicated he had the 2017 QB class ranked appropriately.

In most cases, the elite quarterbacks in the NFL didn't come from traditional powers. Brady, who is the exception to pretty much every rule in terms of draft strategy, is a lone exception.

Take a look at this list. https://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/the_25_best_quarterbacks_of_the_2010s/s1__29728982#slide_12

QBs from traditional powers:
Brady
Carson Palmer
Cam Newton maybe.
A case could be made for Russell Wilson.
Deshaun Watson though he seems to be as much of the reason that Clemson became a traditional power.

So of the 25 on the list, you have 5 of them at best if we stretch the definition on a traditional power to include Wisconsin and Auburn.

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This list doesn’t tell the whole story tho.. 1st of all you have to include power house conferences too (Peyton Manning shows up on the list when you do that for example).

You also have to consider there were many cases over the years where certain power schools (like Nebraska back in the day) didn’t place emphasis in recruitment of a future NFL prototype QB because the system they ran so they targeted players that fit into their system, rather than change their system to fit a future NFL QB -Tommy Frazier (and Tebow more recently) are good examples of this.


There’s so much more that goes into college teams going after highly touted NFL style QB’s historically than simply using a chart to show which teams produced which guys. Charts like this don’t provide that context.

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BRick, I could also point out trends offensively that made the differences between the NFL and College vastly different for decades, as well as rule changes to enhance offense/passing that have changed over the years recently which changes this conversation too.


There’s far more cross pollination between NFL and College offenses now from a scheming perspective that makes the transition from college QB to NFL QB much easier than ever before.

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No you don't, or it's a meaningless list if you are including all power 5 schools. The P5 has a significant amount of talent disparity even among the good teams. It's not the same being the qb at Texas Tech as it is being the qb at Alabama.

That's true but it's also why Nebraska quarterbacks could be Heisman finalists and have to switch positions to have a shot at the NFL.


I only used the list to make it easier to have a starting point on quarterbacks that succeeded in the decade of the 10s, but it is a pretty big deal that of the true traditional powers in college football, you only have for certain Tom Brady and Carson Palmer as successful quarterbacks.

It doesn't mean that OSU quarterbacks can't ever be good in the NFL but it's a solid consideration with valid reasoning behind it about players who play on easy mode for most of their college career.

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You could, but it still doesn't change the fact that if you take what is considered a traditional college football powerhouse you don't find many quarterbacks who had great success from them.

That may be changing though.

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I have no idea if this guy is any good but after listening to a bunch of analysys on the pick I havent heard anyone talk negative about the pick other than on here. I think there was more negative on Peyton Manning than on Fields and I dont think this guy will be Peyton Manning. It just doesnt seem right to me.

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It is changing, and it’s changing for reasons I mentioned above.


And again, that list is pretty much useless because it lacks context. That list doesn’t tell you that Tommy Frazier (for example) was recruited by Nebraska (a traditional powerhouse school back then) simply because he fit their system. No one thought he’d be Joe Montana at the next level tho.


It also doesn’t seem to account for ‘traditional powerhouse schools’ changing every once in a while. I mean, Clemson was never considered a ‘traditional powerhouse’ till the last few years. Bama decades ago was, but wasn’t shit again till Saban showed up.

It also doesn’t seem to want to include the ‘powerhouse conference’ as a whole which shows top tier talented QB’s having to compete routinely against these factory schools.

I’m sorry, but that list was put together by someone who set out to make a certain point and so they tailored the subject matter as much as they could leaving out any context so they could draw their preconceived conclusion that ‘good QB’s mostly don’t come from big schools’.


It’s nonsense.

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The bottom line is that you have to be able to read the damn defense. You can not have your coach doing it for you at this level. The only success I have seen with that was with Goff and even that wore out quickly and they dumped him eventually. Let's look at what he did at OSU. He played behind an elite offensive line where he was sacked an astonishing amount of times, had elite wr talent, played a shit sandwich conference and played in an offense that required him to make very few reads. One of his biggest knocks was throwing a poorly timed deep ball. You can get away with that shit in college but you are not getting away with underthrowing a deep ball and making the wr wait for it. That will get picked every time.

If you were going to burn this years and next years 1st rd picks and then blow 10 mil on Dalton why the hell wouldn't you just trade for stafford? Congrats on drafting a guy who looks to be a clone of mitch. Oh and Ian Book torched the shit out of Clemson too this year.

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I don't know what you mean by context here. You are correct that Nebraska quarterbacks weren't a good choice to draft. That helps my point.

Strange to use the Clemson example when I considered them a powerhouse in my list.

The discussion isn't "Should you draft a P5 QB?". It's should you draft a quarterback from a traditional power. It's not context to completely change the entire discussion.

I provided a list that was decent enough of the top 25 quarterbacks of the 2010s. Only two clearly come from traditional powers. 3 others are borderline but you have to include Wisconsin and Auburn in there.

Your counterpoint to pointing out that of the 25 best quarterbacks of the 2010s, only 2-5 of them came from traditional powers, is to repeat "context" a bunch of times and say I'm wrong.

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Not locking up Golladay just seems criminal right now. There was no need to waste money in Dalton when you already were wasting money on Foles. Rookie/Young quarterbacks need protection and elite players around them to help them be successful. Having Hunt, Hill, Kelce and a quality offensive line helped Mahomes develop. Fields isn't walking into the same disaster as (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky, but it's not close to Mahomes situation either.

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Yeah the Dalton signing is baffling. THere is no need to sign him when you still have Foles around. He can serve the same purpose. That money should have been invested in the OL or WR

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I don't put a lot of weight on his sacks. He had over 200 carries in the RPO motion so I'd like to see the sacks vs. TFL statistics because even a lousy pump fake and run is a sack if I understand the stat.

A lot of those sacks were likely run-first plays that didn't develop.

But, even if the sack number is still high and I saw him hold the ball too long at times, that can be cleaned up.

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Is this a good pick? I'm legitimately asking. I really distanced myself later in the year from the Bears, and I don't really follow college sports at all. I don't care about the Bears QB history or the trade. I just want to know if this is a good draft pick. MANY of you here follow college FB and the NFL overall a lot closer than I do, so I appreciate the insight.

TIA

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I think the consensus has to be it is a good pick. YOu get the guy who for most of the year was considered the #2 player in the draft. And you get him outside of the top 10.

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I can't believe Belechik took Mac Jones. Last good Alabama QB was Stabler. And what's with the Bengals and Burrow? Did JaMarcus Russell not teach them anything?

Pace was playing chess while the other GMs were playing checkers. He fooled them into thinking he was set with Dalton.

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For what seems like a reasonable price.

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What issue do you have with Burrow?

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