This is awesome


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_NFlvc6AfB0

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Smart move by Tony to pull him after 5 and only 80 pitches so that he can go on short rest vs Cleveland and bury the tribe.

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

reminds me of the guys from the 2005 team

This is why Dunning was not an overpay. They needed a guy who was going to be in the Cy Young discussion from Day 1, not a competent starter for six years. No one would go into a playoff game facing Dunning this year thinking they were overmatched

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You seem sure the White Sox are going to the WS this year. If they do, then you are right. If they don't and Lynn moves on, then you're wrong. This is how this trade will be judged. Simply. And this is with Lynn begrudgingly becoming my favorite pitcher in all of MLB.

2021 fWAR

Dane Dunning 1.4
Lance Lynn 1.7

You traded SIX years of cost controlled Dunning for 1 year of Lynn and SLIGHTLY better performance. If Dunning keeps it up, it will be total rape of the Sox by the Rangers.


(just facts, I'll wait for the board lunatic to reply with "Fucking genius")

Even more facts;
2021 Dunning; 2-4, 4.26 ERA, 57IP, 60H, 19BB, 61K, 1.386 WHIP, 1.0 WAR
2021 Lynn; 7-1, 1.23 ERA, 58.2 IP, 37H, 17BB, 63K, 0.92 WHIP, 2.2 WAR

"SLIGHTLY better" would not be the correct phrase to use in describing those two performances thus far.

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You used BR's WAR which is less favorable to Dunning, but Fangraphs WAR has them much closer. I doubt Dunning is going to have a 350 BAPIP on him all year.

I think that's wrong though. Lynn was the right move whether they win this year or not. The move was made to win even if it doesn't work out. And the downside is low. There isn't real a place for Dunning (or Lynn) after this season. The rotation next year is going to feature Kopech and Crochet.

I don't think we can slam the Sox for being cheap and also slam them when they make the move that isn't cheap. I'm 57 years old. I've lost a season and a half to COVID and at least five to tanking. I don't want any more seasons thrown away.

I was just arguing with a Cub fan friend who wants the Cubs to lose so they will trade away assets. This might be their best chance to win a World Series in the next ten years. Maybe it isn't, but I don't get 60 year old guys begging their team to tank seasons.

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I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

More facts;
Dunning hasn't won a game in a month, and has only pitched past the 5th inning twice.
Lynn has five wins over the last month, and has pitched past the 5th inning in six of his ten starts.


rApEd!!!

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I wonder if Dunning winning less games has to do with the fact he plays on a team that is less good?

You said Lynn was "slightly better" using a cherry picked advanced metric. Dunning is significantly worse than Lynn in ERA, WHIP, WAR, and hits allowed. None of that has to do with the team he plays for.

You're less good.

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Worth noting 1 of those games Lynn didn't go past the 5th was due to the fact they were going to put him on short rest for his next start to keep the rotation intact after a double header. He was cruising in that start and only at 80 pitches.

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Dunning is better in FIP and xFIP while appears to have been very unlucky a 350 BAPIP juxtaposed with Lynn who has seemingly been pretty lucky with a .215 BAPIP. Lynn has had the better season but it's alot closer if you dig deeper. Barring Dunning tearing his shoulder to shreds, this could be a very bad trade if Lynn walks after this year.

Its not close. At all.

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RIP Bob

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They are also striking the same amount of guys per 9 innings while Dunning is giving up less home runs per 9 innings, you don't want to dig deeper because it will suck when you see that Dunning is locked in on the cheap for the next 6 years while Lynn will walk when Jerry doesn't wanna pay.

One of the reasons his team is less good is because he is pitching for it rather than Lance Lynn.

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I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Lynn is better than Dunning this year. Signing Bauer would have been better is all.

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There is no reason to dig deeper. Even with your cherry picked advanced metric, Lynn is better. You want to hang your hat on a guy with a 4+ ERA and a 1.36 WHIP. That is "slightly" better than Arrieta. Lynn's career K/9 is 9.0, so he is doing what he has done K wise through his career. Lynn with his 1.23 ERA and 0.92 WHIP is having a significantly better season. A far superior season thus far. Their contracts or team control has nothing to do with that.

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If he were a better pitcher he would win more games.

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It's only wrong if you've decided Dunning is run of the mill. So next year, without a 2021 WS appearance(they don't have to win it, the trade is worth it even without a parade), and without Lynn, is Cease, Gioilto, Kopech, Crochet, and Keuchel. That's 3 five and fly guys. No, that's not good enough. Whatever Lynn wants, give it to him.

Or it could be that Lynn has five wins over the last month because in those six starts he gave up a total of 3 earned runs (0, 0, 2, 0, 0, and 1) while covering 34 innings. And as Ogie pointed out, this could easily be 36 or 37 innings.

Meanwhile Dunning, who hasn't had a win since May 9, gave up a total of 17 earned runs (2, 2, 4, 7, 0, and 2) while covering 28.2 innings.



I hope Dunning has a nice career and wins a shit ton of games, except when he goes against the Sox. He seemed like a great kid and fought thru an injury to get to the bigs. The only one getting raped in this thread is Bob. If nothing else, he's used to it at this point.

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I think it's obvious Dunning is run of the mill. Also, at some point you have to believe in the guys you're drafting and give them a chance. I would start next season like you said- Giolito-Keuchel-Kopech-Cease-Crochet and you can make an in-season move for the best pitcher available if you need to.

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Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

I'm not going to get back into the argument about all the reasons Dunning will be good vs he only throws 93. Maybe he should start gluing his fingers to the seams.

The Texas Rangers are on pace to win the same amount of games in 2021 as 2020 despite trading for a worse pitcher. Weird...

Considering the 2021 season is 102 games longer I'm not surprised.

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Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

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I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

The 2021 White Sox have already won more games than they did all of last year! Including the playoffs!!

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Sounds like the diphit stats that said Quintana was actually really good.