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I always thought that Mitchs biggest problem was that he's a moron. I mean a super low IQ kind of guy. Is that wrong?

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In charge of Fields development are Andy Reid's caddy and two guys who were previously fired by bad teams (Bengals and Jags) for being bad at their jobs...What could go wrong?

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I always thought that Mitchs biggest problem was that he's a moron. I mean a super low IQ kind of guy. Is that wrong?

He scored pretty well on the Wonderlic so he isn't a moron but something isn't right with him. Supposedly he had a lot of trouble calling the mike and they had to simplify the playbook for him. His brain might not process fast enough but having trouble with the mike is strange.


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I think he's tougher and smarter than Mitch or Jay, I think he'll be solid not great. A slightly better Winston.

Well yeah a doorknob is smarter than Mitch. I think Jay was pretty clever, just way too aggressive and impulsive.


I don't think Jay could read a D

Well for what its worth that concern was why Justin Fields was the fourth quarterback off the board instead of the second.


I have more faith in Fields as a leader than Jay or Mitch and I think he'll be a better QB than both.. He was never going 2nd, I think Haskins hurt his stock a bit too.

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Darkside wrote:
I always thought that Mitchs biggest problem was that he's a moron. I mean a super low IQ kind of guy. Is that wrong?


Yup, dumb and inaccurate

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I always thought that Mitchs biggest problem was that he's a moron. I mean a super low IQ kind of guy. Is that wrong?

He scored pretty well on the Wonderlic so he isn't a moron but something isn't right with him. Supposedly he had a lot of trouble calling the mike and they had to simplify the playbook for him. His brain might not process fast enough but having trouble with the mike is strange.


It went beyond that, he almost always made the wrong decision, couldn't read the DE/OLB on the RPO run plays, never got to second or third reads, and there were likely many times where both he and Miller either didn't know the play or executed poorly.

Nagy seemed to have failed spectacularly when it came to installing his offense, coaching up the players, holding players accountable, and most damningly not understanding how to call plays that best utilized the talent he had available at the time.


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Nagy's going to do his best to fuck this one up as well

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I always thought that Mitchs biggest problem was that he's a moron. I mean a super low IQ kind of guy. Is that wrong?

He scored pretty well on the Wonderlic so he isn't a moron but something isn't right with him. Supposedly he had a lot of trouble calling the mike and they had to simplify the playbook for him. His brain might not process fast enough but having trouble with the mike is strange.


It went beyond that, he almost always made the wrong decision, couldn't read the DE/OLB on the RPO run plays, never got to second or third reads, and there were likely many times where both he and Miller either didn't know the play or executed poorly.

Nagy seemed to have failed spectacularly when it came to installing his offense, coaching up the players, holding players accountable, and most damningly not understanding how to call plays that best utilized the talent he had available at the time.



Agreed, with that D all ya had to do was run the ball often, set up some play action for Mitch and mix in a few designed QB runs to gash a D 3 or 4 x a game. Nagy really is a stubborn moron.

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Nagy has mastered the art of saying the right thing. Yesterday he talked about all of his "failures" over the past 3 years and how much he's learned from them. I just want him to master DOING the right things that will help the Bears win a lot of games.

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A few things have become apparent about Nagy/Pace. They were both in over their heads early on, Nagy was incredibly lucky to have Fangio's D carry the team while Nagy flailed around calling/coordinating an offense that has consistently been near the bottom of the league. Pace got taken to school repeatedly by other GM's, falling in love with imaginary "ceilings" of guys he liked while ignoring some pretty low "floors" for guys with great athleticism, but limited production/experience at the collegiate level.

We have to hope that both guys have learned and developed enough to have reached at least competence in their positions. Nagy seems to have at least learned the value of playing starters in the pre season and Pace is finally making a few moves that actually make sense, getting rid of his hand picked guys who have underproduced.


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A few things have become apparent about Nagy/Pace. They were both in over their heads early on, Nagy was incredibly lucky to have Fangio's D carry the team while Nagy flailed around calling/coordinating an offense that has consistently been near the bottom of the league. Pace got taken to school repeatedly by other GM's, falling in love with imaginary "ceilings" of guys he liked while ignoring some pretty low "floors" for guys with great athleticism, but limited production/experience at the collegiate level.

We have to hope that both guys have learned and developed enough to have reached at least competence in their positions. Nagy seems to have at least learned the value of playing starters in the pre season and Pace is finally making a few moves that actually make sense, getting rid of his hand picked guys who have underproduced.




I don’t think anything has changed with either Pace or Nagy. I mean, letting Kyle Fuller walk when they could have cut a different player was dumb as hell (for example), but also typical Ryan Pace. Essentially you traded Fuller for Jimmy Graham. Will be hilarious but also so Pace if they wind up cutting Graham during pre-season.


As for Nagy, his play calling isn’t going to change. It could be made to look better tho with Fields just being that good. But his forgetting about the run, killing his drives momentum after big plays, and head scratching situational play calls will all still exist.

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A few things have become apparent about Nagy/Pace. They were both in over their heads early on, Nagy was incredibly lucky to have Fangio's D carry the team while Nagy flailed around calling/coordinating an offense that has consistently been near the bottom of the league. Pace got taken to school repeatedly by other GM's, falling in love with imaginary "ceilings" of guys he liked while ignoring some pretty low "floors" for guys with great athleticism, but limited production/experience at the collegiate level.

We have to hope that both guys have learned and developed enough to have reached at least competence in their positions. Nagy seems to have at least learned the value of playing starters in the pre season and Pace is finally making a few moves that actually make sense, getting rid of his hand picked guys who have underproduced.




I don’t think anything has changed with either Pace or Nagy. I mean, letting Kyle Fuller walk when they could have cut a different player was dumb as hell (for example), but also typical Ryan Pace. Essentially you traded Fuller for Jimmy Graham. Will be hilarious but also so Pace if they wind up cutting Graham during pre-season.


As for Nagy, his play calling isn’t going to change. It could be made to look better tho with Fields just being that good. But his forgetting about the run, killing his drives momentum after big plays, and head scratching situational play calls will all still exist.

I agree with both of you. This was the first off-season where Pace actually appeared to make **some** sensible decisions, but man.....he's been at this a long time. There is zero excuse for having to learn on the job for an NFL GM.

Nagy.....I have seen absolutely nothing from him in terms of growth. He's a coach that thinks he can out-scheme any other coach regardless of who is on the roster. He speaks well and yuk's it up nicely with the media, but as a coach on the field, he still looks way over his head. The defense will continue to decline and carry his poor offense less and less. I like Fields as a pick, but have little confidence Nagy is someone who can develop him. I'd love nothing better than for Nagy to prove me wrong.

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There's a QB expert that does a weekly hit on the Schlereth show in Denver. They asked him if they should take a flyer on (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky and he said no. They asked him what he thought about him coming out and he said there were 2 QBs he was unsure about that draft Mahomes and (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky. He was at the draft and he asked Gruden (who was doing the draft for ESPN) what he thought about them. Gruden told him Andy's taking Mahomes...he thinks he's Brett Favre. And (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky? He's going to get somebody fired.


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There's a QB expert that does a weekly hit on the Schlereth show in Denver. They asked him if they should take a flyer on (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky and he said no. They asked him what he thought about him coming out and he said there were 2 QBs he was unsure about that draft Mahomes and (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky. He was at the draft and he asked Gruden (who was doing the draft for ESPN) what he thought about them. Gruden told him Andy's taking Mahomes...he thinks he's Brett Favre. And (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky? He's going to get somebody fired.


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I believe in this. It's not even a hope.

I'm not going to allow the Cutler/(Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky excuses that the team around him needs to be better. Sure, the team might end up great but he will be an obviously great QB.

So, this is kind of it for me. I'm Neo. I'm Obi Wan. I'm Linus.


you have been saying this since eric kramer was a starter

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I'm also aware he may be held up by Nagy from starting well into this year.


realistically you dont start him at all. but it's 2021, it's the bears, YOU HAVE ANDY FUCKING DALTON. fuck it. start fields. game one. it will be an immediate return on investment. good or bad, doesnt matter. eyeballs.

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There's a QB expert that does a weekly hit on the Schlereth show in Denver. They asked him if they should take a flyer on (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky and he said no. They asked him what he thought about him coming out and he said there were 2 QBs he was unsure about that draft Mahomes and (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky. He was at the draft and he asked Gruden (who was doing the draft for ESPN) what he thought about them. Gruden told him Andy's taking Mahomes...he thinks he's Brett Favre. And (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky? He's going to get somebody fired.
That (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky anecdote makes Gruden look dumb. (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky had a good win-loss record and he got to be the scapegoat saving the jobs of the coach and GM.

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(Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky had a good win-loss record and he got to be the scapegoat saving the jobs of the coach and GM.
Rex Grossman had a better win% as a starter.

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(Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky had a good win-loss record and he got to be the scapegoat saving the jobs of the coach and GM.
Rex Grossman had a better win% as a starter.

Yeah, and Lovie didn't get fired because of Rex either.

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Yea I can envision Bears playcalls in my head before the snap too. Clearly so can opposing defenders. Not impressed, Justin.

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He will probably be great then blow out his knee before the season ends.

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I always thought that Mitchs biggest problem was that he's a moron. I mean a super low IQ kind of guy. Is that wrong?

He scored pretty well on the Wonderlic so he isn't a moron but something isn't right with him. Supposedly he had a lot of trouble calling the mike and they had to simplify the playbook for him. His brain might not process fast enough but having trouble with the mike is strange.


maybe hes too smart? like, when under pressure he's consciously beside himself and has a hard time committing to quick decisions? we noticed at the end of nothing to lose games, thats when he was at his best. he stopped worrying about everything and got better. but the next game he starts hes constantly worried about doing the wrong thing.

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He will probably be great then blow out his knee before the season ends.


he has the mental attitude of a killer. probably will push until he breaks, but it will be fun to watch.

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it looked like 13fps. pretty fuckin rough

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