So if a basketball player who normally shoots 38% from the 3 point line goes 2/10 can we now call it a mental health issue?

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Now you're just "asking a question" again. Time to create a thread in Think Tank related to this sort of thing. It is really reaching an epidemic level with certain posters around here.

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It is not a mental health issue if a player who normally shoots 38% ends up shooting 20% for a specific day. No question mark there.

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Its not about simply having a bad performance. That is a part of sports. You know when a guy lacks confidence or suddenly starts playing the game in a way that is out of the ordinary for any athlete. For instance I spotted it in game 4 of that series with Atlanta with Simmons and posted about it. He was doing certain things which demonstrated that he wanted no part of the game or series. You could see it. Same with Knoblauch and Sax. Pippen's "migraine" headache game is another example.

Entertainers have been getting "stagefright" probably as long as there has been an entertainment industry. I think that is probably what happened to her the other night when she knew she couldn't perform at the level that she was accustomed to.

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I wonder how much of the GOAT stuff was not trying to be braggadocious but rather some kind of psychological motivation to overcome some of the doubts it appears she has had.

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We've trivialized mental issue to mean anything from not wanted to answer questions at a press conference to whatever Biles is claiming. She didn't perform well. That doesn't mean she's suffering from "mental health issues". These things shouldn't spring up suddenly whenever you don't feel like it.

It's embarrassing frankly that this selfish act is being celebrated. And it's another sign that a sense of country has been lost.

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And yet.

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Of course, but that's not a mental health issue. It's a player not playing well.

Biles is the best in the world at what she does. Tiger Woods was too. He played far below his normal level plenty of times. He would lose to people worse than him in most of the tournaments he played. Why with Biles when it happens for the first time is it suddenly a mental health issue?

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Woods also had a lot of mental and physical issues and he overcame them to win another Masters. It's not like he said, "Peace out," on the 5th hole during his second round at the US Open when he knew he would miss the cut.

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He has walked off of the course more than his fair share though and it was never when anything was going good for him.

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No Ben Simmons refused to take a shot in the 4th quarter of the last 4 games of the series because he lacked confidence. Lacking confidence is a "mental health issue"

Biles may never come back from this. If she doesn't then it is a little more than just having a "bad day". Knoblauch never recovered and neither did Sax. Neither was ever the same player again.

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He certainly did. And I'm no Tiger fan as you know. I don't believe he ever WD during the middle of a Major though outside of legit injury.



Ben Simmons has never played past the 2nd round of the NBA Playoffs. Simone Biles has been to the top of the mountain and won Gold before. She knew what it takes.

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That I don't recall, but I don't think every time he walked off he was always injured.


Edit, sorry I don't know what the Simmons reference is.

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That's fine but basically "playing badly" is now a mental health issue if you are normally better than that.

This was likely the end of her career no matter what happened. In fact, I would guess that is part of the issue here.

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I don't know if anyone faced more adversity than the 1976 US Women's Swim Team. The US press was calling them losers and ugly Americans when the East German behemoths were winning all the events. In the end they decided they weren't going to go out like that and kicked East Germany's ass in the final event. It might be the biggest upset in olympic history considering what the East Germans were doing with their doping program.

Poor Shirley Babashoff. Ender and Thümer probably had cocks the size of John Holmes's swinging between their legs.

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I always remember the stories of oddly growing hair and all kinds of acne breakouts. And then the Stasi files on them were made public.

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This is a generalization and a terrible one at that seeing as there haven't been a great number of athletes that have used it as a reason over the years



Then you accept that it might be a mental issue

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I distinctly remember watching that race. If I pull it up on Youtube right now I'm sure it will still make the hair on my neck stand up. It was the height of the Cold War. Those German broads looked like the Canseco brothers.

I don't give a shit about Biles. But here's why I think it's different than Tiger Woods or Osaka or Ben Simmons or whoever. And not even just about just how her teammates feel. They're competing for their country. The Olympics are a stand in for war. I'd say quitting is closer to a soldier leaving his post than to a NBA player refusing to take the court. But that's just my opinion. I'm a Cold War kid.

Now I'm gonna go watch that race. Maybe I'll watch the end of the Miracle on Ice too.

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Not just for athletes. When I lived in the the UK, colleagues in the UK and Netherlands offices would routinely take days off because of mental health issues. I always thought it was because they were hung over...

The East German swimmers had no choice so they were victims too...it was basically you take this or your parents lose their jobs and they won't find work again.

As JORR said poor Shirley Babashoff. She was going to at least equal Spitz and instead was cheated and she had to take it because nobody was doing anything about it. Plus she was being attacked by the press. It was disgraceful.

There was a really good documentary about it on Amazon Prime called The Last Gold but it looks like they pulled it down for some reason. I see its posted on youtube. I found it riveting and well done if anyone is interested.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_J6EJNSNKjw&t=4084s

A hilarious name dropping from the '70's.

I feel that way a lot less than I used to. But between the steroids, professional involvement and increasing disdain for these "amateur" governing bodies I've lost a lot of the feeling. Plus I despise games and events on 14 hour delays.

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I think I may have seen that or at least another documentary like it. It's true that the East German girls were victims. What happened to them was actually worse than Babashoff finishing second all those times. I think even Babashoff herself can see that in retrospect. But as a twenty year old kid she had a right to be salty. Fuck those commie science projects.

When I watched Ender beat her I felt the same way as I did when Arrogate beat California Chrome. Except it didn't cost me any money.

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"Mental health issue" can mean anything...fear of losing sponsors, embarrassment, fear of injury, lack of the "killer instinct," sadness that career is ending, etc., which is why it shouldn't be generalized.

Not to dive deeply into the abortion debate, but that has been a major sticking point of the "life of the mother in danger" exception. It was extended to "health of the mother in danger" and then that was interpreted to include "mental health of the mother in danger," and that can be almost anything.

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Funny you say that. I've hated the Russians and then their satellite since Munich. And I didn't know much about basketball back then. But I got triggered anyway.

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Look at JORR complaining about Russian interference over here.

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Yep. There was no way they should of won that race. The East Germans were like 170+ with arms and shoulders some of the men wish they had. I think they smashed the world record by like 4 seconds which is crazy in swimming.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4dPLZko5wc

A 24 year old kid who may have been abused by Nassar and has been working to be the force behind cleaning up a national embarrassment deserves the benefit of the doubt from me until she doesn't.

But you didn't answer my two questions.

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Everyone has played on teams. The Olympics isn’t comparable to playing sports in school. She’s 24, and has been a richly rewarded public figure for a long time. Feeling pressure, which is what she said isn’t a mental health issue.

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