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Fields isn't ready to run the team yet and offensively, I think this looks like a 4 or 5 win team.

Were you 100% ready the first moment you found out you were a father? Maybe a bad analogy cuz everyone knows you've posted the W2s to show that you got your shit together, but right now I feel like he has more raw skills and fundamental instincts than Dalton plus the team (scrubs or otherwise) seems to come out and play like a different team when he's out there.

If Mitch had won us a playoff game or 2 and re-signed for 1-2yrs and was here then yeah the mahomes way could be way more palatable. Instead we're faced with having a backup QB in dalton who proved last year he can't do what Mitch did today and game manage to consistent victory, even in an offense way better than the bears you have an overpriced 3rd string QB in foles who got found out after the league got tapes of 2-3 weeks in this offense and once that happened your run game vanished cuz they knew foles couldn't beat you.... And then you have the kid.

Jacksonville is going with Trevor Lawrence. The jets are going with Wilson. 49ers prolly sit on.lsmce a bit too jimmy g gets hurt (great excuse to start the Trey Lance era) and the Patriots might go mwc in game 1 or give cam.newton a leash so short he manages to wear it fashionably in one of his extravagant postgake interview outfits.

Look at dak.or Russell Wilson or the chargers kid or deshaun or others who had the college pedigree came in to camp proved they were that dude and immediately got to work.... Why not fields? Considering you're franchise tagging a-ron + the defense (coaching playcalling and players) is declining pretty fast, so your realistic window might be this year before you gotta reload or rebuild and then it's like...man. are we watching the same games?

Justin Fields gives the bears the best chance to win right now. Period new paragraph </grobber> so what's the big downside?

Shit didn't Lamar start early too?


I cut skin trying to trim my daughter's nails, wiped her the wrong way and let her fall off a bed in her first 4 months of life. Regardless of the paycheck, I wasn't ready. Regardless of Fields natural talent, I believe that he needs to sit for a few weeks. His development is more important than an extra win or 2 this season.

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And to that, while I joked it was mitch 34 bears 6 @ HT it felt to me like Mitch was game managing. They didn't ask him to go out there and consistently chuck it 15-25+ yds downfield. They set him up with easy plays where guys were open and despite his C- at best accuracy he generally got the ball there to the tune of 20/28 ,~210yds 1 or 2 TD in that first half.

The stats look.great but watching the game Mitch was just calm and in control of running the plays being fed to him. Way way WAY more often than not those plays worked so Mitch would have an easy target generally right in front of him 5-12yds downfield so he made solid common sense throws and showed that he can be a quality backup for this bills team cuz if you give him the weapons and the plays he can do a job for you at QB.

Example = on his first TD on 2nd or 3rd and goal I saw the pre-snap shuffling of the WRS/,TES and it looked like 3 or 4 WR or maybe 3WR 1TE so he had 4/+ guys lined up tight around him. During the pre-snap shuffle told my dad (watching with me) "watch, one of these guys is going to get a step ahead of his defender and be open for Mitch right in the middle of the endzone" and sure enough #13 got that step/+ was clearly open and Mitch got the throw timing right, but the throw was on the trajectory to hit him right in the face if he didn't get his hands up and catch it for the "tuddy"

so while Mitch showed his chicago-famous lack of accuracy a fair amount of times, the bills put Mitch Iin.a situation where he mostly had easy 5-15yd throws to an open guy right in front of him (or even some post routs right by the sideline just past 1st downarker) and thus they l Mitchproofed it to where a pass that's a foot or two higher or wider than the hands/breadbasket target, it still got the job done way more often than not.

And then with that they could run the ball with ease, setting up effective PA situations and legit worrying that last year's defense decline is going to continue under this new and seemingly lesser DC than even Chuck Pagano with his "bend just enough to break your heart" defense

Mitch was a passenger today and you saw that in a top quality offense that knows how to evaluate a player and determine their strengths and weaknesses and create a game plan where they call quality plays that get receivers so open they're effectively mitchproofed, yeah, he might be capable of a matt Flynn game here and there.

Remember his ~280-320yd 4TD game against the redskins in 2018? He can be a game manager if you work within his limitations and have him do things he can do against crappy defenses or with the rare occasional great playcall to set it up for you. That said, odds are that Mitch will never rise up and pick a team up by their bootstraps and lead them to the promised land ... But if you recognize what he can and can't consistently do and play to those strengths and minimize those weaknesses, today is the best case example of Mitch being a quality game manager for you

Back in Chicago when you boasted that the playbook is finally fully open now that Nick foles is here and you're hellbent on Mitch developing accuracy 25+ yds downfield(which ironically led to an INT that got him benched in DET) he's very likely gonna fail. If your players aren't good enough to get themselves open on their own and thus your playcalling constantly requires you to make tight precision passes to covered receivers 15+yds downfield where natural/innate/intrinsic accuracy is needed.... Welp, that's Mitch's bears career in a nutshell.

The only reason he came back to lead the charge back to 8-8 and a one-n-done is cuz since you knew where foles would be on every play you could key off on the run and dare foles to beat you while your front 4 are providing enough pass rush to keep him anything less than comfortable. Mitch still could theoretically take off and run, and even tho his rushing #s in 19+20 COMBINED for less than the 400something he got in 2018, that was enough to.make teams respect his ability to break off a 15yd run like he did today and thus the running game opened up more, got better, got Mitch less nickel coverage and thus more easier targets on mediocre++ playcalling, and viva la 8-8 one and done run.

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I cut skin trying to trim my daughter's nails, wiped her the wrong way and let her fall off a bed in her first 4 months of life. Regardless of the paycheck, I wasn't ready. Regardless of Fields natural talent, I believe that he needs to sit for a few weeks. His development is more important than an extra win or 2 this season.

Can I ask what is he supposed to develop in those 1-2 weeks on the bench that he hasn't already seen in the first quarter last Saturday and the first half today? Yeah most teams aren't starting 100% of their game #1 starters in preseason, but short of maybe a few X's and O's technicalities l/wrinkles that.nagy has masterfully hid in preseason, what would watching Andy Dalton likely struggle to being mediocre at best do for him? Show him."this is what you need to.avoid?". Or "see how the pocket is collapsing and Andy can't find an open WR and is getting fidgety in the pocket and now is likely to take a sack or make a stupid desperate throw? You should run away from that pressure and try to make a play!"

Only thing I can think.of is claiming that proper NFL regular season games are notches up from preseason so maybe taking one in as a spectacle could learn him.something... but honestly, short of more studying the playbook and being on the sidelines to pick up the reasons for some situational playcalling, it's like this analogy I always use with training people.

Let's say I'm teaching you how to ride a bike. I can tell everything I know about riding a bike in a TLDR post for the ages or do weekly installments of you watching me ride a bike while my assistant explains to you what I'm doing and why. You're not really gonna learn how to properly ride a bike until you get your ass on the seat and ride. Same thing here. I've seen enough to know that there's enough admittedly raw potential here to where I think he gives the bears the best chance to win in week 1. Is there any doubt he's the best overall QB on the roster? Rather than let him.have a first row seat to see how us pro bike riders do our craft for 1-2 weeks why not get his ass on the seat and let him ride, ESPECIALLY if you're thinking in 1-3 weeks he's getting on that damn bike anyways.

Again if the bears had a proven legit deep playoff ,/ SB contending ,QB On the roster then you can claim an Alex Smith / mahomes situation will do him good. But when his veteran role models are a past his prime Andy Dalton and the reanimated corpse of big dick nick foles (supposedly the prototype of what nagy wants in a QB1) shit dude.. . Start him.off 0-0 instead of 0-2 and 1-3 and let him feel like he showed up balled and took HIS damn job from past it Dalton. It's not like he was a raw specimen like (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky... This guy played big-time football at Ohio state, even before the pandemic IIRC... So why keep the Corvette in the garage when it's a beautiful day outside and oh yeah you're not going to be invited to exclusive Corvette parties and gatherings ("playoffs?" - Jim.Mora) unless you get out on the road with that damn Corvette.

Oh that's right, Justin has never driven a Corvette before ; he's only driven a Ford mustang 5.0P V8 for the last few years. ,Maybe he needs to watch Andy drive the Corvette around the neighborhood for a few weeks to fully be prepared for the awesome responsibility of driving a Corvette on the highway?

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+1. And Miller needs to stop trying to keep up with him.

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+1. And Miller needs to stop trying to keep up with him.


At least he sort of got rid of the testicle goatee.

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Why is he even still on the field? Get Foles in there before he gets destroyed.


uh... what?


Game is over. He already took a massive shot and now landed weird on his hip. Let Foles be the punching bag for the rest of the game.


fucking christ the dude is 2nd string at best. you give him reps. you hope he gets humbled. he did. good. now he has an idea what hes dealing with. why is that bad.

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they can start fields game 1. it would not be crazy, the guy is that good. but at the same time, they could sit him for a full season and that would make sense too.

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Even if Dalton starts, I can see Nagy putting several plays in for Fields (like Hill on New Orleans last year).

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Even if Dalton starts, I can see Nagy putting several plays in for Fields (like Hill on New Orleans last year).


That's what I hate about Nagy the most. Gadget plays galore. Yuck. Either start him or don't


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they can start fields game 1. it would not be crazy, the guy is that good. but at the same time, they could sit him for a full season and that would make sense too.


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they can start fields game 1. it would not be crazy, the guy is that good. but at the same time, they could sit him for a full season and that would make sense too.


Fields is not ready to face elite defensive players yet. He hasn't even faced them in preseason yet. Look at what Peyton Manning did his first year and get back to me. That being said, it would be exciting if he started week 1


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I remember when the Bears fired Lovie because he wasn't good enough. Now they won't fire people because they are not bad enough.

Nagy is a con artist and Pace is a high functioning autistic.

Justin Fields is fucked. Maybe he's makes something out of a bad situation. If he does, he'll want to get of here as fast as possible.

In closing, Meathead Bear fans. Look at your history. Bear weather, despise domes, like defense better than offense. You are constantly two steps behind the curve. Only now you are looking for Mahomes.


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The team looked completely unprepared to play in any phase of the game. Nagy and Desai were outcoached.

Nagy still looks confused as a play caller, he does not even try to run the ball, defenses are then able to rush the passer without any fear. More disturbingly is that you rarely see NFL quality lineman get beat as consistently as the Bears LT and RT did, most are at least competent enough to anchor and absorb a bull rush, the Bears starting LT got absolutely trucked and pancaked a few times, physically beaten due to piss poor technique, that goes directly back to coaching and roster development.

We all saw how to defense Mitch, take away everything underneath and make him be accurate downfield, yet Desai did not make any adjustments? Maybe he is just hiding stuff, but there is a very real possibility that he is in over his head.

Do not understand why the ST coach is still here? That unit has underperformed and only looked ok last year because of Patterson.


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IkeSouth wrote:
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Why is he even still on the field? Get Foles in there before he gets destroyed.


uh... what?


Game is over. He already took a massive shot and now landed weird on his hip. Let Foles be the punching bag for the rest of the game.


fucking christ the dude is 2nd string at best. you give him reps. you hope he gets humbled. he did. good. now he has an idea what hes dealing with. why is that bad.


Fields is not 2nd string "at best". He's the 2nd string QB. Getting humbled is being picked off 3 times. Getting humbled is not getting your head knocked off in the 4th quarter of a preseason game because your team has a patchwork offensive line. I have no doubt Fields knows "what he's dealing with" before he steps on the field. That's a meatball Bears take if I've ever read one. Unless you can't wait to see Foles regular season.


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Its preseason.


:lol:

And only the second game - most guys on the field will go back to the XFL or whatever in a few weeks. I'd rather watch the pet olympics than the second preseason game. Wake me up for the first half of the third game, then let me go back to sleep until the opening reg season game.

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feels like a 5 win season, which means they'll be good

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feels like a 5 win season, which means they'll be good
I don't understand this line of thinking.

They were 8-8 last year, with terrible QB play and a ton of injuries. It would see that even the glass half empty thoughts would be that they should be at least an 8 win team again this season.

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feels like a 5 win season, which means they'll be good
I don't understand this line of thinking.

They were 8-8 last year, with terrible QB play and a ton of injuries. It would see that even the glass half empty thoughts would be that they should be at least an 8 win team again this season.


Assuming the D is still at the same level. They were good last year until maybe game 12 or something by which time they regressed to mediocre for some reason. i may be off in my dates.

I can see 5 games because they still haven't solved their WR problems and I'm not sure what you have in Montgomery. Seems like nothing. Oh, and the O-line of course.

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Preseason, but the defense just let a Trubiski led Bills squad push their shit in for 30 points in a half.


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Were those issues solved in the offseason?

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It's not just the offensive line. If it were just that, I would believe that a little health at the tackle positions could make a huge difference. The defense worries me the most. Jaylon Johnson isn't ready to be a #1 corner and it looks like Jackson, Mack and Quinn will steal more than $60M this season. The defense can't overcome that. The Bears also don't have the coaching or offensive talent to win a lot of 37-33 games.

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It's not just the offensive line. If it were just that, I would believe that a little health at the tackle positions could make a huge difference. The defense worries me the most. Jaylon Johnson isn't ready to be a #1 corner and it looks like Jackson, Mack and Quinn will steal more than $60M this season. The defense can't overcome that. The Bears also don't have the coaching or offensive talent to win a lot of 37-33 games.

bad O-Line, WR's who get zero separation...and then the D is on the field all game and it wears on them. This could be a really tough season.

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Nice breakdown of everything that went wrong on play Fields almost got his head taken off.


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you could cut and replace Fields' name in that tweet with practically all Bears quarterbacks over the past 30 years

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