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Pathetic.

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McCray looks like a player. He will be fun to watch.

I love 240 RBs with some speed.

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Fire Lovie Smith.

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Agreed. But ChamBama was a miserable place to be, especially in the late fall and winter. Plus it has very little flavor and is somewhat lifeless. And I always got the impression that being from Chicago, you weren't that welcome.

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You are spot on except for the not welcome part. Heck most of the campus is Chicagoans.

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I'm talking more about the school staff and the townies.

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When we were all there in various parts of the 80s, the four square miles of campus was the southern-most suburb of Chicago. The Sun-Times used to deliver the full city local version to the dormitories, because people wanted the local news and the weekend entertainment listings.

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"When people want their version of the truth, they go find it, no matter how baseless their beliefs." -- Ken Rosenthal

"chicagoans" like candace "ace" parker is a chicagoan

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

Well I know you city snobs do not consider suburban folks to be Chicagoans. But everywhere else in the world we are Chi-town.

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my boy had a friend who was invited not to return to SICP at some point in his career. I saw him over the summer and he said he was at Iowa State engineering. I laughed to myself a little and hoped he never engineered any roads I would drive upon.

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
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I think NU and UW realized who they were, developed a system that was not dependent on stars and recruited that system. UI has never had that epiphany.

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Only suburbanites use the phrase Chi-town or believe in phony words like Chicagoland.

And no suburbanites are NOT Chicagoans.

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another very big problem with U of I, in terms of in state love is that tuition is ridiculously high compared to in state tuitions of surrounding states. It's often cheaper to pay out of state (considering the scholarship money offered) tuition than U of I in state.

and when you invite a kid to look at other campuses in the Big Ten, U of I will not rank very highly in a hierarchy of college towns. Also, while U of I has some fantastic schools, other places in the Big 10 all have big alumni networks in chicago that can balance for a good student.

I always looked at U of I as just kind of there in my college inquiries and I think my first round of going through it with a child was a similar feel

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Lol. It is people in NY and such that refer to us as Chi-town, but yes I use Chicagoland because the city folks get so offended at the Mecca residents saying they are from Chicago.

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Tuition was $5k when I enrolled in 1992. Room and board was $4k. Books about $1k or so. They are showing $33k+ now for in state.

https://admissions.illinois.edu/Invest/tuition

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I can tell you exactly what it costs x2.

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Damn, when I entered in 84, tuition room and board was $5300 total iirc.

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I spent quite a bit of time researching why college has gotten so expensive. Specific to Illinois, the state is contributing a much smaller piece towards tuition than when we went there. Also, the amount of administrators and fancy buildings is off the charts.

I got my entire grad degree from NIU (19 classes) for about $20k. One semester for my daughter at IU costs that now.

I feel really bad for poor and lower middle income families. Of all the things this country should fund well, it is education. My education lifted me out of a single mother household to a top 2-3% wage earner. All public school education too.

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Agreed. But I was surprised how hostile many around here a few years ago were to restoring funding.

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Education is funded extremely well. The problem is an over-supply of students willing to go into crazy debt because it's been portrayed as the right path. It's not seen as an economic decision. It's based on emotion and status. Colleges are in an arms race to attract students. So they build expensive attractions.

And you mentioned the class of do nothing administrators who are actively driving the culture war.

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Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?

You completely ignored Denis' correct analysis about how the funding of higher education is much smaller just so you can play victim in a culture war.

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I often encourage kids to go the Junior College route if they do not obtain a scholarship just to cut the cost down.

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That is an excellent plan.

Unless you get into a premium program that you cannot risk reapplying to later and potentially not get accepted. Get the electives out of the way.

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I have always been against JuCo because for every kid that gets his prereq's out of the way another 10 fall victim to being around go no where high school friends. They end up getting a job that seems high paying but with no career advancement. And of course never transfer to a four year school.

If done correctly it is a solid path. Plus those fours years in college should be the best of your life from a freedom and lack of real life responsibilities perspective. I played more pick up basketball than one could imagine on top of video games, beer drinking, and all the other fun things that consume free time.

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I used to be too and when I had the chance to go away to Juco to hoop I declined for the very reason you describe. It seemed to be a continuation of high school to me and I wanted no part of it.

The high costs of college would make me seriously think about it if I were coming out today though.

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I think I found the comparable data. I enrolled in 92/93:

State gave $717M that budget year. Here:
https://www.obfs.uillinois.edu/UserFiles/Servers/Server_77092/File/about-obfs/budget-summary/UI-Budget-Summary-for-Operations-FY1992-93.pdf

Last year state gave $594M. Here:
https://www.obfs.uillinois.edu/common/pages/DisplayFile.aspx?itemId=1491676

Master link to all years is here:
https://www.obfs.uillinois.edu/about-obfs/budget-summary-operations/

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Hmm interesting perspective on how your feelings changed. I felt the same way as I saw my high school friends just continuing what we did as seniors. I had one good friend who I saw at a gas station driving a 7 series BMW at 19. I was driving a beat up Mazda. I asked him how he afforded it, and he was driving a beverage delivery route. I do not begrudge people who take other paths, but I know that a good education is the surest way to a decent career.

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Yeah I had at least 10 of my high school friends take the JuCo deal just to hoop. None of them ended up graduating from college. It was tough to pass it up because I really loved the game but I had to or else I doubt seriously that I would have been successful academically.

Our "handler" even told me that he would put a call in for me at the school that I ended up attending but I told him that I was done. Had to be content with merely being an Intramural All American

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Out here it is more typical and a lot of kids do it and move on to 4 year programs. It is certainly different than it was in the early 90's when I was making my school decisions. I knew more kids who went out east to a 5th year high school than went to community college from my graduating class. Maybe it's the economics, maybe its needing to help on the farm. Maybe its parents and kids deciding that spending the type of coin today school costs so their kids can drink beer, play pickup basketball games and video games is not a wise decision and perhaps their kid isn't ready for that freedom. In general the kid who is going to fuck around after 2 years at CC is probably going to fuck around in year 1 of a 4 year program.

20k all inclusive was my first year. I imagine that is 50k plus today. I think UIUIC was comparable to the high school I went to in cost, might of been cheaper before books and other fees were figured in..