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You can't fire either. The Bears don't have a first round pick next year. That would make the job less attractive. Also, having a young quarterback learn 2 offenses in his first 2 years is never good. Then you have to hope that the new GM and head coach really likes Fields and don't view him the way Nagy did (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky. When Pace was allowed to trade up to draft Fields, that was clearly a sign that he and Nagy were going to be around until at least 2023.

This is the line of thinking that has lead to the Bears win one playoff game over the last 16 Seasons. Absolutely pathetic.

I don't really care if the Bears win or lose on Sunday. I care how they play. If they play a good, crisp game and the Lions come out and beat them by a field goal, nothing wrong with that. If the Bears offense moves.the ball and D plays better that's what matters from here on out.

If they get embarrassed again like they did in Cleveland, you absolutely have to make a move. There is no other option

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firing mid season is not the bears style

but if you fire nagy, you must fire pace. No GM with mediocre results gets to pick THREE head coaches (let alone draft a second QB in the first round).

Anyway, they are beating the Lions


The Lions have less talent than the Bears but they play much harder. This one isn't a layup. Fields needs to be unshackled, Nagy needs to be jailed, Pace needs to be beheaded.


The defense played plenty hard on Sunday. An equal effort against the Lions should render good results. Hockenson will probably have a big game


The defense wasn't good Sunday. They benefited from some bad 4th down calls and some timely sacks. The Browns rushed for about 200 yards and had no problem moving the ball.


The final numbers were not good. Bears shut down the run for most of the game but TOP was nearly 2:1. The Browns also have an excellent OL.

Bears were controlling the line through 3Q with the score 16-3 (including a 57 yd fg). The 4th down plays were great defense, not bad calls and they had 5 timely sacks.

It's the second week in a row their DL was controlling the OL.

Now, do that versus a much worse Lion OL and WR group and with the offense playing against a far worse defense with Fields having a game more of experience.

I shouldn't have to analyze a Bear path to victory for Nas. This is frustrating.

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as additional perspective, this Bears schedule so far has been packed. Rams look like the best team in the NFC, the Browns look like legitimate SB contenders and the Bengals look stacked on O.

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good dolphin wrote:
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firing mid season is not the bears style

but if you fire nagy, you must fire pace. No GM with mediocre results gets to pick THREE head coaches (let alone draft a second QB in the first round).

Anyway, they are beating the Lions


The Lions have less talent than the Bears but they play much harder. This one isn't a layup. Fields needs to be unshackled, Nagy needs to be jailed, Pace needs to be beheaded.


The defense played plenty hard on Sunday. An equal effort against the Lions should render good results. Hockenson will probably have a big game


The defense wasn't good Sunday. They benefited from some bad 4th down calls and some timely sacks. The Browns rushed for about 200 yards and had no problem moving the ball.


The final numbers were not good. Bears shut down the run for most of the game but TOP was nearly 2:1. The Browns also have an excellent OL.

Bears were controlling the line through 3Q with the score 16-3 (including a 57 yd fg). The 4th down plays were great defense, not bad calls and they had 5 timely sacks.

It's the second week in a row their DL was controlling the OL.

Now, do that versus a much worse Lion OL and WR group and with the offense playing against a far worse defense with Fields having a game more of experience.

I shouldn't have to analyze a Bear path to victory for Nas. This is frustrating.


Bro, they gained one yard on offense via the pass. How do you expect them to score three TDs this Sunday?

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You can't fire either. The Bears don't have a first round pick next year. That would make the job less attractive. Also, having a young quarterback learn 2 offenses in his first 2 years is never good. Then you have to hope that the new GM and head coach really likes Fields and don't view him the way Nagy did (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky. When Pace was allowed to trade up to draft Fields, that was clearly a sign that he and Nagy were going to be around until at least 2023.

This is the line of thinking that has lead to the Bears win one playoff game over the last 16 Seasons. Absolutely pathetic.

I don't really care if the Bears win or lose on Sunday. I care how they play. If they play a good, crisp game and the Lions come out and beat them by a field goal, nothing wrong with that. If the Bears offense moves.the ball and D plays better that's what matters from here on out.

If they get embarrassed again like they did in Cleveland, you absolutely have to make a move. There is no other option


I would argue the constant turnover is a bigger issue. There isn't an organization in the world that can be successful with constant turnover at the top. The turnover with the Bears is usually media driven and fans jump aboard the train. Jerry Angelo and Lovie were pretty good together, but we couldn't wait to run them out of town. Then Emery and Trestman happened to us.

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Lovie had to go, the fuck up was choosing trestman 9ver Arians.

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You can't fire either. The Bears don't have a first round pick next year. That would make the job less attractive. Also, having a young quarterback learn 2 offenses in his first 2 years is never good. Then you have to hope that the new GM and head coach really likes Fields and don't view him the way Nagy did (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky. When Pace was allowed to trade up to draft Fields, that was clearly a sign that he and Nagy were going to be around until at least 2023.

This is the line of thinking that has lead to the Bears win one playoff game over the last 16 Seasons. Absolutely pathetic.

I don't really care if the Bears win or lose on Sunday. I care how they play. If they play a good, crisp game and the Lions come out and beat them by a field goal, nothing wrong with that. If the Bears offense moves.the ball and D plays better that's what matters from here on out.

If they get embarrassed again like they did in Cleveland, you absolutely have to make a move. There is no other option


I would argue the constant turnover is a bigger issue. There isn't an organization in the world that can be successful with constant turnover at the top. The turnover with the Bears is usually media driven and fans jump aboard the train. Jerry Angelo and Lovie were pretty good together, but we couldn't wait to run them out of town. Then Emery and Trestman happened to us.


Nagy is pretty much Trestman


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You can't fire either. The Bears don't have a first round pick next year. That would make the job less attractive. Also, having a young quarterback learn 2 offenses in his first 2 years is never good. Then you have to hope that the new GM and head coach really likes Fields and don't view him the way Nagy did (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky. When Pace was allowed to trade up to draft Fields, that was clearly a sign that he and Nagy were going to be around until at least 2023.

This is the line of thinking that has lead to the Bears win one playoff game over the last 16 Seasons. Absolutely pathetic.

I don't really care if the Bears win or lose on Sunday. I care how they play. If they play a good, crisp game and the Lions come out and beat them by a field goal, nothing wrong with that. If the Bears offense moves.the ball and D plays better that's what matters from here on out.

If they get embarrassed again like they did in Cleveland, you absolutely have to make a move. There is no other option


I would argue the constant turnover is a bigger issue. There isn't an organization in the world that can be successful with constant turnover at the top. The turnover with the Bears is usually media driven and fans jump aboard the train. Jerry Angelo and Lovie were pretty good together, but we couldn't wait to run them out of town. Then Emery and Trestman happened to us.


Nagy is pretty much Trestman


Except he still has the locker room and he doesn't piss himself when he has to speak in public.

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"Sure, his offense sucks and has been figured out by the league, and in response he has shown a complete inability to adapt it to get guys open while he refuses to play to whatever strengths his QB has, just like Marc Trestman, but the players LOVE him" is a ringing endorsement.

Turnover in coaching staffs and executives isn't the problem, it's a symptom. There's been a bunch of turnover in the football operations department because, despite being in professional football pretty much since its inception, and despite professional football being the only reason the family is moderately wealthy, the ownership is Football Stupid.


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"Sure, his offense sucks and has been figured out by the league, and in response he has shown a complete inability to adapt it to get guys open while he refuses to play to whatever strengths his QB has, just like Marc Trestman, but the players LOVE him" is a ringing endorsement.

Turnover in coaching staffs and executives isn't the problem, it's a symptom. There's been a bunch of turnover in the football operations department because, despite being in professional football pretty much since its inception, and despite professional football being the only reason the family is moderately wealthy, the ownership is Football Stupid.


I recognized what Nagy was years ago. Teams that have a lot of turnover never have sustained success.

Not long ago MANY were crying about "losing" Adam Gase.

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This Bear on Bear fighting is extremely tough to sit here and watch. I kind of feel bad for you.

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Nas wrote:
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Nas wrote:
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You can't fire either. The Bears don't have a first round pick next year. That would make the job less attractive. Also, having a young quarterback learn 2 offenses in his first 2 years is never good. Then you have to hope that the new GM and head coach really likes Fields and don't view him the way Nagy did (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky. When Pace was allowed to trade up to draft Fields, that was clearly a sign that he and Nagy were going to be around until at least 2023.

This is the line of thinking that has lead to the Bears win one playoff game over the last 16 Seasons. Absolutely pathetic.

I don't really care if the Bears win or lose on Sunday. I care how they play. If they play a good, crisp game and the Lions come out and beat them by a field goal, nothing wrong with that. If the Bears offense moves.the ball and D plays better that's what matters from here on out.

If they get embarrassed again like they did in Cleveland, you absolutely have to make a move. There is no other option


I would argue the constant turnover is a bigger issue. There isn't an organization in the world that can be successful with constant turnover at the top. The turnover with the Bears is usually media driven and fans jump aboard the train. Jerry Angelo and Lovie were pretty good together, but we couldn't wait to run them out of town. Then Emery and Trestman happened to us.


Nagy is pretty much Trestman


Except he still has the locker room and he doesn't piss himself when he has to speak in public.


For now..that won't last...


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I'm surprised that he hasn't lost them. His public face must be significantly different from his private face.

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Nagy is pretty much Trestman


Except he still has the locker room and he doesn't piss himself when he has to speak in public.


For now..that won't last...

I highly doubt he still has the locker room. The difference is as you stated....he's not a complete loon like Trestman. He's a well spoken, articulate goof. Also, the players have careers to worry about so they'll go out there and compete, but I'm sure most of them have zero regard for Nagy. His resume speaks for itself.

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Teams that have a lot of turnover never have sustained success.



Why did you vote out the last president then after only one term?

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Teams that have a lot of turnover never have sustained success.



Why did you vote out the last president then after only one term?

:D


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. Also, having a young quarterback learn 2 offenses in his first 2 years is never good. Then you have to hope that the new GM and head coach really likes Fields and don't view him the way Nagy did (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky.


Forcing Fields to learn two offenses is better than forcing him to work under Nagy. Both scenarios suck but learning two offenses sucks less because it means Nagy is gone.

Also, Nagy has many faults, but viewing (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky the way he did was not one of them.

Evidence is mounting that the problem was Nagy, not Mitch.

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as additional perspective, this Bears schedule so far has been packed. Rams look like the best team in the NFC, the Browns look like legitimate SB contenders and the Bengals look stacked on O.


Speaking of the schedule, I just noticed the Bears have alternating home and away games for every game this year, the only team that has to do that.

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David Carr had PTSD watching Fields try to play QB under Nagy...

https://www.nfl.com/news/offensive-player-rankings-week-4-the-good-and-bad-of-each-rookie-qb-s-season-so-

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What I dislike: I'm putting the dislike section first, because, well, you guys saw what the Bears' offense looked like Sunday against the Browns. Ick! I have to be honest. I'm over Matt Nagy from a quarterback standpoint. His noncommittal public comments Monday about who will start Week 4 run the risk of completely alienating the rookie after one game, which Nagy himself messed up. When you watch Bill Lazor call plays for Andy Dalton, there's rhythm, and each play call serves a purpose. We learned Nagy's faults as a play-caller for mobile quarterbacks when Mitchell (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky was still in Chicago, and it was no different Sunday with Fields. The play calls don't tie together, there are no easy completions and schematically, Fields just looked lost. As he was. The Bears totaled 47 yards of offense in Fields' debut, and the rookie was sacked NINE times. Many of these sacks occurred because Fields held the ball too long, but there were also plenty of free pass rushers.



Why am I so passionate about this? Watching Fields take the field against Cleveland was like stepping into a time machine. I was sacked nine times in my second career start with the Houston Texans in a game against the San Diego Chargers. I was purely guessing for most of the game, due to the different looks and pressures from the Chargers' defense. I had no idea what I was doing -- and I had no business being out on the field, as I couldn't anticipate any throws or decipher route concepts on the fly. That's what it looked like for Fields on Sunday.


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Great QB potential can be ruined by not investing heavily into repairing the worst O-Line in football three years running.

MANY Bears fans simply have no concept of sustained offensive success, and what it takes to build it.

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They have invested in it, just bad investments, like a guy with a broken back.


Or $10m on an ancient tight end who is only used on the goal line.

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They have invested in it, just bad investments, like a guy with a broken back.

What big free agent signing has occurred on the offensive line since idk, let’s say 2005?

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. Also, having a young quarterback learn 2 offenses in his first 2 years is never good. Then you have to hope that the new GM and head coach really likes Fields and don't view him the way Nagy did (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky.


Forcing Fields to learn two offenses is better than forcing him to work under Nagy. Both scenarios suck but learning two offenses sucks less because it means Nagy is gone.

Also, Nagy has many faults, but viewing (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky the way he did was not one of them.

Evidence is mounting that the problem was Nagy, not Mitch.




I’ve been singing this tune for a couple years now.. Mitch was also bad tho too if we’re being honest. It’s just.. he didn’t have to be that bad

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They have invested in it, just bad investments, like a guy with a broken back.

What big free agent signing has occurred on the offensive line since idk, let’s say 2005?
2005.


Nagy is not good. He is also nowhere near as bad as Trestman.

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They have invested in it, just bad investments, like a guy with a broken back.

What big free agent signing has occurred on the offensive line since idk, let’s say 2005?
2005.


Nagy is not good. He is also nowhere near as bad as Trestman.


Hard to believe the Bears were 8th in yards and 2nd in points in Trestman's first year with the Bears.

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Was John Tait the last BIG free agent signing on the offensive line?

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. Also, having a young quarterback learn 2 offenses in his first 2 years is never good. Then you have to hope that the new GM and head coach really likes Fields and don't view him the way Nagy did (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky.


Forcing Fields to learn two offenses is better than forcing him to work under Nagy. Both scenarios suck but learning two offenses sucks less because it means Nagy is gone.

Also, Nagy has many faults, but viewing (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky the way he did was not one of them.

Evidence is mounting that the problem was Nagy, not Mitch.

You did like Nagy early on.

It was always bizarre how people were so easy to accept (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky as the scapegoat even though (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky was the only qb of the 3 or 4 Nagy had here that actually performed well at times.

Still though, it was obvious that Nagy was terrible when he took away what had made his quarterback successful in one offseason.

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. Also, having a young quarterback learn 2 offenses in his first 2 years is never good. Then you have to hope that the new GM and head coach really likes Fields and don't view him the way Nagy did (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky.


Forcing Fields to learn two offenses is better than forcing him to work under Nagy. Both scenarios suck but learning two offenses sucks less because it means Nagy is gone.

Also, Nagy has many faults, but viewing (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky the way he did was not one of them.

Evidence is mounting that the problem was Nagy, not Mitch.

You did like Nagy early on.

It was always bizarre how people were so easy to accept (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky as the scapegoat even though (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky was the only qb of the 3 or 4 Nagy had here that actually performed well at times.

Still though, it was obvious that Nagy was terrible when he took away what had made his quarterback successful in one offseason.

I liked Nagy after his first season. There wasn't a lot to dislike. His fixation on demonizing Parkey was one of the first signs something was off with him, and it's been straight downhill ever since then. Last couple years I've been consistent that he's among the worst coaches in the league.

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