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Teams should be in central urban areas especially with such a big metro to allow all areas to utilize public trans and be as close as possible. The problem with the current location is it is terrible getting in and out and lacking connections to Metra or CTA rail.

I would prefer they stay in the city.

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Teams should be in central urban areas especially with such a big metro to allow all areas to utilize public trans and be as close as possible. The problem with the current location is it is terrible getting in and out and lacking connections to Metra or CTA rail.

I would prefer they stay in the city.


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Unreal that the city is actually going to let this shit happen.

I can't believe so many people are so happy about it. They hate Lightfoot that much?

Most people have absolutely no taste. If you tell them "cheap easy parking" they are fully in.

I still have hope this process drags out long enough that a new mayor gets in office who can agree with the Bears on another major renovation to Soldier Field. One that might even get landmark status back. Lightfoot seems to resigned to losing them. Next election is less than a year and a half away. I doubt the Bears break ground on a new stadium before then.

The thing I don't get is how many people are taking this new attitude that this is what's been holding the Bears back. The problem all along was a lakefront stadium in the city and not [gestures broadly] all of this? We all seem to agree that the McCaskeylings are these dead-eyed mutants who can't walk into a room without consulting an instruction manual, but now for some reason two-thirds of the fanbase thinks that those same mutants should spearhead a massive mixed-use real estate project and that nothing can possibly go wrong with that. Okay.

The dumbest and therefore likeliest possible outcome is that an Arlington Park stadium is just Soldier Field but more so: a monument of and to luxury suites that limits the general population more than any other stadium in the league. Watch it only be 64,000 seats instead of 61,000. But it'll have DOME!

You did argue before that baseball stadiums should be in cities and football stadiums should be in the suburbs. I believe it had to do with the Cubs or Sox moving.

This is great news. Let cities play hardball and see what happens. Build a domed stadium in Arlington Heights. Get the Big Ten football title game and a few Final Fours. If Detroit, Minneapolis, and Indianapolis are midwestern cities with an indoor domed stadium then why is a place with just as bad weather but also a lake that amplifies it stuck in the 60s?

The city should have been desperate to build a domed stadium for either the White Sox or Bears and instead they though Chicago was too big to have to care.

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Chicago is too big to have to care.

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denisdman wrote:
Teams should be in central urban areas especially with such a big metro to allow all areas to utilize public trans and be as close as possible. The problem with the current location is it is terrible getting in and out and lacking connections to Metra or CTA rail.

I would prefer they stay in the city.


All parties really blew it with the renovation. There were several central sites with cheap land just begging to be developed. The south loop was a wasteland. There was a great site along the river. The west loop was still manufacturing. Renovation was the cheap, and that is why we are here today

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Arlington will get a few token one-time events and then everything will fuck off right back to Jerryworld and it'll be left with nothing but weekly Monster Jams. Maybe the B1G title game is there more than once.


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Arlington will get a few token one-time events and then everything will fuck off right back to Jerryworld and it'll be left with nothing but weekly Monster Jams. Maybe the B1G title game is there more than once.

Obviously they only get one Super Bowl. That's how the NFL rolls. The Super Bowl location is mostly controlled by where the media wants to have a free vacation at in February.

They'll get at least half the Big Ten football title games, maybe a bowl game, and be in the Final Four rotation finally.

Still though, it's a city where outdoor events are poor choices for 6 months out of the year. A domed stadium is a must. The city had no desire to figure that out.

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Arlington will get a few token one-time events and then everything will fuck off right back to Jerryworld and it'll be left with nothing but weekly Monster Jams. Maybe the B1G title game is there more than once.

with or without the special events, the Bears will have a more accessible stadium, a casino, 80,000 fans per game, a casino, and all the additional revenue streams. This is not going to be a bad investment for them.

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Arlington will get a few token one-time events and then everything will fuck off right back to Jerryworld and it'll be left with nothing but weekly Monster Jams. Maybe the B1G title game is there more than once.

with or without the special events, the Bears will have a more accessible stadium, a casino, 80,000 fans per game, a casino, and all the additional revenue streams. This is not going to be a bad investment for them.


its a great investment for them

its a bad investment for the public. I wonder if AH is contributing

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Arlington will get a few token one-time events and then everything will fuck off right back to Jerryworld and it'll be left with nothing but weekly Monster Jams. Maybe the B1G title game is there more than once.

with or without the special events, the Bears will have a more accessible stadium, a casino, 80,000 fans per game, a casino, and all the additional revenue streams. This is not going to be a bad investment for them.


and they'll have a casino


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Arlington will get a few token one-time events and then everything will fuck off right back to Jerryworld and it'll be left with nothing but weekly Monster Jams. Maybe the B1G title game is there more than once.

with or without the special events, the Bears will have a more accessible stadium, a casino, 80,000 fans per game, a casino, and all the additional revenue streams. This is not going to be a bad investment for them.


its a great investment for them

its a bad investment for the public. I wonder if AH is contributing


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I could see the stadium getting a ton of other events. The Bears alone will create new businesses. Jerry world has tons of events other than the Cowboys. Soldier Field is a mess. They needed to do something.

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Where is the money over there? In the suburbs around AH or downtown chicago? They'll go where the $$ is.


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KDdidit wrote:
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Arlington will get a few token one-time events and then everything will fuck off right back to Jerryworld and it'll be left with nothing but weekly Monster Jams. Maybe the B1G title game is there more than once.

with or without the special events, the Bears will have a more accessible stadium, a casino, 80,000 fans per game, a casino, and all the additional revenue streams. This is not going to be a bad investment for them.


its a great investment for them

its a bad investment for the public. I wonder if AH is contributing


Yes, if you're rooting for the owners it's great.

Isn't the big complaint about pro sports teams that they abuse cities and aren't worth the costs associated with making them happy?

Shouldn't it be celebrated that the Bears freed the city of Chicago from that burden and are putting their own money down to purchase the land of their own stadium?

If sports stadiums are really bad for cities then "Congratulations Chicago!".

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Isn't the big complaint about pro sports teams that they abuse cities and aren't worth the costs associated with making them happy?

Shouldn't it be celebrated that the Bears freed the city of Chicago from that burden and are putting their own money down to purchase the land of their own stadium?

If sports stadiums are really bad for cities then "Congratulations Chicago!".


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Bears are so poorly run they can't even hold the city up for a new stadium. I'm a big proponent of cities telling teams to fuck off so good for them I guess, but I can only imagine the concessions the same people who brought you the parking meter contract would have brought to the table to get the bears to stay.


Moving the burden to some other rubes is great. I say that as a Chicagoan living in the suburbs!


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Lori was on Mully and Haugh ? :lol:


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Lori was on Mully and Haugh ? :lol:

Maybe the money from the buyout can help the city pay a portion of the eventual settlement that will come from the lifeguard abuse scandal

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I'm glad they didn't go out of state.

There is plenty of cheap land in NWI but I think the Bears knew that would have resulted in significant backlash and their ticket base is more north than south

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Statements brought to you by the same mayor who claims weekly that "crime is down"

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Turn Soldier Field into an Amazon distribution center.

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Wikipedia on Soldier Field:

Early configuration

In its earliest configuration, Soldier Field was capable of seating 74,280 spectators and was in the shape of a U. Additional seating could be added along the interior field, upper promenades and on the large, open field and terrace beyond the north endzone,[17] bringing the seating capacity to over 100,000.[18


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Bears are so poorly run they can't even hold the city up for a new stadium. I'm a big proponent of cities telling teams to fuck off so good for them I guess, but I can only imagine the concessions the same people who brought you the parking meter contract would have brought to the table to get the bears to stay.


I also want to see cities stop kowtowing to professional sports teams. However, the City's annual budget is somewhere around $6.5 billion. If they can keep the Bears around by spending a couple hundred million bucks, I would like to see them to do it.


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I could see the stadium getting a ton of other events. The Bears alone will create new businesses. Jerry world has tons of events other than the Cowboys. Soldier Field is a mess. They needed to do something.

There won't be a ton. AT&T doesn't hold that many events a year. Stadiums that size are just too large for "regular" events. Maybe 25 events a year at most.

Hence why franchises who pay for stadiums with less taxpayer assistance want/need complexes with parking, adjacent entertainment districts, etc.


Arenas are the sweet spot between costs and viability for events.


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Bears are so poorly run they can't even hold the city up for a new stadium. I'm a big proponent of cities telling teams to fuck off so good for them I guess, but I can only imagine the concessions the same people who brought you the parking meter contract would have brought to the table to get the bears to stay.


I also want to see cities stop kowtowing to professional sports teams. However, the City's annual budget is somewhere around $6.5 billion. If they can keep the Bears around by spending a couple hundred million bucks, I would like to see them to do it.

Why should the city hand out massive subsidies for 8 events out of the calendar? There's no way it's a prudent financial management of taxpayer money. There are much better investments than the fucking McCaskey-run Bears.

A larger picture redevelopment of Soldier Field/McCormick area may be great. But hell no to Lori spearheading that endeavor.


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Bears are so poorly run they can't even hold the city up for a new stadium. I'm a big proponent of cities telling teams to fuck off so good for them I guess, but I can only imagine the concessions the same people who brought you the parking meter contract would have brought to the table to get the bears to stay.


I also want to see cities stop kowtowing to professional sports teams. However, the City's annual budget is somewhere around $6.5 billion. If they can keep the Bears around by spending a couple hundred million bucks, I would like to see them to do it.

Why should the city hand out massive subsidies for 8 events out of the calendar? There's no way it's a prudent financial management of taxpayer money. There are much better investments than the fucking McCaskey-run Bears.

Exactly. The Bears leaving Chicago will be great for Chicago.

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