This is why CRT must be taught.

i do it with world capitals do. I actually do it with a lot of things.

I definitely see the value in it. I work with a lot of people not from the USA, its nice to not be totally ignorant of where they are from. but also it just helps get by, there's a surprising amount of utility in it especially when you are reading.

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"Yes, I would just like to say I'm sailing with the rock, and I'll be back, like Independence Day, with Jesus. June 6, like the movie. Big mother ship and all, I'll be back, I'll be back."

Wow. Only 10 minutes a month to keep in your memory an incredibly small niche of world knowledge and that is an argument that it is easy to retain all knowledge of everything?

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tell me where i brought up all knowledge of everything.

im just saying you wouldn't have forgotten what you learned in school if you bothered to just do the smallest bit of maintenance on it. also if it were taught to you better probably, but public schools gonna public school.

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"Yes, I would just like to say I'm sailing with the rock, and I'll be back, like Independence Day, with Jesus. June 6, like the movie. Big mother ship and all, I'll be back, I'll be back."

Yeah. Only 10 minutes a month on every small niche I ever learned!

It's amazing you think 10 minutes a month on British Prime Ministers is a point that helps you.

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thank you, I do agree it is quite amazing.

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"Yes, I would just like to say I'm sailing with the rock, and I'll be back, like Independence Day, with Jesus. June 6, like the movie. Big mother ship and all, I'll be back, I'll be back."

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think of it this way, why do musicians bother memorizing songs? all the sheet music and tabs are all on google for anyone to find. what is there to gain by memorizing it?

why learn a language? google translate can do it all for you. it can even translate a menu, or do speech recognition. what good is there in memorizing all that vocabulary and grammar?

the answers are obvious, and you would be stupid to think it doesn't apply to many other things. the presence of some quickly accessible online database does nothing to make you understand. it just lays the facts bare without context before you. its not replacement for knowledge, it never will be.

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"Yes, I would just like to say I'm sailing with the rock, and I'll be back, like Independence Day, with Jesus. June 6, like the movie. Big mother ship and all, I'll be back, I'll be back."

I get it, treat your brain like a muscle and all that.

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In 300 or 400 years when people are studying the Second Dark Ages that we are heading toward, they will discuss how humans allowed all knowledge to be stored on machines so they could stop thinking about anything other than making Tik Tok videos.

I was just having this conversation with a friend who has been a teacher at the best high school in the country for almost thirty years. She was almost despondent because her latest class of students is dumber and less capable than ever. They have the attitude being espoused by Brick here that learning is pointless when all of human knowledge is just a few keyboard taps away.

That conversation lead us to our medical treatment where doctors- so-called "experts" in medicine- actually type your symptoms into Google rather than making an informed diagnosis based on knowledge and experience.

It even gets down to something so simple as asking a retail clerk in the grocery store if they carry a certain brand and instead of getting an answer like, "Yes, third shelf in aisle 4", the person will walk around the store looking for it the same way I have been for the past ten minutes.

It's simply amazing that in a time when we fetishize "expertise" almost no expertise is left.

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You are referring to specialization now. You keep current the knowledge that you need for your specific role in the world. If you are a musician, you concentrate on music and have a higher understanding of the world of music than most. I'm not saying Google is good because you can turn your brain into a potato and if needed Google "What is the name of that bright thing in the sky that comes up every morning?". It's good because it expands our available knowledge base as I can get answers to questions that would have required at a minimum an hour at a library looking through encyclopedias even 30 years ago. I don't have to memorize the British Prime Ministers from the 1800s. If I for some reason need to know who the Prime Minister was in 1850 I can type it in and get the answer.

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Learning is not pointless. Education through high school should provide a solid base of general understanding on a large variety of subjects. Then, as you go on with your education then specialize in the things that you enjoy and provide value to society based on your advanced knowledge. When you need a person to build you a website you don't care about their knowledge of British Prime Ministers from the 1800s.

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I don't think we have any idea what the long term results of leaning on machines/technology so much will have on humanity.

It's easy to live in the present and accept that the way life is now if the way it's always been and the way it always will be. In fact, that's what most people do.

Three years ago every American would have scoffed if you had told them a doctor would shut down businesses and change the country forever. Now we accept that as a "good". Think about that. Society- and what you take for granted- is extremely fragile.

Just a few generations ago people spent their entire day focusing on survival. If you think we can't get back to that very quickly, you're sadly mistaken.

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With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

in a small way it's like a stick shift car vs. automatic transmission. the moment the two became a separate thing, and no one had to learn how to use the clutch anymore because automatic shifted for you, a piece of "really" driving a car went away.

ours was the last generation that probably grasped that; and since i'm on the end of it, i never learned. it's one of my regrets.

I'm not sure if you're purposely missing his point about the British Prime Ministers or not. But I'm pretty sure it wasn't that he "needs" to know obscure facts about Harold Wilson and Anthony Eden.

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I think it's more likely that it just wasn't a good point to say that you have to spend 10 minutes a month to "maintain" knowledge of such a niche subject that is easily found if needed by a Google search. The entire concept is that the human brain is not good at large scale memory tasks. 10 minutes a month doesn't seem like a lot of time until you have to multiply it by 10 to just cover British history. Then, add in US history and you are talking about spending whole days maintaining your knowledge of the subject. That's fine if your every day life as a teacher or researcher or politician revolves around the politics of those nations but then add in all the other countries and it becomes just an impossible task started with the baseline of "Remember British Prime Ministers for only 10 minutes per month!".

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There are a couple different issues here. One, I think the Prime Minister exercise is exactly that- an exercise for the brain.

Second, and more important, maintaining human knowledge is critical. Even as we do, we still repeat the same mistakes. By abandoning such knowledge to machines, who knows what the results will be.

This part isn't even about computing power. We barely used computers when I was in high school and kids made the same arguments about memorizing dates as you are. "Why is that date important?" The date isn't the point. The context is. We have a current example right in front of our faces. I'm sure you understand what a big difference it is to say the United States were founded in 1619 as opposed to 1776.

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I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Knowing about history is worthless because it can't build you a website. It's probably why kids today think that every white man born before 2000 was literally Hitler, and that we've only progressed because of the efforts of Toni Morrison, MLK, and Amanda Gorman.

I've done some Google course work recently, and let's just say that I am surprised that their data engineers are exclusively black, trans or bodies with vaginas. I don't know why there is such an effort to get more women into STEM. It's 80 percent women if what they are presenting isn't just some diversity is our strength facade.

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Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?

Sure it is. There are lots of ways to exercise your brain. Just like how some people run, some people bike, and some people swim. No one ever says "You aren't exercising your body unless you do all types of exercise".

Humans have a natural limit as to how they keep knowledge though. As pointed out, The Great Northern must take 10 minutes a month to remember the very niche category of British Prime Ministers. If he didn't do this once a month he believes he would lose virtually all knowledge of the subject. Now put a number on how many other general knowledge categories you would have to do the same with. British kings. British wars. British colonial activity. British Admirals. Let's say it's an hour a month to be well versed enough on Britain. Why not France? Why not Germany? Why not Mexico? Why not Australia? Do an hour each on those countries too. We're at 8 hours a month just to keep up your knowledge of things that you'll use at best once a month unless you are on a game show or in politics.

I think you and others are far overstating the capacity for human minds to retain knowledge.

You seem to be going back to the idea that my point is that Google makes all knowledge unnecessary.

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

Why play music at all?

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
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I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

You ever listen to digital recordings of music?

Just play it yourself or think about the live versions you heard in person.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Nobody needs music. Listening to it just keeps me from doing important things like making money.

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With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Why is making money important at an advanced age?

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Be well

GO BEARS!!!

It keeps me from doing useless stuff like fighting with you and Rick on CFMB.

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When Hazardous Youth goes on the road it should be called the Mandatory Payout Tour.

I love it!

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