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 Post subject: Re: My Bears Fandom
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This Ends in Antioch wrote:
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I think you’re missing the point.

Different people value different things.

The problem you have when these discussions arise is that you don’t have the ability to look at the city as an outsider.

That’s fine tho.
Outsider or lifetime Chicagoan, in the areas that gd posted-- Business, education, culture, food, leisure, architecture, natural beauty, and beyond-- there are some areas in each category where Chicago is objectively second to none. That doesn't mean Chicago is without faults.

Natural beauty?


Chicago's lakeshore is a jewel

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Natural beauty?
Have you ever been to or seen pictures of Chicago's lakefront?

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Let's keep this topic where it belongs- on the provincialism that is typical of Chicagoans. There is a certain type of Chicagoan for whom having an address in Chicago proper is extremely important. My dad was like this. I have cousins who are like this. Do you know how much dolphin could save a year in tuition if he just moved across the street?

It's true....I don't get it, but I've never lived in the city.
Still.....dropping your fandom due to a move to the suburbs is utterly ridiculous, but hey....it's your right I guess :lol:


It's something suburbanites can't understand. No one has Schaumburg or South Holland pride. That's why they tell everyone they are from Chicago.

Honestly question here. What about 2021 Chicago is worth feeling pride in?


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There is nothing about Chicago to me that is better than MANY other cities have to offer, Chicagoans have an extreme arrogance about their city.


To you?

isn't your life experience Kenosha and somewhere in Arkansas?

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Natural beauty?
Have you ever been to or seen pictures of Chicago's lakefront?

Sure, its lake shore, paths, parks, etc. are all great. Most of the best parts are also manmade.

I think my objection was natural beauty’s inclusion on your list of things where Chicago is ‘objectively second to none.’

I like Chicago and all but I’m not sure anybody could make a compelling subjective argument that that’s true.

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Nothing compares to NYC, but there is no good argument outside of the weather, in which Chicago isn't equal to whatever town is #2 on your list.


I love NY. It's a great place and I'd be happy to visit there every year.

Take any of the complaints about Chicago we have seen enumerated here and replace the name NY for Chicago. They would still be applicable.



Chicago has double the murders annually of NYC with only 1/3rd the population.

New York dealt with a public pension crisis back in the 70's. nowadays and for years new york has among the best funded public pension funds in the nation.
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 Post subject: Re: My Bears Fandom
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Nothing compares to NYC, but there is no good argument outside of the weather, in which Chicago isn't equal to whatever town is #2 on your list.


I love NY. It's a great place and I'd be happy to visit there every year.

Take any of the complaints about Chicago we have seen enumerated here and replace the name NY for Chicago. They would still be applicable.



Chicago has double the murders annually of NYC with only 1/3rd the population.

New York dealt with a public pension crisis back in the 70's. nowadays and for years new york has among the best funded public pension funds in the nation.


and people would still consider it crime ridden

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This Ends in Antioch wrote:
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Natural beauty?
Have you ever been to or seen pictures of Chicago's lakefront?

Sure, its lake shore, paths, parks, etc. are all great. Most of the best parts are also manmade.

I think my objection was natural beauty’s inclusion on your list of things where Chicago is ‘objectively second to none.’

I like Chicago and all but I’m not sure anybody could make a compelling subjective argument that that’s true.

I think it's a comparison of big cities. I don't think it's a comparison to the Grand Canyon or Maui.

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 Post subject: Re: My Bears Fandom
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This Ends in Antioch wrote:
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Natural beauty?
Have you ever been to or seen pictures of Chicago's lakefront?

Sure, its lake shore, paths, parks, etc. are all great. Most of the best parts are also manmade.

I think my objection was natural beauty’s inclusion on your list of things where Chicago is ‘objectively second to none.’

I like Chicago and all but I’m not sure anybody could make a compelling subjective argument that that’s true.


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Hussra wrote:
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Nothing compares to NYC, but there is no good argument outside of the weather, in which Chicago isn't equal to whatever town is #2 on your list.


I love NY. It's a great place and I'd be happy to visit there every year.

Take any of the complaints about Chicago we have seen enumerated here and replace the name NY for Chicago. They would still be applicable.



Chicago has double the murders annually of NYC with only 1/3rd the population.

New York dealt with a public pension crisis back in the 70's. nowadays and for years new york has among the best funded public pension funds in the nation.

NYC effectively outsourced the crimes to the suburbs. Too expensive to be a criminal if there are million dollar condos everywhere.

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and people would still consider it crime ridden



NYC? I think it's the opposite, since 9/11, Giuliani and Bloomberg out-Rudy'd Rudy with his law and order initiatives New York's tilted toward being too safe. Manhattan especially is like Disney NYC. Completely safe to walk around any Manhattan neighborhood from Battery Park up to and beyond Central Park 24/7. It's crazy how safe NYC became. Might be some backsliding under de Blasio, especially around Times Square. But it's still safe to wander around Manhattan day or night in 2021.
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Completely safe to walk around any Manhattan neighborhood from Battery Park up to and beyond Central Park 24/7. It's crazy how safe NYC became.
Well, not completely safe...

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I spend a lot of my life — maybe even most of my life these days — in hotels. And it can be a grim and dispiriting feeling, waking up, at first unsure of where you are, what language they’re speaking outside. The room looks much the same as other rooms. TV. Coffee maker on the desk. Complimentary fruit basket rotting on the table. The familiar suitcase.

All too often, particularly in America, I’ll walk to the window and draw back the curtains, looking to remind myself where I might be-and it doesn’t help at all. The featureless, anonymous skyline that greets me is much the same as the previous city’s and the city before that.

This is not a problem in Chicago.

You wake up in Chicago, pull back the curtain and you KNOW where you are. You could be nowhere else. You are in a big, brash, muscular, broad shouldered motherf***in’ city. A metropolis, completely non-neurotic, ever-moving, big hearted but cold blooded machine with millions of moving parts — a beast that will, if disrespected or not taken seriously, roll over you without remorse.

It is, also, as I like to point out frequently, one of America’s last great NO BULLS**T zones. Pomposity, pretentiousness, putting on airs of any kind, douchery and lack of a sense of humor will not get you far in Chicago. It is a trait shared with Glasgow — another city I love with a similar working class ethos and history.


Anthony Bourdain, a man who literally traveled nearly ever corner of the world, knows the truth. I value his judgement moreso than some carpetbagger in Arkansas or Kayley living in Hoffman Estates.
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I wonder what Bourdain would say about Chicago now five years later?

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I wonder what Bourdain would say about Chicago now five years later?

Gosh, I wish Chicago was more like Elmhurst
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I wonder what Bourdain would say about Chicago now five years later?

Gosh, I wish Chicago was more like Elmhurst
Actually, he would wish it were more like Burbank.

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I spend a lot of my life — maybe even most of my life these days — in hotels. And it can be a grim and dispiriting feeling, waking up, at first unsure of where you are, what language they’re speaking outside. The room looks much the same as other rooms. TV. Coffee maker on the desk. Complimentary fruit basket rotting on the table. The familiar suitcase.

All too often, particularly in America, I’ll walk to the window and draw back the curtains, looking to remind myself where I might be-and it doesn’t help at all. The featureless, anonymous skyline that greets me is much the same as the previous city’s and the city before that.

This is not a problem in Chicago.

You wake up in Chicago, pull back the curtain and you KNOW where you are. You could be nowhere else. You are in a big, brash, muscular, broad shouldered motherf***in’ city. A metropolis, completely non-neurotic, ever-moving, big hearted but cold blooded machine with millions of moving parts — a beast that will, if disrespected or not taken seriously, roll over you without remorse.

It is, also, as I like to point out frequently, one of America’s last great NO BULLS**T zones. Pomposity, pretentiousness, putting on airs of any kind, douchery and lack of a sense of humor will not get you far in Chicago. It is a trait shared with Glasgow — another city I love with a similar working class ethos and history.


Anthony Bourdain, a man who literally traveled nearly ever corner of the world, knows the truth. I value his judgement moreso than some carpetbagger in Arkansas or Kayley living in Hoffman Estates.

It is simply not that way anymore. It was once upon a time, but it is not anymore. Good for Anthony Bourdain playing to the crowd but the city has totally lost its way. It will never come back.

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I wonder what Bourdain would say about Chicago now five years later?

Gosh, I wish Chicago was more like Elmhurst

That would be funny

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I spend a lot of my life — maybe even most of my life these days — in hotels. And it can be a grim and dispiriting feeling, waking up, at first unsure of where you are, what language they’re speaking outside. The room looks much the same as other rooms. TV. Coffee maker on the desk. Complimentary fruit basket rotting on the table. The familiar suitcase.

All too often, particularly in America, I’ll walk to the window and draw back the curtains, looking to remind myself where I might be-and it doesn’t help at all. The featureless, anonymous skyline that greets me is much the same as the previous city’s and the city before that.

This is not a problem in Chicago.

You wake up in Chicago, pull back the curtain and you KNOW where you are. You could be nowhere else. You are in a big, brash, muscular, broad shouldered motherf***in’ city. A metropolis, completely non-neurotic, ever-moving, big hearted but cold blooded machine with millions of moving parts — a beast that will, if disrespected or not taken seriously, roll over you without remorse.

It is, also, as I like to point out frequently, one of America’s last great NO BULLS**T zones. Pomposity, pretentiousness, putting on airs of any kind, douchery and lack of a sense of humor will not get you far in Chicago. It is a trait shared with Glasgow — another city I love with a similar working class ethos and history.


Anthony Bourdain, a man who literally traveled nearly ever corner of the world, knows the truth. I value his judgement moreso than some carpetbagger in Arkansas or Kayley living in Hoffman Estates.

It is simply not that way anymore. It was once upon a time, but it is not anymore. Good for Anthony Bourdain playing to the crowd but the city has totally lost its way. It will never come back.

Reports man who no longer lives in Chicago.
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I wonder what Bourdain would say about Chicago now five years later?

Nothing different. He wasn't a fan of the Disney-fication of New York. Sometimes gritty is good.

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Chicago evolves into something greater every decade. The city will pay and the Bears will stay. #Winning

Don't lump me into the pool of Chicago haters....but I will say you're wrong here. The Bears are going to Arlington Heights.

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Well, not completely safe...

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I know that tweet is not looking for a response, but here’s a response…

It’s cuz they’re generally in red states with low taxes, low cost of living and the vast majority of the people aren’t locals. Also, people say they’re from a city as a courtesy to those they’re talking to, as the listener is more likely to understand Chicago than Rolling Meadows, IL.

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This Ends in Antioch wrote:
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I know that tweet is not looking for a response, but here’s a response…

It’s cuz they’re generally in red states with low taxes, low cost of living and the vast majority of the people aren’t locals. Also, people say they’re from a city as a courtesy to those they’re talking to, as the listener is more likely to understand Chicago than Rolling Meadows, IL.


Your last point is spot-on, it's all relative. If I'm in Japan and someone asks me where I'm from, I'll say the U.S. If I'm in New York and someone asks me where I'm from, I'll say Chicago. If I'm in the loop and someone asks me where I'm from, I'll say the west suburbs. If I'm in La Grange and someone asks me where I'm from I'll say, ..... You get the idea.
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