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What did Sheets do? Think Engel would have caught the ball Garcia misplayed?


We're talking offense here, not defense. You were the one touting Engel's offensive credentials. He's not a starting corner outfielder. He simply doesn't hit well enough.


You do realize he hit well this season right? And he can play defense. Quite being stupid. It’s not you.


I'll admit I have an irrational hatred for Adam Engel, but I think you need to admit that they can do better than him in a corner outfield position and you know in your heart of hearts that he is not a good hitter. The more they play that guy, the more he's going to get exposed.


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Last time I was as irrationally confident about the postseason as I was about the Sox this year was 2012.

ND Bama…thought the dominant Irish d would shut down bama. And that was the last time I ever bet against nick saban.


How do you like ND tomorrow? give me a pick damnit!

Depends on your number I guess. I have them -1.5 and feel ok. Make that more than an FG and I’m not as confident.


i think it's a pick'em game at best. you at least get + odds there. do you think they would just lose by a point?

We’ll I’m a homer so when put that way, I think they win by 2 TDs.

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What did Sheets do? Think Engel would have caught the ball Garcia misplayed?


We're talking offense here, not defense. You were the one touting Engel's offensive credentials. He's not a starting corner outfielder. He simply doesn't hit well enough.


You do realize he hit well this season right? And he can play defense. Quite being stupid. It’s not you.


I'll admit I have an irrational hatred for Adam Engel, but I think you need to admit that they can do better than him in a corner outfield position and you know in your heart of hearts that he is not a good hitter. The more they play that guy, the more he's going to get exposed.

Yes but the issue here is that Garcia is a utility infielder. He had no business in the outfield late in a playoff game where you should be erring on the side of defense. He is at best an extra innings replacement. Not a outfield defensive replacement.

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Hey, were the Sox winning at any point after Giolito left the game today?



To be fair, he brought in Crochet (lefty) for Giolito to face Alvarez (lefty). Matchup made sense and the three batter minimum rule is present.

On the surface this makes sense, but when you look at the stats (things the manager should know), it isn't a good move.

1. Yordan has a higher OPS against lefties this year.
2. Crochet pitched the day before.
3. Crochet only pitched back to back days 3 times this year. He gave up at least a run in all 3 of those appearances.

Just bad managing. Know your personnel.


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Hey, were the Sox winning at any point after Giolito left the game today?



To be fair, he brought in Crochet (lefty) for Giolito to face Alvarez (lefty). Matchup made sense and the three batter minimum rule is present.

On the surface this makes sense, but when you look at the stats (things the manager should know), it isn't a good move.

1. Yordan has a higher OPS against lefties this year.
2. Crochet pitched the day before.
3. Crochet only pitched back to back days 3 times this year. He gave up at least a run in all 3 of those appearances.

Just bad managing. Know your personnel.


I listened to White Sox podcast that Garfien does and heard Alvarez's splits; I didn't know that Alvarez did that well against lefties. Ozzie thought Bummer or Kopech would have been the better options. So, that's two mistakes that LaRussa made.

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LaRussa's brain is just noise without Dave Duncan. He organized it and gave it direction.

Now you play for a miracle. You start Rodon and save Cease for Game 4. They've played and managed like little leaguers for two games and have dug a grave. The last thing you do is play for a Game 4. You play for a Game 5.


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The Sox were a year early. For the second year in a row.

Objectively, I don't understand this line of thinking.

Lynn, Gilioto, Abrue, Moncada, Anderson and Grandal have all either peaked or on the downslopes of their career. Luis Robert is really the only budding star you have. Eloy can't stay healthy enough at this point. And you have massive holes at second base and right field. And no farm system to boot (which is fine, you promoted all the good guys) but still there is nothing to fill in the gaps, and the bottom of your lineup is an automatic out.


I would say sign Stroman this offseason, bring back Rodon and build a pitching dominant team, but I don't know if that flows with the terrible defensive unit currently out there. This was the year to win it all with emergence of Rodon/Cease and the trades you made in the bullpen.

A 26, 27, and 28 year old are on the downside of their careers?

But it's mostly just mocking the idea that when you lose you can just say "We were a year early" like it's the start of a decade of dominance.

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Yup. Just like 2016 when the better team lost the WS

:lol: Better teams don’t blow 3-1 series leads but go off queen .


He is just mad that the 2021 Astros are not cream puffs like in 2005.


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After Giolito's 2nd walk in the 5th, I called him a "miserable c*nt", then completely gave up after they tied it. Turned the shit off and damn proud of it. Won't be watching Game 3. I watched the 2000 game 3. That's plenty.


And Len said Giolito had been excellent; since when is going less than 5 innings with 5 walks to boot merit an "excellent"?

4.1 innings , 4ER, 5 walks is pitching well. Then again Len is used to soaping up bad pitching performances to sell to audiences from the Cubs years .


No, Len is used to watching Lester, Darvish, Hendricks and Arrieta in their primes. Len is just getting used to seeing Keuchel, Kimbrel and Lynn getting lit up this past month.

You went the serious route and still slipped Darvish in there?


Darvish after year 1 of this contract was lights out. Darvish at his peak last year was better then anyone you have on the South Side.


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Brick wrote:
Caller Bob wrote:
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The Sox were a year early. For the second year in a row.

Objectively, I don't understand this line of thinking.

Lynn, Gilioto, Abrue, Moncada, Anderson and Grandal have all either peaked or on the downslopes of their career. Luis Robert is really the only budding star you have. Eloy can't stay healthy enough at this point. And you have massive holes at second base and right field. And no farm system to boot (which is fine, you promoted all the good guys) but still there is nothing to fill in the gaps, and the bottom of your lineup is an automatic out.


I would say sign Stroman this offseason, bring back Rodon and build a pitching dominant team, but I don't know if that flows with the terrible defensive unit currently out there. This was the year to win it all with emergence of Rodon/Cease and the trades you made in the bullpen.

A 26, 27, and 28 year old are on the downside of their careers?

But it's mostly just mocking the idea that when you lose you can just say "We were a year early" like it's the start of a decade of dominance.


Lynn, Abrue and Grandal are likely to regress moving forward. Giltio, Moncada and Anderson have peaked and "are what they are". The only breakout candidate is Robert, who if healthy, could put up a 7-8 fWAR MVP season. And with an owner that doesn't like to spend money and no farm system, it's difficult to see what will "catapult" the Sox to the next level. I know this is probably a difficult conversation to hear.


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Abrue and Gilito huh? This is some of the dumbest analysis in the history of sports. The team hasn't played well on the road all season. They are loaded with under 30 stars though. Manage the bullpen and defense better, and they win yesterday. I expect them to look a lot better tomorrow night though.

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Loaded? You got Robert and Cease. And good teams know how to win on the road.


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Anderson, Moncada, Giolito, and Jimenez. Just oversights I’m sure. Baseball is flukey, and they play better at home.

The rest of your argument is cliched trolling.

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they can't win the series at home. so...


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It was sickening to hear Levine defend Larussa this morning. "This is on the players. If he had brought Kopech in and he failed, you'd be criticizing that too. He's a fastball pitcher and the Astros are the best FB hitting team."

Kudos for Haugh responding, "then why did fastball thrower Lance Lynn start Game 1?"

Haugh also said the players failed last year too, but Renteria took the fall. TLR was brought in for these types of games/series.

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There were far too many oblivious tactical errors for LaRussa to just get a pass. As soon as Hernandez grabbed a bat the move was questioned.

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Yeah but something needed to be tried. All singles from this team is BS.

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It was sickening to hear Levine defend Larussa this morning. "This is on the players. If he had brought Kopech in and he failed, you'd be criticizing that too. He's a fastball pitcher and the Astros are the best FB hitting team."

Kudos for Haugh responding, "then why did fastball thrower Lance Lynn start Game 1?"

Haugh also said the players failed last year too, but Renteria took the fall. TLR was brought in for these types of games/series.

That’s a dumb fucking comment by Haugh but that’s not surprising either. Is Lance Lynn not supposed to pitch in a series then? Because they are a good fastball hitting team?

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Right. Would they not pitch Ryan, Clemens or that?

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It was sickening to hear Levine defend Larussa this morning. "This is on the players. If he had brought Kopech in and he failed, you'd be criticizing that too. He's a fastball pitcher and the Astros are the best FB hitting team."

Kudos for Haugh responding, "then why did fastball thrower Lance Lynn start Game 1?"

Haugh also said the players failed last year too, but Renteria took the fall. TLR was brought in for these types of games/series.

That’s a dumb fucking comment by Haugh but that’s not surprising either. Is Lance Lynn not supposed to pitch in a series then? Because they are a good fastball hitting team?


I think that was Haugh's point. If you're going to pitch Lynn, which you obviously would, then you pitch Kopech too.

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The Sox were a year early. For the second year in a row.

Objectively, I don't understand this line of thinking.

Lynn, Gilioto, Abrue, Moncada, Anderson and Grandal have all either peaked or on the downslopes of their career. Luis Robert is really the only budding star you have. Eloy can't stay healthy enough at this point. And you have massive holes at second base and right field. And no farm system to boot (which is fine, you promoted all the good guys) but still there is nothing to fill in the gaps, and the bottom of your lineup is an automatic out.


I would say sign Stroman this offseason, bring back Rodon and build a pitching dominant team, but I don't know if that flows with the terrible defensive unit currently out there. This was the year to win it all with emergence of Rodon/Cease and the trades you made in the bullpen.

A 26, 27, and 28 year old are on the downside of their careers?

But it's mostly just mocking the idea that when you lose you can just say "We were a year early" like it's the start of a decade of dominance.


Lynn, Abrue and Grandal are likely to regress moving forward. Giltio, Moncada and Anderson have peaked and "are what they are". The only breakout candidate is Robert, who if healthy, could put up a 7-8 fWAR MVP season. And with an owner that doesn't like to spend money and no farm system, it's difficult to see what will "catapult" the Sox to the next level. I know this is probably a difficult conversation to hear.

Fair enough. How many games do the Sox win next year?

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After Giolito's 2nd walk in the 5th, I called him a "miserable c*nt", then completely gave up after they tied it. Turned the shit off and damn proud of it. Won't be watching Game 3. I watched the 2000 game 3. That's plenty.


And Len said Giolito had been excellent; since when is going less than 5 innings with 5 walks to boot merit an "excellent"?

4.1 innings , 4ER, 5 walks is pitching well. Then again Len is used to soaping up bad pitching performances to sell to audiences from the Cubs years .


No, Len is used to watching Lester, Darvish, Hendricks and Arrieta in their primes. Len is just getting used to seeing Keuchel, Kimbrel and Lynn getting lit up this past month.

You went the serious route and still slipped Darvish in there?


Darvish after year 1 of this contract was lights out. Darvish at his peak last year was better then anyone you have on the South Side.

Darvish pitched well in a 60 game season and had a decent month or two during the rest of his time with the Cubs. Most of what Len saw from Yu was pretty comparable to Lynn’s start the other day.

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Brick wrote:
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The Sox were a year early. For the second year in a row.

Objectively, I don't understand this line of thinking.

Lynn, Gilioto, Abrue, Moncada, Anderson and Grandal have all either peaked or on the downslopes of their career. Luis Robert is really the only budding star you have. Eloy can't stay healthy enough at this point. And you have massive holes at second base and right field. And no farm system to boot (which is fine, you promoted all the good guys) but still there is nothing to fill in the gaps, and the bottom of your lineup is an automatic out.


I would say sign Stroman this offseason, bring back Rodon and build a pitching dominant team, but I don't know if that flows with the terrible defensive unit currently out there. This was the year to win it all with emergence of Rodon/Cease and the trades you made in the bullpen.

A 26, 27, and 28 year old are on the downside of their careers?

But it's mostly just mocking the idea that when you lose you can just say "We were a year early" like it's the start of a decade of dominance.


Lynn, Abrue and Grandal are likely to regress moving forward. Giltio, Moncada and Anderson have peaked and "are what they are". The only breakout candidate is Robert, who if healthy, could put up a 7-8 fWAR MVP season. And with an owner that doesn't like to spend money and no farm system, it's difficult to see what will "catapult" the Sox to the next level. I know this is probably a difficult conversation to hear.

Fair enough. How many games do the Sox win next year?

I say 96 games in their final season winning the AL central


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Jaw Breaker wrote:
It was sickening to hear Levine defend Larussa this morning. "This is on the players. If he had brought Kopech in and he failed, you'd be criticizing that too. He's a fastball pitcher and the Astros are the best FB hitting team."

Kudos for Haugh responding, "then why did fastball thrower Lance Lynn start Game 1?"

Haugh also said the players failed last year too, but Renteria took the fall. TLR was brought in for these types of games/series.

I think the playbook is different for starters than relievers. No one expects your horse starter to sit or not be used against a team in the playoffs because of matchup metrics. You bring Kopech in after Lynn ( or whatever situation ) he has to face 3 batters , what if they’re the 3 best fastball hitters the Astros have ? Then LaRussa is second guessed for doing that if he gets lit up just like he is for using Crochet . It’s a no win situation when the pitcher doesn’t do the job he’s brought it in to do. To me the move that totally is on LaRussa is putting García in right field and of course the ball found him and he butchered it. Every out is huge and every mistake is magnified in a short series and you can’t just throw anyone out there and hope for the best . Outfield defense matters .

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After seeing AJ Hinch coax 77 wins out of a AAA roster, are Sox fans ready to admit what a disaster it was to pass on him this offseason?


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Caller Bob wrote:
Brick wrote:
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The Sox were a year early. For the second year in a row.

Objectively, I don't understand this line of thinking.

Lynn, Gilioto, Abrue, Moncada, Anderson and Grandal have all either peaked or on the downslopes of their career. Luis Robert is really the only budding star you have. Eloy can't stay healthy enough at this point. And you have massive holes at second base and right field. And no farm system to boot (which is fine, you promoted all the good guys) but still there is nothing to fill in the gaps, and the bottom of your lineup is an automatic out.


I would say sign Stroman this offseason, bring back Rodon and build a pitching dominant team, but I don't know if that flows with the terrible defensive unit currently out there. This was the year to win it all with emergence of Rodon/Cease and the trades you made in the bullpen.

A 26, 27, and 28 year old are on the downside of their careers?

But it's mostly just mocking the idea that when you lose you can just say "We were a year early" like it's the start of a decade of dominance.


Lynn, Abrue and Grandal are likely to regress moving forward. Giltio, Moncada and Anderson have peaked and "are what they are". The only breakout candidate is Robert, who if healthy, could put up a 7-8 fWAR MVP season. And with an owner that doesn't like to spend money and no farm system, it's difficult to see what will "catapult" the Sox to the next level. I know this is probably a difficult conversation to hear.

Fair enough. How many games do the Sox win next year?

I say 96 games in their final season winning the AL central

So like I said they were a year early.

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Not really. This was a prime year to win it all.


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