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People are saying.

I wish there was more interesting stuff coming out about what actually happened.
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More info came out today. I’ll skip the details as they’ll be a bit slanted by the time I type them out.

The upshot is that Alec Baldwin shot two people, one of whom died.

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What is reverse partisan loyalty? Doesn't sound very loyal at all.

*perceived reverse partisan loyalty.

It’s all about the perception of reverse party loyalty.


If it's only a perception of reverse party loyalty, then that is just regular party loyalty.

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What is reverse partisan loyalty? Doesn't sound very loyal at all.

*perceived reverse partisan loyalty.

It’s all about the perception of reverse party loyalty.


If it's only a perception of reverse party loyalty, then that is just regular party loyalty.

The perception drives the reverse partisan loyalty. It’s not descriptive of the reverse loyalty itself.

Honestly, does anybody speak English these days.

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More info came out today. I’ll skip the details as they’ll be a bit slanted by the time I type them out.

The upshot is that Alec Baldwin shot two people, one of whom died.


Sounds like Alec Baldwin was director/producer and cut corners in production staff. Didn't hire a quality/safety manager to check the guns and didn't use the guns that do not fire to save money.

I guess a number of his staff walked out a day before this happened because of safety concerns.

At a bear minimum he didn't follow safety procedures staying 6ft back and not to point it directly at a person. Suppose to shoot and fire on an angle.
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if all that is true, he will be tried for first degree negligent manslaughter.

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Didn't hire a quality/safety manager to check the guns and didn't use the guns that do not fire to save money.


Save money where? On not having to use CGI because they were using the real thing? If true, he's in a world of trouble.

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Didn't hire a quality/safety manager to check the guns and didn't use the guns that do not fire to save money.


Save money where? On not having to use CGI because they were using the real thing? If true, he's in a world of trouble.


its damning in any case. safety is always first, in every job, no matter what.

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Didn't hire a quality/safety manager to check the guns and didn't use the guns that do not fire to save money.


Save money where? On not having to use CGI because they were using the real thing? If true, he's in a world of trouble.


I will look up the details, but I believe he used old school guns that fired blanks. You can get non firing prop guns, but they are expensive.
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At a bear minimum, he didn't put on the breaks concerning these safety issues.
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I'm able to see some argument for liability moving to the weapon wrangler if the actor shot another actor during a rehearsal or filming of the actual scene. There is no way he aims at and shoots the cinematographer as part of the script, unless she was standing in during rehearsal for another person. Liability falls totally on him if he chose to misuse it by firing at her as part of mischief, less so if she was standing in. Either way, I wish he had practiced better weapon safety, as I'm hoping he feels, also.

The Jack Ryan character in Red October was gun-phobic, but was able to shoot KGB agent Cook's Assistant Loganov* at close range; the pistol sure jumped around on him as the shots rang out!

*(yes, knows stupid things)


Sometimes actors are shooting in the direction of cameras/cameramen.

But not at cinematographers


Idk know the specifics. It'll come out eventually. My point is actors aren't always shooting at each other even when the scene calls for a gun fight between the two.

You're right. The script may have called for shooting a cinematographer and director.

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Rust' crew walked off set to protest working conditions hours before cinematographer death, reports say


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/rust-crew-walked-off-set-to-protest-working-conditions-hours-before-cinematographer-death-reports-say/ar-AAPQuJm?ocid=uxbndlbing

The Los Angeles Times and Deadline report that hours before the accident, members of the "Rust" camera crew packed up their gear and walked off the job and, according to the Los Angeles Times, were replaced with nonunion crew members. The outlets also noted at least two misfires with a prop gun on the set days before.

Baldwin was handed a loaded weapon by an assistant director (replacement nonunion crew member?) who indicated it was safe to use in the moments before the shooting, according to court records released and obtained Friday by The Associated Press. The assistant director did not know the prop gun was loaded with live rounds, according to a search warrant filed in a Santa Fe court.

IATSE Local 44, a union of propmakers and other craftspeople who work within the entertainment industry, about the incident. The message said that the prop gun from the "Rust" set was loaded with "a live single round" and that no Local 44 members were on set.

A prop gun or prop firearm can mean several different things. The term can refer to fake guns but also real weapons that are being used as props. Baldwin was using a real weapon because it was cheaper then the fake guns.

prop weapons can be "capable of inflicting actual bodily harm" and need a to be handled with a level of safety protocol.

Even though they do not fire bullets out of the gun barrel, they still have a powerful blast than can maim or kill.

Blanks can still use paper or plastic wadding to seal gunpowder into the cartridge, however, making them less dangerous than live rounds but still potentially harmful. If it is not cleaned and maintained properly it could misfire and kill someone.

If propelled close enough to someone, such in the case with Hexum's death from a blank cartridge, a blank can cause injury or worse.

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According to the Actors' Equity Association, people handling props should "treat all guns as if they are loaded and deadly."

The group says to never point a firearm at anyone.

On set, the property master or armorer should train actors in the safe use of any firearm they must handle.

The weapons master is required to be on set whenever a weapon is being used. The Actors’ Equity Association’s guidelines state: “Before each use, make sure the gun has been test-fired off stage and then ask to test fire it yourself. Watch the prop master check the cylinders and barrel to be sure no foreign object or dummy bullet has become lodged inside.” Further, “all loading of firearms must be done by the property master, armorer or experienced persons working under their direct supervision.”

I don't see how he doesn't get manslaughter charge out of his neglect for the basic safety rules using these prop guns.
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I gave him the benefit of the doubt early on, but that doesn't read well for him or others on set that day.
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I gave him the benefit of the doubt early on, but that doesn't read well for him or others on set that day.


Looks like they all had time to get their story straight and the armorer who was not present at the time of the shooting is going to be the fall "women"

In an emotional Facebook post Sunday afternoon, chief electrician Serge Svetnoy wrote that he was standing right next to Souza and Hutchins when Baldwin discharged the weapon. He considered Hutchins a friend, having worked with her before, and described “holding her in my arms while she was dying.” The tragedy, he said, was “the fault of negligence and unprofessionalism."

Svetnoy called attention to the mismanagement of firearms on set, claiming that the “person who was supposed to check the weapon on the site did not do this.” He expressed concern over Gutierrez’s lack of experience as a 24-year-old armorer and wrote that budget-concerned producers sometimes cut corners by riskily hiring people “who are not fully qualified for the complicated and dangerous job.”

Someone else blamed the assistant director for handling the weapon and giving it to Baldwin. They said, only the armorer should be handling the weapons and giving it to the actors.

I agree with this, more then blaming someone who was not in the room. They violated this basic rule: The weapons master is required to be on set whenever a weapon is being used

Baldwin has made plenty of movies with guns. He should know the rules and how to use a prop gun. No excuse for this to happen. They said he was practicing pulling his weapon and firing when the accident happened. Even if that is true, he should have been over 6ft away from others on the set.
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I gave him the benefit of the doubt early on, but that doesn't read well for him or others on set that day.


Looks like they all had time to get their story straight and the armorer who was not present at the time of the shooting is going to be the fall "women"

In an emotional Facebook post Sunday afternoon, chief electrician Serge Svetnoy wrote that he was standing right next to Souza and Hutchins when Baldwin discharged the weapon. He considered Hutchins a friend, having worked with her before, and described “holding her in my arms while she was dying.” The tragedy, he said, was “the fault of negligence and unprofessionalism."

Svetnoy called attention to the mismanagement of firearms on set, claiming that the “person who was supposed to check the weapon on the site did not do this.” He expressed concern over Gutierrez’s lack of experience as a 24-year-old armorer and wrote that budget-concerned producers sometimes cut corners by riskily hiring people “who are not fully qualified for the complicated and dangerous job.”

Someone else blamed the assistant director for handling the weapon and giving it to Baldwin. They said, only the armorer should be handling the weapons and giving it to the actors.

I agree with this, more then blaming someone who was not in the room. They violated this basic rule: The weapons master is required to be on set whenever a weapon is being used

Baldwin has made plenty of movies with guns. He should know the rules and how to use a prop gun. No excuse for this to happen. They said he was practicing pulling his weapon and firing when the accident happened. Even if that is true, he should have been over 6ft away from others on the set.

I'm not a lawyer of any kind, just my ignorant opinion....I don't see anything that's going to result in criminal charges. Seems to me the Producers (which include Baldwin) are going to be paying dearly in civil damages.

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Alec Baldwin do be leaking this chick's social media info. A green haired fatty that hates men registers way higher on the outrage scale than he does. :lol:

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She's apparently the daughter of a famous movie armorer, but on her own she has a history of some pretty unsafe actions on set. Is Ryan Pace getting an EP credit on this film?
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I gave him the benefit of the doubt early on, but that doesn't read well for him or others on set that day.


He's screwed no matter what, but something makes me feel as if the union people who walked off may share some responsibility or worse. I'm curious why moments after they walked off one of their prop guns had a live round in it.

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I gave him the benefit of the doubt early on, but that doesn't read well for him or others on set that day.


He's screwed no matter what, but something makes me feel as if the union people who walked off may share some responsibility or worse. I'm curious why moments after they walked off one of their prop guns had a live round in it.



They were probably part of Trump Deep Cover and had an opportunity to take revenge on the Faker Baldwin.

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I gave him the benefit of the doubt early on, but that doesn't read well for him or others on set that day.


He's screwed no matter what, but something makes me feel as if the union people who walked off may share some responsibility or worse. I'm curious why moments after they walked off one of their prop guns had a live round in it.



They were probably part of Trump Deep Cover and had an opportunity to take revenge on the Faker Baldwin.


My guy just called me and said the same thing.

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I gave him the benefit of the doubt early on, but that doesn't read well for him or others on set that day.


He's screwed no matter what, but something makes me feel as if the union people who walked off may share some responsibility or worse. I'm curious why moments after they walked off one of their prop guns had a live round in it.

Let's not turn this into an episode of Murder, She Wrote
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I gave him the benefit of the doubt early on, but that doesn't read well for him or others on set that day.


He's screwed no matter what, but something makes me feel as if the union people who walked off may share some responsibility or worse. I'm curious why moments after they walked off one of their prop guns had a live round in it.

Let's not turn this into an episode of Murder, She Wrote


How about an episode of Columbo?

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I gave him the benefit of the doubt early on, but that doesn't read well for him or others on set that day.


He's screwed no matter what, but something makes me feel as if the union people who walked off may share some responsibility or worse. I'm curious why moments after they walked off one of their prop guns had a live round in it.

Let's not turn this into an episode of Murder, She Wrote


We loved Angela Lansbury my house as a kid, but I think Perry Mason and Kojack were preferred.

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I gave him the benefit of the doubt early on, but that doesn't read well for him or others on set that day.


He's screwed no matter what, but something makes me feel as if the union people who walked off may share some responsibility or worse. I'm curious why moments after they walked off one of their prop guns had a live round in it.

Let's not turn this into an episode of Murder, She Wrote


We loved Angela Lansbury my house as a kid, but I think Perry Mason and Kojack were preferred.

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I gave him the benefit of the doubt early on, but that doesn't read well for him or others on set that day.


He's screwed no matter what, but something makes me feel as if the union people who walked off may share some responsibility or worse. I'm curious why moments after they walked off one of their prop guns had a live round in it.

Let's not turn this into an episode of Murder, She Wrote


We loved Angela Lansbury my house as a kid, but I think Perry Mason and Kojack were preferred.

Perry Mason would’ve preferred Kojack that’s for sure

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