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They played the famous 4th night at Earl's Court in London in 1975, considered the strongest of the EC performances.

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The legendary Stairway solo from that night. Listen to this Eddie VH.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyLnp5EFqxY

And the Woodstock section (formerly San Francisco) from Dazed from that night. One of my favorite.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pz3u2kh_VlI


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Terrible. And I consider the studio version one of the best solos of all time. The live versions lose all the momentum from the break.

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Terrible. And I consider the studio version one of the best solos of all time. The live versions lose all the momentum from the break.


I guess you don't have much of a musical ear for live performances then.


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They were better when they returned to Earl's Court in 1982:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elIbrUSMeGE

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Maybe because I have such love for the original Zep classics I really don't like such departures during most of their live stuff.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
They were better when they returned to Earl's Court in 1982:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elIbrUSMeGE



The irony of Youtube blocking my video for a copyright on a Zeppelin song. :lol: :lol:

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Maybe because I have such love for the original Zep classics I really don't like such departures during most of their live stuff.



They're really a studio band. Page tracking multiple guitars. Some of the real early live stuff is pretty good. Heavy versions of "Dazed and Confused".

Although, the original is scarier and more ominous than anything Zeppelin ever dreamed of. I expect Charlie Manson and car full of murderous females to come around the corner when I hear this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTsvs-pAGDc

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If it will finally get you up here, Frank, I will start workshopping it.

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On this day forty-six years ago the group played the second of three dates at Madison Square Garden, the last stop on their infamous 1973 American tour. It features probably the best version of "No Quarter" off Houses of the Holy. Jimmy's improvisation in his solo is second to none, except for perhaps his work on the song in Chicago on 1/22/75. This is the version that was used for the Song Remains the Same. The whole group played very tight that night, and Robert was in good voice. The video in not synced with the audio, and the wrong parts of the Song Remain the Same are used, but at least the song is complete.

I'm sure Frank knows about this one. Lynyrd Skynyrd couldn't hold a candle to these four.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFZy4ot2O2g


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Yeah that version of No Quarter is great.

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One of the most overrated bands in history.

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Never trust a man who doesn't like Led-Zeppelin or The Three Stooges.

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They're fine for what they are.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
pittmike wrote:
Maybe because I have such love for the original Zep classics I really don't like such departures during most of their live stuff.



They're really a studio band. Page tracking multiple guitars. Some of the real early live stuff is pretty good. Heavy versions of "Dazed and Confused".

Although, the original is scarier and more ominous than anything Zeppelin ever dreamed of. I expect Charlie Manson and car full of murderous females to come around the corner when I hear this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTsvs-pAGDc

Aaaaaaaaaand I never knew that. The original sounds great. Oddly, it is probably my favorite Zep tune.


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One could like Led Zeppelin and still find them overrated.

JORR is 100% correct....they were more of a studio band. That live version of Stairway has some great moments....and in typical Page fashion, it has some total slop. The completed version on the studio recording is a masterpiece. I'm all for an extended / improv live version....Page just tends to get incredibly sloppy...and I like Led Zeppelin just fine, but yeah...they also overrated.

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:lol: Not overrated in the slightest.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

They're really a studio band. Page tracking multiple guitars. Some of the real early live stuff is pretty good. Heavy versions of "Dazed and Confused".

Although, the original is scarier and more ominous than anything Zeppelin ever dreamed of. I expect Charlie Manson and car full of murderous females to come around the corner when I hear this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTsvs-pAGDc


A studio band? Definitely not. The magic was in their live performances and their improvisations which were different from night to night. Page's solos in Stairway were all creative works of genius. While there were phases of his solos that he repeated, like the hair-raising arpeggios he would shred through from '73 onward, other parts had him improvising freely. What's amazing is that he and Bonzo were in sync and kept time during these solos. The Stairway solo from Listen to this Eddie boot (LA '77 first night) illustrates this well. Bonham's drumming is incredible. The name Eddie is a reference to Eddie Van Halen, who used to be critical of Page's playing, even though he ripped off his hammer style from Page's playing on Heartbreaker after seeing Zeppelin perform in LA in '77.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGNljiG0Kwc

Stairway Solo starts at 3:01:44 (now corrected)

Today is the anniversary of Zep's legendary last night at Madison Square Garden in '73! It's the last time they performed the Whole Lotta Love medley, which can be heard below. This was how they ended the show, before they played The Ocean and Thank You as encores. Bonham does a lengthy drum solo at the end of it, which he had never done before and never would do again. Shows he was the GOAT! Sadly, the group never sounded the same after this show. Robert's voice was completely shot when they started touring again in January '75 and he never recovered his lost form.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKHocS80J-s

https://www.ledzeppelin.com/show/july-29-1973

I don't mind that they borrowed songs from other artists, but they should have given proper credit to them, which they didn't. With most of those songs, they made them better. Would you rather hear Zeppelin do Gallows Pole or Leadbelly?


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Dignified Rube wrote:
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They're really a studio band. Page tracking multiple guitars. Some of the real early live stuff is pretty good. Heavy versions of "Dazed and Confused".

Although, the original is scarier and more ominous than anything Zeppelin ever dreamed of. I expect Charlie Manson and car full of murderous females to come around the corner when I hear this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTsvs-pAGDc


A studio band? Definitely not. The magic was in their live performances and their improvisations which were different from night to night. Page's solos in Stairway were all creative works of genius. While there were phases of his solos that he repeated, like the hair-raising arpeggios he would shred through from '73 onward, other parts had him improvising freely. What's amazing is that he and Bonzo were in sync and kept time during these solos. The Stairway solo from Listen to this Eddie boot (LA '77 first night) illustrates this well. Bonham's drumming is incredible. The name Eddie is a reference to Eddie Van Halen, who used to be critical of Page's playing, even though he ripped off his hammer style from Page's playing on Heartbreaker after seeing Zeppelin perform in LA in '77.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGNljiG0Kwc

Stairway Solo starts at 3:01:44 (now corrected)

Today is the anniversary of Zep's legendary last night at Madison Square Garden in '73! It's the last time they performed the Whole Lotta Love medley, which can be heard below. This was how they ended the show, before they played The Ocean and Thank You as encores. Bonham does a lengthy drum solo at the end of it, which he had never done before and never would do again. Shows he was the GOAT! Sadly, the group never sounded the same after this show. Robert's voice was completely shot when they started touring again in January '75 and he never recovered his lost form.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKHocS80J-s

https://www.ledzeppelin.com/show/july-29-1973

I don't mind that they borrowed songs from other artists, but they should have given proper credit to them, which they didn't. With most of those songs, they made them better. Would you rather hear Zeppelin do Gallows Pole or Leadbelly?


Uh, Lead Belly.

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Uh, Lead Belly.

Standin' with a look of avarice
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The guy that was really good was Otis Rush.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uy2tEP3I3DM

There's Bert Jansch, too. Page ripped off Going to California and Bron-yr Stomp from him, besides Blackmountain Side.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5Gcu0Sv6lk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLQrVrU ... Gfa_ovJBap

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIWAYNpe48c

Bron-yr was Page's own, though. It's a very nice piece.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YZ_lIpG1XQ


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On this day, Sept 19 in 1970, Zep performed the last shows of their American tour in NYC (except for Hawaii a few days later). They did both an afternoon and evening show at Madison Square Garden. This show was one day after Hendrix died in England in Notting Hill. During the concert, Robert Plant pauses to say that a great loss happened to the music world the previous day with Jimi Hendrix passing, which was met by applause from the crowd.

That means Hendrix died 50 years ago yesterday.

Here's the links to both concerts and to the death announcement.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mshJUdBhFY

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Zeppelin played a very famous concert 50 years ago today---the 9/29/71 show in Osaka. It was the last of the five shows the group played in Japan. The show has been released as a bootleg many times, recently two years ago when a clear soundboard recording for much of the show surfaced. September '71 was probably the peak for the group, when Robert still had his full range.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85spFPFxkc8&t=5816s


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Isn't this considered the greatest Zeppelin show ever? I don't think anyone else has ever played drums like this for 2 hours:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGNljiG0Kwc&t=8545s

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Its definitely one of the their most famous bootlegs ever, and probably their best effort on that '77 tour, but I don't think its their best ever. They were at their peak live in 1973. The band was great in '75, but Plant's voice was not good then.

Honestly, their best show ever just might be the 2007 reunion show at the O2 arena.

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Isn't this considered the greatest Zeppelin show ever? I don't think anyone else has ever played drums like this for 2 hours:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGNljiG0Kwc&t=8545s


No, not the greatest of all-time but one of the best shows from '77. The Stairway solo is probably best from the whole tour.

If you liked the "Listen to this Eddie" show from LA '77, JORR, you may also like this show from Chicago '77 on the last night they played in the city, April 10, 1977. It was Easter Sunday. The night before, Page came down with Heroin poisoning or some poisoning and had to abandon the show during Ten Years Gone, I think. Would have been ironic if he had gotten sick during Sick Again! Anyway, the group tried extra hard for the last Chicago show. The bow solo just before Achilles is something else. You need your bootleg ears for this one, though, as the recording is rough. It was so loud in the Stadium that it overcame the recorder.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFKMZBKSH1k

Frank is right that their peak musically was in '73 during the second leg of the tour. But I would say their prime was earlier, like September '71 when all four members were at full strength. A great concert from the time period was Fort Worth '71. It's probably the only show where Plant sang Celebration Day all in the high register. This show also has one of the best versions of That's the Way. Another excellent show from this time period is Toronto '71.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvXxby79Jg0&t=286s

I personally like Sydney '72 as Zep's best show. Plant's vocals were incredible. The icing on the cake was the encore version of Thank You, the only time they played the song in Australia.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcKJ6F79qsM&t=2178s


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The quality of those recordings is atrocious, especially compared to "Listen to this Eddie".

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It’s been a long time since” . . . 1971. Fifty years ago on Nov. 8, the album “Led Zeppelin IV” was released, which included the eight-minute classic “Stairway to Heaven.” It was a year of transition from turmoil to modernity, a songwriter’s paradise.

Andy Johns, the younger brother of another famed engineer, Glyn Johns, began his career working as an assistant engineer with Eddie Kramer on Jimi Hendrix sessions. Andy also produced The Rolling Stones' Exile on Main Street and worked with Free, Blind Faith and Van Halen.

Andy was instrumental in shaping the sound of Led Zeppelin's seminal fourth album, including John's Bonham's ferocious drum sound on When The Levee Breaks.

Sadly, Johns passed away in 2013, but in this 2009 interview he recalled the highs and lows of those sessions...

Where did you kick off the sessions for Led Zep IV?

"The Rolling Stones had the first mobile recording unit in Europe. I had done the Stones' album Sticky Fingers and I had also done two other album projects at Mick's house, Stargroves, with the truck and I really liked it. It was a lot of fun and you got so many different spaces and it was better than being stuck in some airless, windowless room.

"We were getting ready to do the next Led Zeppelin album and I said to Jimmy Page: 'Why don't we use the Stones' truck and we'll go to Mick's house?' So Jimmy says: 'How much will that cost?' It worked out to be the same as a regular studio and a thousand pounds a week for Mick's house. He said: 'I'm not giving Mick Jagger a thousand pounds a week for his place. I'm going to find something better than that.' And he found Headley Grange, which was rather fortunate. We did a few tracks there including When The Levee Breaks, Rock And Roll and Boogie With Stu [the latter would appear on Physical Graffiti]."

What was your approach to recording at that time?

"I'd been using very few mics on tracks like Can't Find My Way Home by Blind Faith. I had recorded the whole thing using just two mics including vocals, guitar and Ginger Baker's drums. So I was really getting into that."

John Bonham was famous for his very particular drum sound. How hands on was he?

"I never had Bonzo turn round to me and say, 'oh that's a great drum sound, Andy.' He'd just say, 'There's not enough 'frudge' on the bass drum.' That was his word and I knew exactly what he meant by 'frudge'."

"We took Bonham's kit and stuck it in this lobby area. I got a couple of microphones and put them up the first set of the stairs"

When The Levee Breaks put Bonham centre stage, held down by that monstrous 26" Ludwig bass drum. What was the process behind achieving that sound?

"One night Zeppelin were all going down the boozer and I said, 'You guys bugger off but Bonzo, you stay behind because I've got an idea.' So we took his kit out of the room where the other guys had been recording and stuck it in this lobby area. I got a couple of microphones and put them up the first set of the stairs."

It wasn't just the stairwell that got that famous, earthy delay sound though...

"I used two Beyerdynamic M160 microphones and I put a couple of limiters over the two mics and used a Binson Echorec echo device that Jimmy Page had bought. They were Italian-made and instead of tape they used a very thin steel drum.

"Tape would wear out and you'd have to keep replacing it. But this wafer-thin drum worked on the same principle as a wire recorder. It was magnetised and had various heads on it and there were different settings. They were very cool things!

"And so playing at that particular tempo on 'Levee the limiters had time to breathe and that's how Bonzo got that 'Ga Gack' sound because of the Binson. He wasn't playing that. It was the Binson that made him sound like that. I remember playing it back in the Stones' mobile truck and thinking, 'Bonzo's gotta f**king like this!' I had never heard anything like it and the drum sound was quite spectacular."

What was Bonham's reaction to hearing the track back?

"I said: 'Bonzo, come and listen to this, dear chap.' And he came in and said, 'Oh yeah, that's more f**king like it!' And everyone was very happy. I guess I must have done it as a one-off thing and I didn't start using that technique of room mics all the time until later in the '70s with people like Rod Stewart. Jimmy picked up on it and used it on 'Kashmir'. When The Levee Breaks came out quite well and people still ask me about it when I appear on music biz panels and what-not."

You then moved onto Island Studios…

"Black Dog was the first thing we did there. That was a collaboration with Pagey and John Paul. My contribution to that was triple-tracking the guitar riff played on a Gibson Les Paul. I used a couple of universal limiters. It worked really well but as soon as Jimmy stopped playing, with all that gain it went 'Ssshh woarg!'"

Tell us about the recording of Rock And Roll and Stairway To Heaven…

"[Rock And Roll] was a little tough to record because with the hi-hat being so open and [Bonham] hitting it that hard it was difficult to control. But I managed somehow or another. We did Stairway To Heaven upstairs in the big room at Island.

"I had said to Jimmy that we needed a song that builds up and hadn't been having much luck. But then he said: 'I think I've got something that you'll like and we'll do it next week.' And he came in with Stairway To Heaven.

We got there just after a big earthquake had struck in 1971 and we were running around like maniacs

"We tracked it with drums and acoustic guitar and John Paul was playing an upright Hohner piano. I'd never even seen one before or since. The drums come in later because it's a 'building song', innit! I didn't have a lot to do with Stairway except for the 12-string guitar sound that I really liked at the time.

"Jimmy was always running his 12-string Rickenbacker through a box, which is a good sound. But if you do it direct and compress it, you get a much more bell-like quality. So I suggested we try that and he really liked it. There was a bit of a struggle on the solo. He was playing for half an hour and did seven or eight takes. He hadn't quite got it sussed. I was starting to get a bit paranoid and he said, 'No, no you're making ME paranoid.' Then right after that he played a really great solo."

The initial mixing sessions took place at Sunset Sound studios in LA...

"I had mixed an album with Gary Wright at Sunset and there were some wonderful mixes coming out of that studio. We got there just after a big earthquake had struck in 1971 and we were running around like maniacs. In Going To California there is mention of an earthquake in Robert's lyrics. I remember Jimmy saying: 'oh don't put that on there, it will cause another earthquake.' I said, 'oh, don't be so bloody stupid, gimme a break!'

"So the tapes began rolling and sure enough there was an aftershock. Totally coincidental of course but Jimmy was convinced it was the power of the music. So that was rather funny. But Peter Grant [Led Zep manager] would lie on his bed clutching the sides. He was a hard-nosed character but he was petrified of the earthquakes. Everyone thought the place was going to fall into the ocean. And as it turned out, mixing the album was an absolute disaster. That's why I didn't get to work with Zeppelin again after that album.

"It all sounded great at Sunset but the only mix that got used was When The Levee Breaks. That, for some reason turned out alright. But we did this playback at Olympic Studios in London and it wasn't the greatest place to hold a playback session. I should have chosen Island. Anyway the first song goes by and it doesn't sound very good at all. Jimmy and I are sitting on the floor with heads in our hands going 'What the hell is this?' Then we played the next one and the next one… and it all sounded 'orrible.

"The other three guys were turning round and giving us funny looks. 'What's happened here?' If it had been anyone else I would have been booted off the project there and then. Jimmy said: 'Well, that's not very good is it? Let's go back to Island where we should have been in the first place. We'll mix it there.'"

You must have been devastated?

"My bottle had gone and obviously I was shattered. The previous stuff I'd done at Sunset had come out Jim Dandy and was really good. I thought Sunset was a cool place but they had changed the room since I was last there. I don't know what happened. So we went back to Island and re-mixed Zeppelin IV although we still used the Levee Breaks mix from Sunset. But it had all cost a few bob, flying us over there to LA and staying at the Hyatt House. And I know that Bonzo was furious about it."

The When The Levee Breaks drum sound has been sampled and copied many times over the years, notably by the Beastie Boys.

"It's funny actually. I remember mixing some tracks in Tokyo and there were three 32-track machines all strapped together. It was insanity. One machine had all the percussion tracks and I found it even had a little of bit of When The Levee Breaks. Who would have thought all those years later I'd be stealing my own stuff!"

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