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The Bears would have more wins if Dalton was the starter.

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I've seen nothing that Nagy has done in the past 9 games that should get him fired. Especially considering that Fields was the quarterback he targeted.
The 3-6 record isn't exactly a strong piece of evidence.


Starting Fields was essentially saying that you didn't care about wins. You can't have it both ways. The Bears would have more wins if Dalton was the starter.
The only game Dalton may have won that we lost would have been Cleveland but that was because Dalton was injured. Dalton wasn't winning any of the other games.

There's basically a 0% chance a healthy Dalton would have won that game. It would've been just as bad

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I've seen nothing that Nagy has done in the past 9 games that should get him fired. Especially considering that Fields was the quarterback he targeted.
The 3-6 record isn't exactly a strong piece of evidence.


Starting Fields was essentially saying that you didn't care about wins. You can't have it both ways. The Bears would have more wins if Dalton was the starter.
The only game Dalton may have won that we lost would have been Cleveland but that was because Dalton was injured. Dalton wasn't winning any of the other games.


You probably need to get your television fixed. We're all still judging Fields on a curve. His inability to read a defense or get the ball out quickly has limited the effectiveness of the offense even though they have a great run game. The Buccaneers game is literally the only game I am not confident the Bears would have had a shot in.

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You probably need to get your television fixed.

Ironic, considering yours seems to only be showing the Andy Dalton of 2015 and not the current actual Andy Dalton on the roster.

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I've seen nothing that Nagy has done in the past 9 games that should get him fired. Especially considering that Fields was the quarterback he targeted.
The 3-6 record isn't exactly a strong piece of evidence.


Starting Fields was essentially saying that you didn't care about wins. You can't have it both ways. The Bears would have more wins if Dalton was the starter.
The only game Dalton may have won that we lost would have been Cleveland but that was because Dalton was injured. Dalton wasn't winning any of the other games.


You probably need to get your television fixed. We're all still judging Fields on a curve. His inability to read a defense or get the ball out quickly has limited the effectiveness of the offense even though they have a great run game. The Buccaneers game is literally the only game I am not confident the Bears would have had a shot in.

Dalton's mostly a game manager these days too. He put up fairly average numbers for a Dallas team with far better overall talent.

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I've seen nothing that Nagy has done in the past 9 games that should get him fired. Especially considering that Fields was the quarterback he targeted.
The 3-6 record isn't exactly a strong piece of evidence.


Starting Fields was essentially saying that you didn't care about wins. You can't have it both ways. The Bears would have more wins if Dalton was the starter.
The only game Dalton may have won that we lost would have been Cleveland but that was because Dalton was injured. Dalton wasn't winning any of the other games.


You probably need to get your television fixed. We're all still judging Fields on a curve. His inability to read a defense or get the ball out quickly has limited the effectiveness of the offense even though they have a great run game. The Buccaneers game is literally the only game I am not confident the Bears would have had a shot in.

Dalton's mostly a game manager these days too. He put up fairly average numbers for a Dallas team with far better overall talent.


The Bears didn't exactly need an all pro quarterback to win a lot of these games. They just needed competent play. Even without that, they were in nearly all of these games until the end.

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The Bears didn't exactly need an all pro quarterback to win a lot of these games. They just needed competent play.

It's been years since Dalton has provided that to any team he's been on

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The Bears didn't exactly need an all pro quarterback to win a lot of these games. They just needed competent play. Even without that, they were in nearly all of these games until the end.
They weren't winning the Packers game. They were outmatched everywhere by Tampa. That leaves Cleveland, as mentioned above, and the 49ers game where Fields played pretty good(278 total yards and 2 touchdowns) and last night where Fields was great.

So, maybe Dalton gets them closer against Cleveland, but it doesn't matter because he was injured anyways. None of the other games become wins.

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The Bears didn't exactly need an all pro quarterback to win a lot of these games. They just needed competent play.

It's been years since Dalton has provided that to any team he's been on
Give Nas a break. Its been years since a quarterback provided the Bears with competent play.

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The Bears didn't exactly need an all pro quarterback to win a lot of these games. They just needed competent play. Even without that, they were in nearly all of these games until the end.
They weren't winning the Packers game. They were outmatched everywhere by Tampa. That leaves Cleveland, as mentioned above, and the 49ers game where Fields played pretty good(278 total yards and 2 touchdowns) and last night where Fields was great.

So, maybe Dalton gets them closer against Cleveland, but it doesn't matter because he was injured anyways. None of the other games become wins.


Rodgers didn't put away the Bears until the end. Fields faced a secondary with more injuries than the Bears. It's ridiculous to say that the Bears couldn't have won.

Fields didn't give the Bears the best chance to win. We all recognized that Nagy was right fairly quickly. There's no need to rewrite history after a great 20 minutes of football by the kid.

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Rodgers didn't put away the Bears until the end. Fields faced a secondary with more injuries than the Bears. It's ridiculous to say that the Bears couldn't have won.

Fields didn't give the Bears the best chance to win. We all recognized that Nagy was right fairly quickly. There's no need to rewrite history after a great 20 minutes of football by the kid.
The Packers game is the only plausible game the Bears could have won with Dalton but he would have to have the elite type of game that he really doesn't have any more. I find it hard to believe that the Bears, who have struggled mightily against Rodgers, would have won a game because of Andy Dalton. Even if he did, the Bears are still 4-5 instead of 3-6. That's not exactly a great job by Nagy either.

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Rodgers didn't put away the Bears until the end. Fields faced a secondary with more injuries than the Bears. It's ridiculous to say that the Bears couldn't have won.

Fields didn't give the Bears the best chance to win. We all recognized that Nagy was right fairly quickly. There's no need to rewrite history after a great 20 minutes of football by the kid.
The Packers game is the only plausible game the Bears could have won with Dalton but he would have to have the elite type of game that he really doesn't have any more. I find it hard to believe that the Bears, who have struggled mightily against Rodgers, would have won a game because of Andy Dalton. Even if he did, the Bears are still 4-5 instead of 3-6. That's not exactly a great job by Nagy either.


The Bears would very likely be 6-3. They beat the 49ers and Steelers too.

I definitely don't recall you or anyone else saying that Fields gave the Bears the best chance to win. Playing him has ALWAYS been about his development and not about winning

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Rodgers didn't put away the Bears until the end. Fields faced a secondary with more injuries than the Bears. It's ridiculous to say that the Bears couldn't have won.

Fields didn't give the Bears the best chance to win. We all recognized that Nagy was right fairly quickly. There's no need to rewrite history after a great 20 minutes of football by the kid.
The Packers game is the only plausible game the Bears could have won with Dalton but he would have to have the elite type of game that he really doesn't have any more. I find it hard to believe that the Bears, who have struggled mightily against Rodgers, would have won a game because of Andy Dalton. Even if he did, the Bears are still 4-5 instead of 3-6. That's not exactly a great job by Nagy either.


The Bears would very likely be 6-3. They beat the 49ers and Steelers too.

Bears lose by 2-3 touchdowns last night if Dalton was their QB

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Rodgers didn't put away the Bears until the end. Fields faced a secondary with more injuries than the Bears. It's ridiculous to say that the Bears couldn't have won.

Fields didn't give the Bears the best chance to win. We all recognized that Nagy was right fairly quickly. There's no need to rewrite history after a great 20 minutes of football by the kid.
The Packers game is the only plausible game the Bears could have won with Dalton but he would have to have the elite type of game that he really doesn't have any more. I find it hard to believe that the Bears, who have struggled mightily against Rodgers, would have won a game because of Andy Dalton. Even if he did, the Bears are still 4-5 instead of 3-6. That's not exactly a great job by Nagy either.


The Bears would very likely be 6-3. They beat the 49ers and Steelers too.

Bears lose by 2-3 touchdowns last night if Dalton was their QB

Nas gives up game day threads and within the week he's full blown meatball again. Shocking. :lol:

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I didn't give up meatballism. Besides, what I am saying is true. If we aren't grading Fields on a curve, I don't see how anyone would think that he hasn't been mostly bad. Worst than any Bears quarterback that has started since Glennon was euthanized.

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I didn't give up meatballism. Besides, what I am saying is true. If we aren't grading Fields on a curve, I don't see how anyone would think that he hasn't been mostly bad. Worst than any Bears quarterback that has started since Glennon was euthanized.


As long as the trajectory is on an upward climb diagonally to the right, and as long as that arrow moves past (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky, Dalton, etc., by year end, then I think it's a good rookie year.

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I didn't give up meatballism. Besides, what I am saying is true. If we aren't grading Fields on a curve, I don't see how anyone would think that he hasn't been mostly bad. Worst than any Bears quarterback that has started since Glennon was euthanized.


As long as the trajectory is on an upward climb diagonally to the right, and as long as that arrow moves past (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky, Dalton, etc., by year end, then I think it's a good rookie year.


The eye test tells me that is just about guaranteed as long as he stays healthy.

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I didn't give up meatballism. Besides, what I am saying is true. If we aren't grading Fields on a curve, I don't see how anyone would think that he hasn't been mostly bad. Worst than any Bears quarterback that has started since Glennon was euthanized.


As long as the trajectory is on an upward climb diagonally to the right, and as long as that arrow moves past (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky, Dalton, etc., by year end, then I think it's a good rookie year.


The eye test tells me that is just about guaranteed as long as he stays healthy.

Which is dependent on the health of the line and muting Nagy.

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I didn't give up meatballism. Besides, what I am saying is true. If we aren't grading Fields on a curve, I don't see how anyone would think that he hasn't been mostly bad. Worst than any Bears quarterback that has started since Glennon was euthanized.


As long as the trajectory is on an upward climb diagonally to the right, and as long as that arrow moves past (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky, Dalton, etc., by year end, then I think it's a good rookie year.


The eye test tells me that is just about guaranteed as long as he stays healthy.

Which is dependent on the health of the line and muting Nagy.


The line gave him time the past couple of games and the Bears finally took the training wheels off yesterday.

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I've seen nothing that Nagy has done in the past 9 games that should get him fired. Especially considering that Fields was the quarterback he targeted.
The 3-6 record isn't exactly a strong piece of evidence.


Starting Fields was essentially saying that you didn't care about wins. You can't have it both ways. The Bears would have more wins if Dalton was the starter.
The only game Dalton may have won that we lost would have been Cleveland but that was because Dalton was injured. Dalton wasn't winning any of the other games.


You probably need to get your television fixed. We're all still judging Fields on a curve. His inability to read a defense or get the ball out quickly has limited the effectiveness of the offense even though they have a great run game. The Buccaneers game is literally the only game I am not confident the Bears would have had a shot in.


I agree that Nagy's quarterback decisions have cost the Bears victories this season, but not in the way you state. Nagy's insistence upon giving Dalton the starting job and accompanying refusal to let Fields vie for the starting position is/was both antithetical to the ethos of competitive athletics and detrimental to Fields' development. If Fields had been practicing with the offensive starters from the beginning of training camp, his development would be significantly more advanced than it is today and the Bears would likely have one or two more wins.

More problematically, your wistfulness over a lost Dalton era is especially bizarre given the game plan Nagy used in the Cleveland game. If Nagy called the same plays for Dalton that he did for Fields, Dalton would have wound up in the intensive care unit and injured reserve. Your predictions of Dalton-fueled Bears glory both overestimate Dalton's ability and Nagy's commonsense.

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your wistfulness over a lost Dalton era

Dalton-fueled Bears glory


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I've seen nothing that Nagy has done in the past 9 games that should get him fired. Especially considering that Fields was the quarterback he targeted.
The 3-6 record isn't exactly a strong piece of evidence.


Starting Fields was essentially saying that you didn't care about wins. You can't have it both ways. The Bears would have more wins if Dalton was the starter.
The only game Dalton may have won that we lost would have been Cleveland but that was because Dalton was injured. Dalton wasn't winning any of the other games.


You probably need to get your television fixed. We're all still judging Fields on a curve. His inability to read a defense or get the ball out quickly has limited the effectiveness of the offense even though they have a great run game. The Buccaneers game is literally the only game I am not confident the Bears would have had a shot in.


I agree that Nagy's quarterback decisions have cost the Bears victories this season, but not in the way you state. Nagy's insistence upon giving Dalton the starting job and accompanying refusal to let Fields vie for the starting position is/was both antithetical to the ethos of competitive athletics and detrimental to Fields' development. If Fields had been practicing with the offensive starters from the beginning of training camp, his development would be significantly more advanced than it is today and the Bears would likely have one or two more wins.

More problematically, your wistfulness over a lost Dalton era is especially bizarre given the game plan Nagy used in the Cleveland game. If Nagy called the same plays for Dalton that he did for Fields, Dalton would have wound up in the intensive care unit and injured reserve. Your predictions of Dalton-fueled Bears glory both overestimate Dalton's ability and Nagy's commonsense.


The kid recently learned how to call plays in a huddle. It's okay to acknowledge that he wasn't ready to start. It's okay to acknowledge that Nagy's "plan" was probably right. It's okay to acknowledge that Dalton wouldn't have had the same problems in Cleveland because he wasn't a green rookie.

I'm not sad about a Dalton era. The only thing that has mattered to me was the development of Fields. Not wanting him to be ruined because he was pushed out of the nest too soon. I understood like everyone else that winning games this season wasn't going to be a priority if he became the starter. Therefore I can't blame Nagy or Pace because of the Bears record.

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I've seen nothing that Nagy has done in the past 9 games that should get him fired. Especially considering that Fields was the quarterback he targeted.
The 3-6 record isn't exactly a strong piece of evidence.


Starting Fields was essentially saying that you didn't care about wins. You can't have it both ways. The Bears would have more wins if Dalton was the starter.
The only game Dalton may have won that we lost would have been Cleveland but that was because Dalton was injured. Dalton wasn't winning any of the other games.


You probably need to get your television fixed. We're all still judging Fields on a curve. His inability to read a defense or get the ball out quickly has limited the effectiveness of the offense even though they have a great run game. The Buccaneers game is literally the only game I am not confident the Bears would have had a shot in.


I agree that Nagy's quarterback decisions have cost the Bears victories this season, but not in the way you state. Nagy's insistence upon giving Dalton the starting job and accompanying refusal to let Fields vie for the starting position is/was both antithetical to the ethos of competitive athletics and detrimental to Fields' development. If Fields had been practicing with the offensive starters from the beginning of training camp, his development would be significantly more advanced than it is today and the Bears would likely have one or two more wins.

More problematically, your wistfulness over a lost Dalton era is especially bizarre given the game plan Nagy used in the Cleveland game. If Nagy called the same plays for Dalton that he did for Fields, Dalton would have wound up in the intensive care unit and injured reserve. Your predictions of Dalton-fueled Bears glory both overestimate Dalton's ability and Nagy's commonsense.

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Somewhat stunningly, TM got a football post right for once.

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The kid recently learned how to call plays in a huddle. It's okay to acknowledge that he wasn't ready to start. It's okay to acknowledge that Nagy's "plan" was probably right. It's okay to acknowledge that Dalton wouldn't have had the same problems in Cleveland because he wasn't a green rookie.

I'm not sad about a Dalton era. The only thing that has mattered to me was the development of Fields. Not wanting him to be ruined because he was pushed out of the nest too soon. I understood like everyone else that winning games this season wasn't going to be a priority if he became the starter. Therefore I can't blame Nagy or Pace because of the Bears record.


Nagy had no plan for Fields, who has developed independently AND in spite of Nagy's incompetent coaching.

Nagy also had no plan to deal with two of the league's top pass rushers in the Cleveland game, a fact that would have guaranteed the brittle Dalton a trip to the Emergency Room rather than the End Zone.

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Somewhat stunningly, TM got a football post right for once.

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:lol: :lol: Not quite sure that is fair. FF is one of the better NFL posters here when he not talking about the Bears or Packers.

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Just heard Nagy's press conference from yesterday, he doesn't even remotely sound like a guy who is worried about his job. I'm fairly confident that he will return as long as Fields continues to get better.

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Just heard Nagy's press conference from yesterday, he doesn't even remotely sound like a guy who is worried about his job. I'm fairly confident that he will return as long as Fields continues to get better.

:lol: Not a chance in hell he's back next year.


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