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 Post subject: Re: Ravens at Bears
PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2021 10:55 am 
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This was the quintessential Nagy/Pace era loss.

Nothing from the offense for long periods, players not knowing where to line up, missing blocking assignments, odd play calls at critical moments, and poor roster construction biting them in the ass at critical moments..



So spot on.

Guys not lined up properly at the snap on that crucial 3rd and 12 play.


it's fine if their guys are better than ours... but so many of these mistakes were mental or coaching. and it's happened a lot this season... despite their army of failed ex. coordinators/coaches that are senior assistants


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2021 11:09 am 
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As Alex Brown points out frequently during the post game show, you have to start pointing the fingers at players for MANY of these mistakes. Coaches aren't telling Vildor to suck or not communicate with the nickel.

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 Post subject: Re: Ravens at Bears
PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2021 11:20 am 
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As Alex Brown points out frequently during the post game show, you have to start pointing the fingers at players for MANY of these mistakes. Coaches aren't telling Vildor to suck or not communicate with the nickel.


This problem is pervasive across the roster and has been apparent for multiple years. Is it the players that are the problem, then, the coaches, or both?

I'd say it's the last of these options.

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 Post subject: Re: Ravens at Bears
PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2021 11:36 am 
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As Alex Brown points out frequently during the post game show, you have to start pointing the fingers at players for MANY of these mistakes. Coaches aren't telling Vildor to suck or not communicate with the nickel.
On the long pass to Watkins late in the game, Brown was all over the Bears DE for not keeping the QB in the pocket. Quinn is the guy to make the play there, and he did his job. All the Bears had to do was keep Huntley in the pocket and not let him buy time during that final drive. That's not coaching, that's lack of execution.

Also on the Football Aftershow, Kruetz was all over that 2pt conversion play called. Kaplan said him and Briggs knew the play right away; Kmet to pick, and they were throwing to Mooney.
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 Post subject: Re: Ravens at Bears
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the 4th and 1 wildcat was a brilliant coaching sequence


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 Post subject: Re: Ravens at Bears
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Frank Coztansa wrote:
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As Alex Brown points out frequently during the post game show, you have to start pointing the fingers at players for MANY of these mistakes. Coaches aren't telling Vildor to suck or not communicate with the nickel.
On the long pass to Watkins late in the game, Brown was all over the Bears DE for not keeping the QB in the pocket. Quinn is the guy to make the play there, and he did his job. All the Bears had to do was keep Huntley in the pocket and not let him buy time during that final drive. That's not coaching, that's lack of execution.

Also on the Football Aftershow, Kruetz was all over that 2pt conversion play called. Kaplan said him and Briggs new the play right away; Kmet to pick, and they were throwing to Mooney.
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If I can see it, I know the defense can see it. Everybody knew they [The Bears] we're going to Mooney. And guess what? The Ravens defended it.


I heard that too. That's 100% coaching because Mooney isn't close to being good enough to call his number and dare the other team to stop him.

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the 4th and 1 wildcat was a brilliant coaching sequence


Yeah, unless there was a mistake in lining up, I really don't see the point of the wildcat with an empty backfield. Everyone in the world knows he's not throwing, so there is nothing whatsoever for the defense to figure out.

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the 4th and 1 wildcat was a brilliant coaching sequence


Yeah, unless there was a mistake in lining up, I really don't see the point of the wildcat with an empty backfield. Everyone in the world knows he's not throwing, so there is nothing whatsoever for the defense to figure out.


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 Post subject: Re: Ravens at Bears
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Was Jimmy Graham even on the field for that 2pt attempt? If not, another terrible coaching decision in the span of about 30 seconds has they had to use a timeout as well.

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the 4th and 1 wildcat was a brilliant coaching sequence


Yeah, unless there was a mistake in lining up, I really don't see the point of the wildcat with an empty backfield. Everyone in the world knows he's not throwing, so there is nothing whatsoever for the defense to figure out.


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 Post subject: Re: Ravens at Bears
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billypootons wrote:
the 4th and 1 wildcat was a brilliant coaching sequence


I hated the call, but the failure of the play was 100% on Montgomery. He easily gets a first down if he goes left instead of straight ahead into 4 waiting defenders. No doubt in my mind Herbert would have gotta the first down.

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Nas wrote:
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the 4th and 1 wildcat was a brilliant coaching sequence


I hated the call, but the failure of the play was 100% on Montgomery. He easily gets a first down if he goes left instead of straight ahead into 4 waiting defenders. No doubt in my mind Herbert would have gotta the first down.


Yep.

Blame the player for that one.

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 Post subject: Re: Ravens at Bears
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Was Jimmy Graham even on the field for that 2pt attempt? If not, another terrible coaching decision in the span of about 30 seconds has they had to use a timeout as well.


The whole Jimmy Graham Bears experience has been incredibly odd because it seems they only feel comfortable using him for a handful of plays each quarter. Dalton comes in, hit Graham for a decent gain, Graham actually seems to try and care, you think where has this guy been for the past few seasons. Then nothing the rest of the game. Why in the world would they pay him all that money and never use him? One of the many wrongheaded roster decisions that only Pace/Nagy would make. Then again, if you got anything out of your two second round TE draft picks you wouldn't have had to throw bad paper at an aging vet that nobody was offering half what you ended up paying him. Starting to wonder if the rest of the league has been advising George to keep Pace/Nagy because the rest of the teams know George is inept and want to keep Pace in place so they can continue to fleece the Bears for draft picks.

As I said before George McKaskey owns this years failure because nobody outside of Halas Hall would have brought the dynamic duo back besides George/Ted. I'm sure Virginia loves seeing the "fire Nagy" chants spreading to Bulls games, another national embarrassment for the franchise. Maybe she will take all the lost revenue due to no shows out of his paycheck.


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