Is Andy Dalton THE solution?

I think (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is going to get another shot at being a starter before he is done.

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Did I say anything about Dalton?

You seem to want to absolve (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky of all blame for the Bears failures over the last 2-3 seasons. Is that the case?

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I mentioned Dalton because he is currently an NFL starter and your point was that (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky wasn't THE solution because he wasn't starting this year.

I think (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky was unfairly scapegoated as the reason the Nagy era has been disappointing when in fact he seems to be the only reason it hasn't been a disaster. Look no further than vegan taking away any credit for (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky for the 2018 season for a good example.

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That doesn't answer the question. Does (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky get any blame at all for the Bears failures over the last 3 seasons?

Clearly the Bears do not think Dalton is THE long term solution since they only signed him to a one year deal. Nobody thought (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky was THE solution as nobody signed him to be a starting QB, and he too only signed a one year deal.

Back to my original point, its not an either or situation. Outside of a few games in 2018, Nagy has not been good in Chicago. (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky was also not good enough here and that is why he is now a backup elsewhere.

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Bears: 22-23 best passing team in 2018
Bears: 3rd best team in league in terms of yards given up, 1st overall in points scored against

Rick: Hmm, (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky was the key driver of that team's success.

Everyone else:

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He has his share, especially his third year where he did regress.

Nagy takes a large share of the blame, and the fact that he has failed far worse with 3 other quarterbacks, or at least 2 if you think Fields being a rookie gives him a pass. Nagy is the problem and always was. (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky overcame a lot of that to have a pretty good overall record.

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So it took you three hours and however many posts to basically say, "You're right, Frank."

Good work.

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What did you use for "best passing team". Don't tell me it was total yards. The Bears overall offense was pretty good that year. 9th in points scored.

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I never said he was free of blame. What a strange post.

I was making an argument that Nagy gets most of the blame and (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky was unfairly scapegoated when he has been far and away better than any of the other quarterbacks we've had under Nagy.

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A true ringing endorsement of Mitchell (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is to say that he was better than Nick Foles, Chase Daniel, and eight starts of rookie Fields.

Seems like you now realize (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky was never THE solution.

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Zero doubt about that at this point

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Dalton is a solid pro. Foles was considered a quality option until he failed. Fields has struggled too but he's a rookie so you can often throw those results away.

Eventually, you get a picture of what the Bears have been with (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky and without him and you see they were FAR SUPERIOR with him.

He won like 62% of the time with a coach that is about to be fired.

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And he won 0% of the time when it matter most in January.

I think most real Bears fans are smart enough to know that Nagy sucks and (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky never developed into a franchise guy. Part of that is Nagy, part of that is ol' Mitch himself.

The scapegoating is just another example of how incompetent Bears management/onwernship is.

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But it's completely fair and accurate to say Nagy was a bigger problem than Mitch. Out of the two, Nagy was worse at his job.

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Sure, but that is not what Rick initially said. He said (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky was "not the problem," which is absolutely not the case.

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That's interesting. Nagy was the problem for as much as any one individual is the problem on a football team.

You seemed to take it that I said that Nagy was the ONLY problem.

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You said it my man.



I'll ask again, if (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky was merely a scapegoat and he is such a good quarterback, why isn't he starting now? Every team in the league had a chance to sign him and passed. Mitch himself went into 2020 knowing his 5 year option wasn't picked up and lost his job to Nick Foles.

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As I said, you took it as me saying that Nagy was the ONLY problem. I get it now. As in, Nagy was 100% the reason the Bears didn't do well and everyone else in the entire organization was at 0%.

It was a simple miscommunication.

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My first reply to you literally says everybody in the organization is at fault.

I took your dumb comment at face value, Rick. You said (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky "was not the problem." You're wrong. Just own it and move on.

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Are you this desperate?

I am telling you exactly what I meant by saying that "Nagy was the problem" and that it didn't mean that he was the only problem. The #1 clue that I didn't mean he was the ONLY problem is that I didn't use the word ONLY.

If we are assigning blame, Nagy gets a large majority of the blame and that makes him the problem.

For a guy who often complains about me arguing semantics you seem to be doing a good job arguing semantics even in the face of my clarification.

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There are no semantics, Rick. I have been replying to your exact words the whole time, even though you haven't done the same with me. (I.E. bringing up Dalton).

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It's really simple. There are two options here. You are free to believe what you want.

1) I believe that Nagy is 100% to blame for what has happened with the Bears the past 4 years. No one else, including (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky, has any blame. This is what I meant that "Nagy is the problem".
2) I believe that Nagy is mostly responsible for what has happened with the Bears the past 4 years. Others, including (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky, share some blame. This is what I meant that "Nagy is the problem".

I'll go with 2. You can stick with 1.

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Apparently it is not so simple for you.


Let's go back to the beginning...for the third time now. Here is your post;

Now, here is my initial reply;

So, if you are going to go with #2 above, "Nagy is most responsible and others including Mitch share blame," then it appears that you agree with my initial post 100%!

Unreal.

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I do. Now you seem to understand it.

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Just to keep this clear for BRick...
Percentage of Blame for the Bears suckage:

Ryan Pace: 50%
Matt Nagy: 30%
Mitchell (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky: 15%
Khalil Mack: 5%

The Buck stops with Ryan Pace. He drafted (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky. He hired Nagy. He extended Nagy. He's responsible for the Khalil Contract. He wasted money and cap space on Mike Glennon. He wasted money and cap space on Nick Foles. He's completely disregarded the value of draft picks.

(Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky proved to not be an NFL starter. It's not his fault his general manager completely whiffed on the pick. Same with Khalil Mack. It's not his fault he was overpaid, but at the same time....he's been a thief.

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The defense is the only reason the Nagy era hasn't been disastrous (prior to this season).

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I do think people do underestimate how good (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky was in 2018. It was the best qb performance the Bears have had since Kramer in 1995 unless you count the 8 game stretch of Josh Lefty Guns in 2013 even though he only started 5 games.

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(Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky was good in 2018 up until the Bears played the Rams. He was decidedly mediocre at best after that game.

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